Russian Devil Hotel - Game Thread (ON)

[Toy and Minion]

The two scumtells was a joke on Mynds two posts before. Afraid it wasn't anything sinister.

[aemonkristen]

I just. wanted to throw in that the Krak Hammer caught my attention too during my reread enough that I checked the time stamps. The final 2 votes were cast at virtually the same time so I decided to file it as a null tell in my notes. Now if they are both mafia...

[Sir Redust]

If we were both mafia, I'd say we had poor communication skills.

[aemonkristen]

I wasnt being serious about that part, but thanks for reacting. It says quite a bit.

[Kivam]

11) Wombat's explanation:

 

He was overly helpful and he marginalized day one.

 

12) I vote Verbal for stealing my Snow joke

 

13) Dralid votes Lily

 

14) Toy says he's unsatisfied with Redust's reaction to his vote - not clear if this is a joke or serious

 

15) Mynd votes for me for voting for Verb - he smells gambit

 

16) Aemon votes for Mynd for starting a bandwagon on me

 

17) I'll let Toy's post speak for itself:

 

I found this intersting.

 

First off, Kivam was on the first "bandwagon" as you'd call it.

 

Second, since when is 2 votes a bandwagon?

 

And thirdly, why do you even need a reason to vote Mynd?

 

This probably started me getting concerned about Toy, since he was mildly defending Mynd. Since Mynd turned out to be a townie, at least on Day 1 . . . that's less concerning now.

 

18) Aemon's jokey response

 

19) Lots of back and forth about Aemon, followed by:

 

20) A huge defensive overreaction by Song:

 

So what you are saying Mynd is that those that don't automatically vote for aemon because you tell us to are the scummiest in your book if he flips mafia? Why all this rush towards a lynch? It's not like there's a deadline and we have to rush to consolidate votes. We can take our time on this lynch and you basically speaking for all of us when you say that Aemon is going to be our first lynch is ridiculous. You aren't the leader of the pack m'dear and I have a brain of my own, and you can't lead me to make conclusions on a lynch on page 2 when there's no deadline. I'm not saying Aemon isn't suspicious, but I refuse to be led anywhere. UNVOTE

 

 

Note - this makes me more suspicious of Aemon, given we now know Song was scum.

[Kivam]

testing

[Kivam]

Something's wrong - it's not letting me post the next batch of 10

 

21) Wombat points out Song's overreaction

 

22) Alanna defends Song:

 

Song eats brains? When did THIS happen?

I totally missed that post of Song's anyways... Hmm. She always overreacts.

 

And Yay for activity, I wonder if we can keep it up

 

Part of what made me suspicious of Alanna day 1.

 

23) Song and Alanna discuss whether it was an overreaction. Note that Alanna is now contradicting Song.

 

24) Krak agrees with Wombat

 

25) I vote Song for her atrocious grammar

 

26) Alanna says that the game makes her happy, and Dralid votes her for it

 

27) Mynd kickstarts the "Aemon was too jokey" bandwagon - distracts from the Song bandwagon

 

28) Wombat agrees with Mynd

 

29) Lily - confirmed Townie - defends Aemon - if Lily wasn't dead and a known townie, this would worry me. As it stands, its a null tell.

 

30) Wombat defends his vote as "encouragement"

[Kivam]

Gah - it deleted all my links

[Kivam]

OK, since the board is acting screwy, I'll stop here for tonight

[Sir Redust]

I wasnt being serious about that part, but thanks for reacting. It says quite a bit.

 

I'm sure.

[Sir Redust]

*sigh* You think people would read what you type. Or maybe you just don't believe me?

 

Unfortunatly, it's a situation that might land me the gallows, so I do in fact frown upon those unwilling to get their hands dirty in this and perhaps agree with me?

 

What? No chance of that? Afraid of Kivam?

I'm sorry, was this directed at me? I've never played with you, you shouldn't make any judgments like that.

 

I thought that mafia was making judgements.

 

Whenever you decide to get in on this, just let me know.

[Verbal32]

Redust, I think the reason that folks aren't wanting to expound upon Mynd's ideas for a lynch is because he got his info from mafia. Would you trust that? That Mynd does worries me on multiple levels - is he just losing his touch and falling for that, or is there something more behind it? The first actually worries me the most, as I kind of expect the second. Meh.

 

As for voting today, I'm not really sure. I want to settle this issue with Mynd/myself/Kivam, but I don't see that happening without an ill-informed lynch.

 

I'm going to re-read later before casting a vote.

[Sir Redust]

Heck, I'll give you all my info right now, even though it's even less useful than Kivam and Verbals.

 

I had a one-shot Finder ability that I used on Lily. I got the result that she was Town. That could have at least been something, but DPR slipped and posted her alignment. So that doesn't help me much at all. Oh yeah, and I don't have a Ghost Role.

 

Why did you target Lily? And when? Night 1 or Night 2?

 

Because you defended her quite strongly. I see now I should have probably viewed you, but thats spilled milk. And it was Night 1. Was also banking on having a Ghost role but no luck.

[Kivam]

Heck, I'll give you all my info right now, even though it's even less useful than Kivam and Verbals.

 

I had a one-shot Finder ability that I used on Lily. I got the result that she was Town. That could have at least been something, but DPR slipped and posted her alignment. So that doesn't help me much at all. Oh yeah, and I don't have a Ghost Role.

 

Why did you target Lily? And when? Night 1 or Night 2?

 

Because you defended her quite strongly. I see now I should have probably viewed you, but thats spilled milk. And it was Night 1. Was also banking on having a Ghost role but no luck.

 

 

That's a good answer, on all counts.

[aemonkristen]

I had good reason to question AemonKitten's claim. It wasn't until AlannaLynn's claim that his claim made more sense to me.

 

I was doing a quick reread to try and find out why I had Redust less suspicious than others and a couple of things popped out at me. This post from Mynd makes me wonder if perhaps he has contact with another player who also had a 1-shot finder role and for that reason he was skeptical of the claim until another healer role popped up.

 

As far as Redust is concerned, this was really the only post, aside from insisting that Mynd reveal something, that sparked my interest:

 

Going by my gut, Mynd seems the most likely to be scummy at this point. You seem to be overdefensive of Alanna. I would think Sibblings, and if that's so, then perhaps being one vote away from lynhced will wet your tongue.

 

I can understand putting someone at L-1 for pressure, but throwing out a sibling guess ND then putting someone at L-1 is seems like a bad idea as the mafia might take a chance to get a two-fer and try to get out of the hammer spotlight as best the could.

 

@Kivam- I know full well how bad Song's overreaction to Mynd's poking of me looks, but there's nothing I can do to change that except keep scum hunting.

[aemonkristen]

Forgot to mention that Redust should have noted that if Mynd and Alanna were siblings then he would have already known her role and therefor not been so suspicious of my reveal. See the quotes above for clarification on that point.

[Krakalakachkn]

NO AUST! I felt a knife in the night.

 

Also, in reference to my response to the Hybrid post, well, what I said made sense to me at the time, now it's irrelevant methinks. And please, I've played mafia more than enough times to know that if I'm mafia, not to draw attention to myself with weird playing.

[Kivam]

Back to the recap:

 

31) Aemon (rather sensibly) replies to the "too jokey" accusation

 

And yet should I respond to his poking at me for a joke vote you would then vote me for being to defensive. It's a lose/lose situation. I'd rather just have fun poking back at Mynd with humor. Or are you saying that his accusations have some basis in reality?

 

32) Wombat responds:

 

Mynd wasn't the first one to jump on your vote for him. Toy seemed to think it was odd too. Your nonchalance seems forced and therefore scummy. Combine that with you and Song trying to steer attention away from you and onto Mynd and we have a situation that bears watching.

 

33) Aemon replies - note: if Wombat and Aemon are teammates, this back and forth is an EXTREMELY good put-on. If either flips scum, I'd be more inclined to consider the other innocent (obviously, an innocent result tells us nothing about the other)

 

34) Song overdefends Aemon again:

 

So basically what you are saying Wombat, is that if I don't automatically jump on the wagon with you three, or if I question it, then I'm trying to distract away from aemon? That's interesting.

 

 

35) Aemon tells her she's overreacting - null tell. Could be a teammate saying "shut up, you're killing us", but a teammate could say that off-thread more easily.

 

36) Mynd starts going full bore after Aemon

 

37) Aemon responds

 

38) Toy suggests Mynd-Aemon might be a gambit (this would be a good play for scum, as it implies that both Mynd and Aemon are scum)

 

39) I suggest it's time to start consolidating and Song is the best candidate I have

 

40) This post from Song deserves a full quote:

 

I was not overreacting. I think Mynd was overreacting to what Aemon said. Also Mynd was tryong to take control of the lynch, and that stinks. Aemon is going to be the first lynch? Is mynd psychic? Or does he have his own qt where he can communicate with other people to secure the lynch? hmmm...

 

Also, Mynd, if I was scum with aemon I definitely would not be defending him. That's like the number one rule of being mafia. I'm smarter than that.

[Kivam]

41) The start of a massive move to Aemon. The fact that Song was the other lynch candidate at this point makes all these votes suspicious to me - especially the ones with minimal justification. Like this one

 

unvote

vote Aemon

 

Time to roll the dice

 

42) And this one from Verbal (VERBAL: why were you buying into an "Aemon or Mynd" mentality here?)

 

43) Lily's willing to vote Aemon, but wants more time

 

44) Aust's post is worth quoting (I'll bold the part I find most relevant):

 

I agree that we need to start consolidating. For now -

 

 

vote Aemon

 

Regarding Song - I don't think she sees what Mynd did as a lure - I think she's taking what Mynd said at face value.... or it could just be that she's being obstinate.

 

Song, if you could respond to this - did you truly believe that Mynd was serious in the post that you famosly 'overreacted' to?

 

He's throwing Song a lifeline, here. Lets see if she picks it up.

 

45) And Alanna's vote that set me off for its subtle defense of Song and preemptive "if Aemon's town don't blame me" subtext:

 

Okay. Trying to jump back in with a clear head. I'm uber tempted to vote Song for her reactions, but I don't think she realizes how her play can be construed as defensive, but I think Aemon is rather suspicious by what I've seen and how he's reacted despite being wary of y'all leading me around in circles and pushing me to vote where you like. Ugh you manipulative freaks! But, in favor of consolidation and not trying to split the votes, I'll go ahead and vote Aemon, who's apparently a kitteh. And I apologize again for holiday intervention, I can only get online at night whilst I'm here in the South.

 

46) I jump on Alanna's post

 

47) I really like this post from Toy, btw:

 

I understand wanting to get Day 1 over this year, so to speak, but we don't have a deadline, so the jump on Aemon is very suspicious, though unfortunately very townlike. Alanna's reasoning is by far the most suspect, however.

 

Learned my lesson in the Avatar game. Let's not just lynch someone, eh? Let's take the time to get a scum.

 

Still awaiting Redusts return before I possibly change it (quiet little bugger). Though Alanna is now most suspect. Which makes me look harder at Mynd now (sorry, Mynd, nature of playing mafia with you ). Having a feeling of being lead to look left while they go right.

 

Strangely, I'll be more active today. But that's rather irrelevant because I don't see there being much activity for the next few days.

 

 

Correctly points out that the wagon with Aemon is suspicious, agrees with me on Alanna. Defending Aemon, which started me being a bit suspicious of Toy. Still focused on Redust, which also has my antannae up (yes, I have them. deal with it)

 

48) Song claims Toy's just saying what she'd said all along - note, she hasn't yet picked up Aust's lifeline. If she doesn't, it's less likely to be team play.

 

49) I reply to Song:

 

Song, when you said it there was all of one vote on Aemon and Mynd was baiting. Your hyper-defense of Aemon is actually the only viable reason to vote for him IMO

 

50) Song's response:

 

I wasn't defending aemon though, I was attacking mynd. Two different things. If it would've been anyone in aemons shoes and mynd would've done the same thing I would've done the same thing.

 

 

Starting to get a picture of interrelationships here. Assuming any of the listed "triggers" are scum (just three for now, but I'll build more in as we go on):

 

1) Wombat is scum ----> Aemon likely town

 

2) Aemon is scum -----> Wombat likely town, Toy likely scum

 

3) Toy is scum ------> Redust likely scum, Aemon suspicious

 

Also, I'm highly suspicious of Krak's and Verbal's votes, given the danger Song was in. Krak slightly more than Verbal, but then Verbal had his "Mynd or Aemon" post, which pushes him up the list for me too.

[Kivam]

Edit to add another deduction/inference/issue:

 

 

Starting to get a picture of interrelationships here. Assuming any of the listed "triggers" are scum (just three for now, but I'll build more in as we go on):

 

1) Wombat is scum ----> Aemon likely town

 

2) Aemon is scum -----> Wombat likely town, Toy likely scum

 

3) Toy is scum ------> Redust likely scum, Aemon suspicious

 

Also, I'm highly suspicious of Krak's and Verbal's votes, given the danger Song was in. Krak slightly more than Verbal, but then Verbal had his "Mynd or Aemon" post, which pushes him up the list for me too.

 

Also, Aust's and Alanna's interactions with Song are cause for concern.

[Kivam]

Edit to add another deduction/inference/issue:

 

 

Starting to get a picture of interrelationships here. Assuming any of the listed "triggers" are scum (just three for now, but I'll build more in as we go on):

 

1) Wombat is scum ----> Aemon likely town

 

2) Aemon is scum -----> Wombat likely town, Toy likely scum

 

3) Toy is scum ------> Redust likely scum, Aemon suspicious

 

Also, I'm highly suspicious of Krak's and Verbal's votes, given the danger Song was in. Krak slightly more than Verbal, but then Verbal had his "Mynd or Aemon" post, which pushes him up the list for me too.

 

Also, Aust's and Alanna's interactions with Song are cause for concern.

[Kivam]

51) Mynd completely misunderstands Song's post as saying what he should have done, defends Alanna, and argues that there's nothing wrong with leading a lynch on someone you think is scum. (Note - I agree with that last point)

 

52) Lily defends Alanna's post as "perfectly normal for her as town" - given that Lily came up town, I think we have to take that as true (that Lily has seen Alanna post that way as town), which makes Alanna's post less suspicious

 

53) Alanna responds

 

54) Mynd defends Alanna again

 

55) Lily agrees with Mynd

 

56) So do krak and Toy (who unvotes Redust)

 

57) Hybrid's analysis post 1 and 2 and 3 - lots of good stuff here, which we can trust as coming from a townie:

 

a) no problems with Aemon's scrambled eggs response

b) Song's overreaction was scummy, she's spinning, pinging hard

c) finds Aemon's "discredit" reaction "forced"

d) no problem with Wombat's "pressure" vote, and agrees with Wombat's analysis of Aemon's actions

e) Aemon's response comes too late - he's more suspicious than Mynd

f) Verb's vote is a "minor ping" because Krak wasn't explicit about wanting to consolidate

g) Aust's vote is a minor ping, but the cleanest of the Aemon bandwagon

h) Agrees with everything I said about Alanna

i) Accuses Alanna of "spin" for calling Aemon's jokes "distraction attempts"

j) Lily reads as deflection from Aemon

 

 

Gotta stop for Shabbos - will pick up Saturday night.

 

UNVOTE, for now. At this point, I'm leaning towards voting Krak, but won't until I'm done with a full reread

[Sir Redust]

1) Wombat is scum ----> Aemon likely town

 

2) Aemon is scum -----> Wombat likely town, Toy likely scum

 

3) Toy is scum ------> Redust likely scum, Aemon suspicious

 

By deduction, wouldn't aemon be the safest bet then? He's the only one on all three lists, and might paint the clearest picture if you're right.

 

I love how me and Toy are likely scum together for...what, exactly?

 

And yet you unvote me. Are you trying to lynch scum, or are you trying to confuse under the guise of being helpful? I'm more and more certain of Mynds info by the second.

 

1. You defended Lily, exceedingly. Lily was innocent, but how would any of us really know that?

 

2. You and Verbal claim to have viewed the exact same player with the exact same result. I don't believe in coincedence like that.

 

3. You're a shoe in for me or Krak, it seems, yet even with your own logic connecting me and Toy as likely scummates, you unvote me.

 

4. Song did vote you and as you say yourself, could have been a distancing move. I see you throwing it out there as a kind of reverse pshychological move. You gave us this one, why would scum do it?

 

My most likely suspects are Kivam, Verbal, and Krak at this point.

[Sir Redust]

Kivam

 

Forgot The Red.

[Sir Redust]

Gooodnight.