what would Hedid Fel do?

[oroboros]

I've been re-reading the series recently and started thinking; just how much did Hedid Fel work out? We know he figured out the essentials of how to clense the taint and knew alot more before he was killed. So I wondered if he was able why can't we? We know he worked from a position of logic using concepts that we should also be able to understand. So this thread is to see if we can come up with a likely storyline using only logical proceses.

 

I'll get the ball rolling. I recon the best place to start is at the end point (or prehaps the beginning)and work backwards as the ending is the only absolute we have. We know that in the end the wheel has to come back to the point where the DO is imprisoned in the 'perfect' prison (with no bore) - I will call this time the end point. We also know that at some time in a subsequent age he will be released and the breaking will occur. So therefore at the end point (or at least before the breaking) there has to come a time when a number of things have changed including:

1.) there will be no dragonmount - dragonmount was cretaed by the dragon on his death after the DO is released

2.) The Nym have to return - at the moment, as far as we know they are extinct but they were present at the breaking

3.) the land shape has to change - during the breaking the land changes shape (formation of dragonmount, formation of the island where Tar Valon is founded, changing of the steading, the blight disappears etc)

 

I suggest that getting to this point is a pivotal moment and can only be reached in a 4 different ways:

 

1.) the world remains the same but the timeline is thrown backwards - if time is thrown backwards to the end point events could then proceed in the correct way.

 

2.) The timeline remains the same but the world is somehow reset to its orginal conformation

 

3.) the world is destoyed and has to be remade new  - in this theroy the creator (could this be Rand) has to create the world

 

4.) The world is destroyed but carries on as a kind of copy - this theroy could be viewed as a kind of circle of life theroy rather like cell division i.e. the world is copied and reproduced as it originally was, the parent world then dies but the characteristics continue in the new daughter world

 

Can anyone produce some arguments for or against these theroies? and if this is true what does it tell us? can anyone figure out a logical way for these things to happen?

 

 

 

 

[Vulgir]

There's quite a few things you have wrong.

 

- Fel didnt work out how to clense the Taint, the Finn told Rand, and Fel agreed

 

- The DO has never been released, ever, because if he was the wheel would cease turning and time wouldn't exist.

 

- The breaking doesnt occure in every age. That was a result of the taint.

 

- Why do the Nym have to return?

 

 

Maybe its late but i dont understand what your saying.

[Agitel]

It almost sounds like you're suggesting that the geography is the same every time an Age comes around. I don't see why that has to be. I do believe that the world undergoes major geological changes every so often, but perhaps not at set periods. If the Dark One works outside the Pattern, then events caused by him might not repeat themselves every cycle.

[Durinax]

we ahve no basis to say that any of the prophecies will have any bearing after TG, they will be obsolete since rand will have completed them and thus dragonmount and the rest can still exist and time will keep going forward. There is nothing to say that there is a universal reset

[OptimusPrime]

Herid Fel said in a note that order and faith bring strength. You do the math, with Rand in mind

[oroboros]

Sorry I don't think I managed to get across waht I was thinking. I'm suggesting that yes the world does have to altered and 'reset' because the wheel of time world is a cyclic universe "The wheel of time turns , and ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legends fade to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the age that gave it birth comes again.......there are no beginnings or ends to the wheel of time" etc. In order for the wheel to turn and the ages to repeat there must at some point be a scenario where the things I've suggested must be true (otherwise there should be dragonmounts all over the place from past turnings), the Nym must return at some point to exist for the green man to appear etc becaue otherwise it isn't a cyclic world i.e. not a wheel it's linear

 

Rand has to defeat the DO in order for the wheel to continue turning only if the DO wins does the wheel stop. What I'm suggesting is that we should be able to figure out whats going to happen by looking at ages that are yet to come (the ages that have already been).

[Agitel]

Mountains get worn down or destroyed. We don't know how long it takes for the Wheel to make one rotation. That doesn't mean a reset. The really is no First Age or Seventh Age, that was just arbitrary naming on the part of the people of the so-called Fourth Age.

 

More than likely, and this is only a theory, the Nym are from a parallel world much like the Ogier, and will at some point cross back over. Or maybe they're in some kind of weird hibernation. I don't know. And they'll come again, surely.

 

But keep in mind that the Ages aren't exactly the same when they come again. There are differences, and every rotation brings more slight differences, so that the same Age separated by a thousand rotations might be dissimilar in many ways. More than likely the world keeps changing as the Ages pass. It doesn't need to resort back to what it was, I never understood that to be of vital importance for an Age to play itself out similarly. The Blight will most definitely disappear or recede and then disappear once the Pattern is made whole again and the Dark One bound away.

[Vulgir]

Each age isnt the same, events do not play out in the same way in every age.

 

The Nym do not have to return because There doesn't have to be a Green man for the next age. You are wrong in thinking this.

 

[Cillian]

Nym are Constructs of the One Power.

I'm fairly sure it was the AoL Aes Sedai who made them.

 

And my understanding is that each turning of the Wheel is not exactly the same as the last.

 

Edit:

And from now on, when someone gets in a bind I will no longer say to them "What would Jesus do?" but instead say "What would Herid Fel do?"

Nobody will have a clue what I'm on about but still....

[witsd]

Each age isnt the same, events do not play out in the same way in every age.

 

The Nym do not have to return because There doesn't have to be a Green man for the next age. You are wrong in thinking this.

But they do have to return for the next Third age, which is oroboros' point, I believe.