Two Unrelated Questions

[luftstark]

Those may have been subject to other topics.. but i haven't found it so here it goes:

 

1- What was the "Vileness" after the end of the Aiel War that some AS (specially Cadsuane) talk about??

 

2-Were the Forsaken only 13? Moghedien says, when she first seens Moridin, that "Only twenty-nine others have been given this privilege" [tap the TP]. We can assume that the DO would not liberate the TP to anyone... if only 13 of the Forsaken were left, who are the other 16 TP channelers? Were they Chosen too? If not, why could they channel the TP not being a Chosen?

 

That's it ^^

 

Ty

[Graendals favourite]

1-- Here is a good discussion on the vileness.

2-- Those who were allowed to channel the True Power were not necessarily Chosen. That privilege was granted by the Dark One to those who he saw fit, who needed it.

 

And there were hundreds of the Chosen. The thirteen we know were those at the top at the time of the sealing who chanced to have been called to a meating at Shayol Ghul. Though, as memory serves, Ishamael, Lanfear, Graendal, Demandred, and later Sammael had always been at the top.

[Roxinos]

Taken from the Question of the Week:

 

First off, Dreadlords was the name given to men and women who could channel and sided with the Shadow in the Trolloc Wars. Yes, the women were called Dreadlords, too. They might have liked to call themselves "the Chosen," like the Forsaken, but feared to. The real Forsaken might not have appreciated it when they returned, as prophecies of the Shadow foretold would happen. Some of the Dreadlords had authority and responsibility equivalent to that of the Forsaken in the War of the Shadow, however. They ran the Shadow's side of the Trolloc Wars, though without the inherent ability to command the Myrddraal that the Forsaken possess, meaning they had to negotiate with them. Overall command at the beginning was in another's hands.

 

Forsaken was the name given to Aes Sedai who went over to the Shadow in the War of the Shadow at the end of the Age of Legends, though of course, they called themselves the Chosen, and despite the tales of the "current"Age, there were many more than a few of them. Since they occupied all sorts of levels, you might say that many were equivalent to some of the lesser Dreadlords, but it would be incorrect to call them so. At the time, they were all Forsaken—or Chosen—from the greatest to the least.

 

Some of those Forsaken the Dark One killed were every bit as high-ranking as the thirteen who were remembered, and who you might say constituted a large part of the Dark One's General Staff at the time of the sealing. With the Forsaken, where treachery and backstabbing were an acceptable way of getting ahead, the turnover in the upper ranks was fairly high, though Ishamael, Demandred, Lanfear, Graendal, Semirhage, and later Sammael, were always at the top end of the pyramid. They were very skilled at personal survival, politically and physically.

 

In large part the thirteen were remembered because they were trapped at Shayol Ghul, and so their names became part of that story, though it turned out that details of them, stories of them, survived wide-spread knowledge of the tale of the actual sealing itself. Just that they had been sealed away. Other Forsaken were left behind, so to speak, free but in a world that was rapidly sliding down the tube. The men eventually went mad and died from the same taint that killed off the other male Aes Sedai. They had no access to the Dark One's protective filters. The women died, too, though from age or in battle or from natural disasters created by insane male AesSedai or from diseases that could no longer be controlled because civilization itself had been destroyed and access to those who were skilled in Healing was all but gone. And soon after their deaths, their names were forgotten, except for what might possibly be discovered in some ancient manuscript fragment that survived the Breaking. A bleak story of people who deserved no better, and not worth telling in any detail.

[mb]

Here is an alternate link about the vileness:

http://linuxmafia.com/jordan/2_nondark/2.4_yore/2.4.11_vileness.html

It should be identical to the other link.

 

This link talks about the True Power:

http://linuxmafia.com/jordan/1_dark/1.3_how-work-dark/1.3.2_true-power.html

 

[Mr Ares]

Here is an alternate link about the vileness:

http://linuxmafia.com/jordan/2_nondark/2.4_yore/2.4.11_vileness.html

It should be identical to the other link.

Then why did you post it?

[luftstark]

ty guys