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Lord of Chaos

Bidne Gaidin

By Bidne Gaidin
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And you made me forget what I was going to say!

 

Not that I think anyone's listening to this thread after that.

I was thinking that Halima/Aran'gar's POV "At the Gardens" made it clear that regardless of Moridin's order she still intended to kill Rand and had disguised her self as some other Chosen to kill him before. Aran'gar seems to have been the Chosen who "hired" Slayer to me.

 

See, it's people who get so mean on this board that make me not even want to share my ideas with you.

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Not that I think anyone's listening to this thread after that.

I was thinking that Halima/Aran'gar's POV "At the Gardens" made it clear that regardless of Moridin's order she still intended to kill Rand and had disguised her self as some other Chosen to kill him before. Aran'gar seems to have been the Chosen who "hired" Slayer to me.

 

I disagree with that. Aran'gars POV seems to indicate an attempt to come rather than an attempt already made. Especially when she so casually thinks that Moridin will be disappointed about Rand, if she had been the one hiring Slayer there should have been at least a minor hint about it in her thoughts.

 

See, it's people who get so mean on this board that make me not even want to share my ideas with you.

 

That will be taken care of, don't worry.

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Luckers: It is not logical to anyone but you. And moreover Kisman was never confused as to wether they should kill Rand. Two superior's told him flat out to kill Rand, and the third told him it was perfectly ok to kill him if he had to. In what way is that confused.

 

The only confusion he experienced was over the fact that his superiors did not seem to be aware of what each other was up to. There was ABSOLUTELY no ambiguity in the orders.

 

He had been a fool to let Rochaid talk him into this in the first place. They were supposed to wait until everyone had arrived, slipping into the city one by one to avoid notice. Rochaid had wanted the glory of being the one to kill al'Thor; the Murandian had burned with the desire to prove himself a better man than al'Thor. Now he was dead of it, and very nearly Raefar Kisman with him, and that made Kisman furious. He wanted power more than glory, perhaps to rule Tear from the Stone. Perhaps more. He wanted to live forever. Those things had been promised; they were his due. Part of his anger was because he was unsure they actually were supposed to kill al'Thor. The Great Lord knew he wanted to -- he would not sleep soundly until the man was dead and buried! -- and yet....

Kisman PoV from Winter's Heart Chapter 22: Out of Thin Air

 

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"Kill him" is part of a flash back memory that leads up to Kisman's current situation.

 

Luckers: And moreover Kisman was never confused as to wether they should kill Rand.

 

Kisman PoV: Part of his anger was because he was unsure they actually were supposed to kill al'Thor

 

"Unsure they actually were supposed to kill al'Thor," and, "confused as to whether they should kill Rand." Different words, same meaning to me.

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"Let the Lord of Chaos rule." What a perfect catch phrase. So ambiguous. Could mean anything. It's a holiday game, it's a children's' song. It's a direct order, it's an acknowledgment of an order. It's an individual, it's a state of the world.

 

Man, The Dark One is a divisive son of a gun to say the least.

 

I hope you guys aren't mad at me for yelling at you.

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What do you think Taim has got in store for Rand this time? By saying "Let the Lord of Chaos rule" it can't be anything good for Rand...

 

Could be a number of things. If Taim is a true DF it could be a ruse to get a number of DF Asha'man into the WT, where they would be in a position to cause a lot of trouble.

 

If all Asha'man flat out refused it would further aggravate relations between the WT in general and the Red Ajah in particular and Rand.

 

And if Taim knows about Rand's order for bondings, this goes directly against them, as Rand said that only Aes Sedai loyal to Egwene ae allowed to bond, and only Soldiers and Dedicated, no Asha'man. If Taim knows about it, and some Aasha'man agrees it would be open rebellion, and at least the bonded Aes Sedai would find it very hard to stand on Rand's side.

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Taim never placed a number limit on how many the Tower Aes Sedai could bond, but concider that he could hardly let them bond men who arn't his... Rand would find out about it, and i don't see him weakening his own powerbase too dramatically... i doubt there will be more then twenty asha'men bonded by the red. Likely less.

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The Aes Sedai's Warder bond allows them to Compel their Warder. They just aren't supposed to use it that way. However, there are apparently some problems when you bond someone stronger than yourself, such as when Alanna tried to Compel Rand with the bond, and failed completely. I don't know if the Asha'man bond has similar problems, although it would stand to reason that it does.

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What I meant was that he must have some sort of plan because as cocky as Taim is , he's being extra cocky by letting Aes Sedai Bond Asha'Man he must have some sort of plan.

 

By the way I've started reading WoT again, and one phrase has stood out! When Rand meets up with Thom Merrilin again, Rand says something about Hurin the sniffer and Thom says "Hurin...no dont tell me how. I Don't want to know" as though he knows him! What does that mean? The Great Hunt p.385

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