[DPR Mafia] Vampire Hunter 6 - Blind Thread

[ConQuest]

So you say you can't kill? What is you good for then?

[Sedai]

Myself or any werewolf can not be recruited. So the vampires if they go for myself or another werewolf if there is one they waste a night action. Like I said John, the CL role is more like a recruiting mason group. Werewolves win with the town. I'm directing an investigative role at myself because I know it's the only way to clear myself. You make it seem like I am doing something scummy. I think clearing a role that can keep the vampires in a constant wifom each night over who to recruit is a very pro town option. If I didn't lay myself out there after min had viewed me then there would be no way to not get lynched. DPR said everyone is vanilla until they purchase a role so saying I'd be able to give a false read on a LD test is saying DPR hasn't been fair with his role purchases. John why don't you want a lie detector to view me?

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm having a really hard time with this. I think I know DPR reasonably well and I don't see him calling a recruiting mason a cult leader. He would have, I believe, used the mafiascum term for the role. Didn't he come out and say that all the roles could be found there? I'll go back and get a quote.

[John McClane]

Myself or any werewolf can not be recruited. So the vampires if they go for myself or another werewolf if there is one they waste a night action. Like I said John, the CL role is more like a recruiting mason group. Werewolves win with the town. I'm directing an investigative role at myself because I know it's the only way to clear myself. You make it seem like I am doing something scummy. I think clearing a role that can keep the vampires in a constant wifom each night over who to recruit is a very pro town option. If I didn't lay myself out there after min had viewed me then there would be no way to not get lynched. DPR said everyone is vanilla until they purchase a role so saying I'd be able to give a false read on a LD test is saying DPR hasn't been fair with his role purchases. John why don't you want a lie detector to view me?

 

I'm not making it seem like anything Jack... you are demanding an inordinate amount of attention right now. If town, its a selfish play. If not town, then you are helping the vampires by drawing attention away from them and onto you. Now, because I ask questions any townie should ask, and you don't have the capacity to understand how this all looks to others that don't know your alignment --- you want to insinuate that I have an agenda? When you start telling people to trust you, directing roles, and hatching plans... it looks scummy to everyone that doesn't know your actual alignment. That is basic mafia my friend, and no matter how much of an attention whore you want to be... it won't change it.

 

I am skeptical about a LD viewing you because of how bad you want it to happen. You are pushing way hard for this... which rings of desperation. I'm also wondering if the way you recruit other werewolves is by them targeting you...

 

Also, we don't know what abilities came along with the Cult Leader role - it is possible it allows you to be able influence results, if its not an town aligned role. These are all questions anyone who is town should be asking themselves...

 

What are your potential motivators if you are town? If you are not town? What is the value proposition of keeping you alive? How informative could it be to kill you? I don't want these answers from you though... I want to hear OTHER players insight on these questions, see how they look at the situation. You need to stop hamming it up and let a dialogue develop around what you have proposed so we can see how other players maneuver around it... at least that is what you should do now, if you are pro-town.

[John McClane]

I'm having a really hard time with this. I think I know DPR reasonably well and I don't see him calling a recruiting mason a cult leader. He would have, I believe, used the mafiascum term for the role. Didn't he come out and say that all the roles could be found there? I'll go back and get a quote.

 

He 100% said all roles are as defined on teh wiki....

 

The Cult Leader is the head of a cult. The player with this role chooses a player to recruit into the cult each night, making them a cultist.

 

Retrieved from "http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Cult_Leader"

Categories: Roles | Third-party roles | Manipulative roles

 

According to the role bible... its a 3rd party role, as long as DPR is true to his word about the setup. I trust DPR to not lie as the mod, way more than I trust Jack, tbh.

[LilyElizabeth]

I can't formally quote it because the thread is locked, but these are DPR's exact words:

 

"All roles will be defined according to the MafiaScum definitions found here: http://mafiascum.net...=Category:Roles "

 

DPR does not mislead as a mod. He withholds, but he does not mislead. If he said he was using those definitions, he was using those definitions. You're lying, Jack.

[Sedai]

Well what do you think of the lie detector?

[LilyElizabeth]

You mean the lie about the lie detector? Jack, you're a liar, and once someone has lied to me, I don't trust them. Are you actually expecting us to believe that DPR is the liar here?

 

I've said my piece. I'm done with this, except for a vote when we get back to the main thread.

[Sedai]

There is no role on the vp purchase list that would allow a person to lie to a lie detector, so by your own argument then a lie detector test should clear me, since as a mod DPR does not mislead. I'm asking for a chance even if you all are still skeptical after a lie detector viewing, just give me that chance. It'll alleviate some doubt, understandably not all doubt, but some.

 

I can't formally quote it because the thread is locked, but these are DPR's exact words:

 

"All roles will be defined according to the MafiaScum definitions found here: http://mafiascum.net...=Category:Roles "

 

DPR does not mislead as a mod. He withholds, but he does not mislead. If he said he was using those definitions, he was using those definitions. You're lying, Jack.

[LilyElizabeth]

Oh, one more thing. I can get heated, and am known to be a bit like a bulldog when I've got something in my teeth, but it is all within the context of the game. Nothing personal here.

[Sedai]

Understandable Lily, I'm not insinuating DPR is a liar. I said my win condition and everything else. I'll post them wherever and all in one post so anyone with a LD role will know I'm telling the truth. I really can't do any more then that.

 

You mean you trust people in mafia in the first place :p just saying

[John McClane]

Understandable Lily, I'm not insinuating DPR is a liar. I said my win condition and everything else. I'll post them wherever and all in one post so anyone with a LD role will know I'm telling the truth. I really can't do any more then that.

 

You mean you trust people in mafia in the first place :p just saying

 

Because I've seen the lengths you go to to "make plays" you'll understand that I won't trust your alignment until DPR gives it to us in a death scene. Your game so far has been rife with contradiction and agenda-driven appeals for us to follow your lead.

[LilyElizabeth]

Well, I trust those who were vetted in the fast game (for now) and I pretty much trust my teammates (also for now.) heh

[Sedai]

How has my game been filled with contradictions? I explore paths of thought. If they lead to a dead end I'll say so. I've been driving straight this whole time.

 

What's your oppinion on the original vamps being the only vamps to recruit?

 

If you think about it. An untenable group that wins with the town would be the only way DPR could counter any vamps being able to recruit. Because if there isn't a way to stop a recruit from the vamps then even of we kill one every hour they will just recruit someone to fill their numbers until they have majority. You all trust DPR o run a balanced set up, think about it.

[Sedai]

Untenable is supposed to be unturnable

[Sedai]

I never trust anyone because of ambition. Also the players cleared in the quick game I donttrust them all. I figure at least one has been turned because the vamps had a chance to recruit after that game.

[LilyElizabeth]

I was answering humor with humor. Of course I don't fully trust everyone. I trust proven liars less than others, though.

[LilyElizabeth]

Make that anyone not everyone.

[Sedai]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Cult

 

It says there are protown versions of the cult. On this page of the wiki, so cult doesn't necessarily intone that the leader or any cultist is third party. DPR said he used the definition directly of the wiki so what do you think about there being a town cult? Will you consider it as an option?

[Sedai]

I was answering humor with humor. Of course I don't fully trust everyone. I trust proven liars less than others, though.

 

Show me one player that's never been a proven liar in a mafia game all through their career :p

[Christine]

Next fast game, I want to be tested first. Gah!

 

That being said. Jack. My vote will be on you.

[Sedai]

So DPR in his list of roles allows for a townie cult, but not a way to get around a lie detector. I'm just asking for a shot to be proven.

[John McClane]

I'm done responding to you regarding this discussion... your propensity for attention whoring and debating without logic, with a short memory of your own statements and a lack of awareness of how things look from the other person's point of view make any further dialogue moot.

 

I have considered your proposal to get yourself vetted by a lie detector, and I don't care if someone LD's you... the outcome will be just as subject to scrutiny as this entire song and dance you've been putting on. You have sewn the seeds of distrust through your own actions.

[John McClane]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Cult

 

It says there are protown versions of the cult. On this page of the wiki, so cult doesn't necessarily intone that the leader or any cultist is third party. DPR said he used the definition directly of the wiki so what do you think about there being a town cult? Will you consider it as an option?

 

 

In some variations, if the Cult Leader dies, the role is passed to the oldest living recruited player. In other variations, if the Cult Leader dies then the Cult can no longer recruit. Also, there are some variations that have a backup Cult Leader that takes charge when the Cult Leader dies.

 

What if we kill you, do you have a deputy CL?

[Sedai]

How John? You saying I've done something doesn't make it so because you say it is. I've said all I can and given evidence of the possibility of a townie cult, and also shown the fact that no one can lie to a lie detector based on the given roles DPR has given is to purchase. I've said everything I can about people's suspicions and your saying I'm suspicious for pointing out flaws in the reasons people are suspicious of me, I mean can't I defend myself or do you want me to lay down and just except the will of John and everyone else without fighting for a chance to survive.

 

I can't really say anything to Christine because she hasn't given a single reason why she is voting me only that she is. You can't defend against that.