DragonCon Prologue Reading Reports & iPhone free sample

[Kaznen]

In the full prologue does Lan let the young warrior from his past stay? I only read the free part and it ended before the scene.

[Terez]

Yes.

[Kaznen]

Yes.

Thanks. I could see the youth giving a lecture to Lan.

[Charlz Guybon]

Thanks Terez. Also, I was wondering if you would mind copying and pasting your write up and reposting it here from theoryland? Just so it is here in this thread as well for quick reference and in case people don't have accounts on both sites. Thanks.

 

 

 

2. Galad and his men are lost in a swamp. As they come out of the swamp, they run into Asunawa, who has 10,000 fresh troops to Galad's 7000 exhausted ones. The scene ends with Galad taken for questioning by Asunawa and being beaten until he passes out, but Asunawa agreed to his terms. Looking like Byar and Bornhald will probably ally with Perrin to get Galad out of this trap. Also, Galad has plans to go to Andor.

 

How did Asunawa get his hands on 10,000 men? The Seanchan weren't exactly trusting of him the last that we saw.

[Demiandre]

And how did he do it in so few a time? He went away from Valda's death location, and when he meet up with Galad again he has 10.000 troops??

 

I'm sure it is Demandred who provided him! :D

[Luckers]

Thanks Terez. Also, I was wondering if you would mind copying and pasting your write up and reposting it here from theoryland? Just so it is here in this thread as well for quick reference and in case people don't have accounts on both sites. Thanks.

 

 

 

2. Galad and his men are lost in a swamp. As they come out of the swamp, they run into Asunawa, who has 10,000 fresh troops to Galad's 7000 exhausted ones. The scene ends with Galad taken for questioning by Asunawa and being beaten until he passes out, but Asunawa agreed to his terms. Looking like Byar and Bornhald will probably ally with Perrin to get Galad out of this trap. Also, Galad has plans to go to Andor.

 

How did Asunawa get his hands on 10,000 men? The Seanchan weren't exactly trusting of him the last that we saw.

 

From KoD we know a few thousand remained with Asunawa--and it's possible he freed those who were made da'covale after the fall of the Fortress of Light. It could reach 10,000.

 

Alternatively he could have swayed their trust and convinced them to let him retake the deserters as proof. The ten thousand would then include Seanchan soldiers there to see he do as instructed. (and to assist him too, I suppose).

[Terez]

I think it was made clear in the scene that all present were Whitecloaks. Also, I got the impression that the swamp was evidence of the Pattern falling apart. There was mention of certain rivers and such not being on their maps. And finally, at least one of Galad's scouts was working for Asunawa.

[Charlz Guybon]

I think it was made clear in the scene that all present were Whitecloaks. Also, I got the impression that the swamp was evidence of the Pattern falling apart. There was mention of certain rivers and such not being on their maps. And finally, at least one of Galad's scouts was working for Asunawa.

All of them? Were there even 17,000 white cloaks before the Seanchan invasion?

 

I thought KOD made it clear that Asunawa only had like 2-3,000 loyal men. Even with the men who had made Da'covale I don't think that would have made 10,000.

[Terez]

I think it was made clear in the scene that all present were Whitecloaks. Also, I got the impression that the swamp was evidence of the Pattern falling apart. There was mention of certain rivers and such not being on their maps. And finally, at least one of Galad's scouts was working for Asunawa.

All of them? Were there even 17,000 white cloaks before the Seanchan invasion?

 

I thought KOD made it clear that Asunawa only had like 2-3,000 loyal men. Even with the men who had made Da'covale I don't think that would have made 10,000.

 

Do you have a quote for that? I don't believe their numbers were mentioned at all until we heard of the seven thousand with Galad from Tylee's scouts.

 

Also, I believe the 10,000 includes all of the Questioners. All of the Whitecloaks are soldiers, but you might say the Questioners are less so. Galad took them very seriously, though.

[Deadsy]

I think it was made clear in the scene that all present were Whitecloaks. Also, I got the impression that the swamp was evidence of the Pattern falling apart. There was mention of certain rivers and such not being on their maps. And finally, at least one of Galad's scouts was working for Asunawa.

All of them? Were there even 17,000 white cloaks before the Seanchan invasion?

 

I thought KOD made it clear that Asunawa only had like 2-3,000 loyal men. Even with the men who had made Da'covale I don't think that would have made 10,000.

 

Do you have a quote for that? I don't believe their numbers were mentioned at all until we heard of the seven thousand with Galad from Tylee's scouts.

 

Also, I believe the 10,000 includes all of the Questioners. All of the Whitecloaks are soldiers, but you might say the Questioners are less so. Galad took them very seriously, though.

 

I also had 3,000 and 10,000 in my head, so I think the numbers were listed at some point. In KoD probably. One possibility is that Asunawa took 3,000 with him to meet the other Lords Captain, who already had 7,000.

[Terez]

If someone has a quote for that, it would be great. I looked through the prologue of KoD and didn't see it anywhere. I searched the word 'thousand' and came up with nothing.

[a_lily_in_winter]

If someone has a quote for that, it would be great. I looked through the prologue of KoD and didn't see it anywhere. I searched the word 'thousand' and came up with nothing.

 

KoD p. 45 Hardback:

 

Galgan: '... and in two days we still haven't found those Whitecloaks ...'

 

...

 

Suroth: '... a few deserters are nothing.'

 

Galgan: 'I'd hardly call 7000 men a few deserters.'

 

Suroth (to herself): She still had not decided whether to make Asuwan and the few thousand who had remained da'covale.

 

I think the fact that the WC started with only 10,000 is mentioned in CoT, iirc.

[Terez]

You know, I have always been one of those people who thinks that 'few' refers to 'three', but I have been told recently that it is much less specific than I thought it was. But this should all become more clear on Tuesday when we have the text to work with.

[Luckers]

You know, I have always been one of those people who thinks that 'few' refers to 'three', but I have been told recently that it is much less specific than I thought it was. But this should all become more clear on Tuesday when we have the text to work with.

 

 

From sentence structure its definately less than Galad's seven thousand.

[Charlz Guybon]

You know, I have always been one of those people who thinks that 'few' refers to 'three', but I have been told recently that it is much less specific than I thought it was. But this should all become more clear on Tuesday when we have the text to work with.

I've always taken it to mean 3 or 4.

[a_lily_in_winter]

You know, I have always been one of those people who thinks that 'few' refers to 'three', but I have been told recently that it is much less specific than I thought it was. But this should all become more clear on Tuesday when we have the text to work with.

 

It is stated in two places that Galad had 7,000 troops. My guess is that they are rounding up, though. In CoT (p. 28 in HB) Valda thinks to himself: 'He (Valda), on the other hand, had over nine thousand of the Children gathered around him.' (In other words, he probably had between 9,100 - 9,500) So unless more children have arrived, which is possible, then Galad has around 6,600-6,900 and Asuwana has around 2,600-2,900. One would expect that if Asuwana had less then 2,500 that Suroth would think he had a 'couple' thousand instead.

 

Then there is also the issue of how Asuwana got there. Tylee must have withheld from Perrin the information that Asuwana was chasing Galad. Or else Galad was barely in the range of the scouts and Asuwana was outside of it. Asuwana could have gathered in scattered white cloaks along the way. And the Seanchen probably would have padded his force a little and may have given him some da'mane. (His distaste for da'mane might have made that impossible, though.)

 

p.s. I didn't mean to shout 7000 in that last post. I should have just italicized it instead.

[Jimmy]

I'm far more excited for Loial's scenes than I am for Lan's.

 

I missed this also the first time i read through it. When i went back to the beginning to read it again, it went all the way to the beginning and not just to the Lan POV. I immediately noticed that Loial finished the book. i believe we will end up with this this scene occurring towards the end of this book. Loial begins his speech towards the end of the book and it is either left hanging to make the decision in the prologue of the next book, or the decision is made and immediately that POV is finished and the book ends soon after.

[Jimmy]

someone had mentioned Loial's mother being against him speaking at the Great Stump? I believe this was mis-interpreted. It doesn't specifically say that she was against him speaking to the Great Hunt; just that she 'argued quiet decisively for the opposing side'. I believe that is just in reference to her speaking that the Book of Translation should be opened and for Loial being against it.

After all, anyone who is married has to be allowed to speak to the Great Stump; which was why she was arguing that he should be allowed to speak. This was mentioned at the Manner House where the trolloc attack occurred after the marriage ceremony between Loial and Erith (i think thats her name) took place.