Your favourite ajah?

[Luckers]

Yes, I can. Asmodean said:..."Perhaps in the grand scheme of the Pattern, it’s a balance for men being stronger… Some women have stronger arms than some men, but in general it is the other way around. The same holds with strength in the Power, and in about the same proportion… If two women link, they do not double their strength – linking is not as simple as adding together the power of each – but if they are strong enough, they can match a man.” (TFoH, Pale Shadows).

 

I'm sorry, where in that did Asmodean say men "in general were more than twice the strength of women in general."

 

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It's irrelevant anyway, RJ's statement about the percentages of men vs. women strong enough to attain the shawl shows the minute degree of difference between the distributions of their strength.

 

No, it does not.

 

Consider the math, mate. 65.4% of men have the strength Aes Sedai deem nessasary to gain their shawl, whilst 62.5% of women do. You do understand what that means, right?

 

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As for "several levels"--i believe i covered that--the male upper strength, as i stated, is slightly higher than the female. 23 or 24 levels compared to 21 levels.

Two levels aren't "several levels". Asmo said men in general are more than twice the strength of women.

 

That's actually three levels, champ. 22, 23 and 24. And, by the way, several can in fact mean two.

 

And I've yet to see your quote from Asmodean saying such a thing.

 

OK, there are 13 present day women channelers that are stronger than Cadsuane. Out of how many thousand channelers? That would be "extremely rare". Cadsuane was the strongest Aes Sedai in a thousand years. Extremely rare. Extremely strong, compared to the average of all Aes Sedai. Even more extreme, compared to the average of all women channelers.

 

Cadsuane being the strongest Aes Sedai in a thousand years doesn't make her strength extremely rare, it just makes the Aes Sedai recruitment methodology extremely crap. Around one percent of the populations can channel. Even at conservative estimates that means over 100,000 women who can channel in the Randland area alone, 62,500 who are strong enough to attain the shawl.

 

And no, there arn't 13 present day women stronger than Cadsuane, there are 13 present day named characters stronger than Cadsuane. Many of them considerably stronger.

 

There are more than 6,000  Wise Ones. Who knows how many thousands of damane, sul'dam, Windfinders, Ayyad and Madmanian are still out there. I leave out the Amayan of course, given they are dead.

 

All of which is utterly irrelevant. You attempted to make a comparison between the occurence of men of Rand, Logain or Taim's strength with the occurence of women of Cadsuane's. That's absurd. Cadsuane is barely above midling. Rand and the others are at the top.

 

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The fact is Aes Sedai recruitment standards are insanely lax, and the other organisations that do have better recruitment we have no comments about the stratas of strength.

 

That very fact would be a reason to expect the average Aes Sedai to be quite a bit stronger than otherwise expected. Sparkers are stronger than learners. Sparkers such as Siuan has a big chance of becoming shipped off to Tar Valon. Learners that are older than 18 years when they were discovered would not have been accepted as novices before 998 NE.

 

Sparkers are not stronger than learners. Take Sharina, for example. There are less than a thousand Aes Sedai--and less than two thousand of those that were thrown out. 3,000 out of, at least, 100,000.

 

The frequency of Logain or Taim (for men) is not much higher than the frequency of Cadsuane (for women).

 

You get that from the bureua of made up statistics? Or did you just make it up yourself?

 

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Rand, Logain and Taim stand at the top of the hierarchy, and are to be compared to the likes of Alivia and Sharina, who also stand in those heights. Comparing them to the likes of Cadsuane, or even Egwene does not work, they may be insanely strong for an Aes Sedai, but Aes Sedai recruitment is an absurdity. They are not insanley strong in the strata of female strength. Or uncommen.

 

They are EXTREMELY uncommon.

 

You do know that capitalizing your disagreement does not, an argument, make.

[Hallow]

You do know that capitalizing your disagreement does not, an argument, make.

 

Funny  ;D

[Nightstrike]

They are EXTREMELY uncommon.

 

Sorry but this is unbased, if you look at how many strong channelers have popped up when Aes Sedai actually wanted to look you cant possibly know how many more are out there. Just as an example: Nynaeve, Egwene, Bode, Sharina, and probably some i forgot :)

 

However, the sparkers among men get fairly well known as they become raving lunatics, destroy something or become false dragons (Apart from the ones not dying at once the spark manifests) whilst strong sparkers among women most usually block themselves somehow (Like Nynaeve) since Aes Sedai dont go looking and most girls might be afraid of going to the tower. (Again, apart from the ones that die at once)

Again:

The fact is Aes Sedai recruitment standards are insanely lax, and the other organisations that do have better recruitment we have no comments about the stratas of strength.

That very fact would be a reason to expect the average Aes Sedai to be quite a bit stronger than otherwise expected. Sparkers are stronger than learners. Sparkers such as Siuan has a big chance of becoming shipped off to Tar Valon. Learners that are older than 18 years when they were discovered would not have been accepted as novices before 998 NE.

[Luckers]

Requoting your arguments doesn't do much for us either, just saying.

[Hallow]

They are EXTREMELY uncommon.

 

Sorry but this is unbased, if you look at how many strong channelers have popped up when Aes Sedai actually wanted to look you cant possibly know how many more are out there. Just as an example: Nynaeve, Egwene, Bode, Sharina, and probably some i forgot :)

 

However, the sparkers among men get fairly well known as they become raving lunatics, destroy something or become false dragons (Apart from the ones not dying at once the spark manifests) whilst strong sparkers among women most usually block themselves somehow (Like Nynaeve) since Aes Sedai dont go looking and most girls might be afraid of going to the tower. (Again, apart from the ones that die at once)

 

Again:

The fact is Aes Sedai recruitment standards are insanely lax, and the other organisations that do have better recruitment we have no comments about the stratas of strength.

That very fact would be a reason to expect the average Aes Sedai to be quite a bit stronger than otherwise expected. Sparkers are stronger than learners. Sparkers such as Siuan has a big chance of becoming shipped off to Tar Valon. Learners that are older than 18 years when they were discovered would not have been accepted as novices before 998 NE.

And again; 4 of the strongest Aes Sedai/accepted/novices to this day wouldnt have been found had it not been for something un usual happening, Nynaeve/egwene because of Moiraine visiting some

forgotten unimporant middle of nowhere part of the world, Sharina because they actually opened the novice book to anyone (And she's not even a sparker btw) and Bode which was found as a consequence of moiraine visiting the two rivers, as Verin went there afterwards and got her.

 

I guess what Im trying to say is that you cant possibly have anything to back up the fact that Logain/Taim/Rand are as rare as Cadsuane and not Sharina/Alivia, there is just no way of knowing. (And Rand is the strongest channeler ever encountered btw, man and woman, so saying cadsuane would be as rare a find as him is insane)

[Nightstrike]

I'm sorry, where in that did Asmodean say men "in general were more than twice the strength of women in general."

Because that's what he was speaking about. As simple as that.

 

Consider the math, mate. 65.4% of men have the strength Aes Sedai deem nessasary to gain their shawl, whilst 62.5% of women do. You do understand what that means, right?

Yeah, I know all about the math. I presented it for you, remember? It doesn't contradict the rest of what RJ said in the very same blog-post (to the same person).

 

And I've yet to see your quote from Asmodean saying such a thing.

Yeah, me too. That's because it was RJ himself that said it. As simple as that.

 

Cadsuane being the strongest Aes Sedai in a thousand years doesn't make her strength extremely rare, it just makes the Aes Sedai recruitment methodology extremely crap. Around one percent of the populations can channel. Even at conservative estimates that means over 100,000 women who can channel in the Randland area alone, 62,500 who are strong enough to attain the shawl.

And sparkers are stronger than learners. I've already explained what that means. Read it if you're interested.

 

And no, there arn't 13 present day women stronger than Cadsuane, there are 13 present day named characters stronger than Cadsuane. Many of them considerably stronger.

Cadsuane is the strongest Aes Sedai in 1 000 years, and it doesn't make her extremely strong? Combined with sparkers being stronger than learners? That would be FANTASY (your very own).

 

All of which is utterly irrelevant. You attempted to make a comparison between the occurence of men of Rand, Logain or Taim's strength with the occurence of women of Cadsuane's. That's absurd. Cadsuane is barely above midling. Rand and the others are at the top.

No, Cadsuane isn't barely above middling. She is exceptional. Very much so. See above.

 

Sparkers are not stronger than learners.

That's bullshit. Truckloads of it. Siuan, Moiraine, Alivia, Nynaeve, Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha, Bodewhin, and a lot of the other mentioned Aes Sedai are sparkers. The Aes Sedai that are even mentioned (except a handful of weak exceptions) are the very strongest. A lot stronger than average. Sparkers make up a much, much smaller percentage than the learners (RJ said so).

 

Take Sharina, for example.

Sharina is the only remarkable exception to the rule that we know of (among women).

 

 

The frequency of Logain or Taim (for men) is not much higher than the frequency of Cadsuane (for women).

You get that from the bureua of made up statistics? Or did you just make it up yourself?

What?

 

You do know that capitalizing your disagreement does not, an argument, make.

That would be because it wasn't an argument. It was the conclusion of my argument. There's a difference, you know.

 

[Nightstrike]

And again; 4 of the strongest Aes Sedai/accepted/novices to this day wouldnt have been found had it not been for something un usual happening, Nynaeve/egwene because of Moiraine visiting some

forgotten unimporant middle of nowhere part of the world, Sharina because they actually opened the novice book to anyone (And she's not even a sparker btw) and Bode which was found as a consequence of moiraine visiting the two rivers, as Verin went there afterwards and got her.

 

I guess what Im trying to say is that you cant possibly have anything to back up the fact that Logain/Taim/Rand are as rare as Cadsuane and not Sharina/Alivia, there is just no way of knowing. (And Rand is the strongest channeler ever encountered btw, man and woman, so saying cadsuane would be as rare a find as him is insane)

Again:

That very fact would be a reason to expect the average Aes Sedai to be quite a bit stronger than otherwise expected. Sparkers are stronger than learners. Sparkers such as Siuan has a big chance of becoming shipped off to Tar Valon. Learners that are older than 18 years when they were discovered would not have been accepted as novices before 998 NE.

[Hallow]

And again; 4 of the strongest Aes Sedai/accepted/novices to this day wouldnt have been found had it not been for something un usual happening, Nynaeve/egwene because of Moiraine visiting some

forgotten unimporant middle of nowhere part of the world, Sharina because they actually opened the novice book to anyone (And she's not even a sparker btw) and Bode which was found as a consequence of moiraine visiting the two rivers, as Verin went there afterwards and got her.

 

I guess what Im trying to say is that you cant possibly have anything to back up the fact that Logain/Taim/Rand are as rare as Cadsuane and not Sharina/Alivia, there is just no way of knowing. (And Rand is the strongest channeler ever encountered btw, man and woman, so saying cadsuane would be as rare a find as him is insane)

Again:

That very fact would be a reason to expect the average Aes Sedai to be quite a bit stronger than otherwise expected. Sparkers are stronger than learners. Sparkers such as Siuan has a big chance of becoming shipped off to Tar Valon. Learners that are older than 18 years when they were discovered would not have been accepted as novices before 998 NE.

 

What are you on about? Im saying that theres alot of very strong channelers that wouldnt ahve been picked up because of how the Aes Sedai operate, this is in complete contradiction to what you keep quoting, wher eyou say that stronger sparkers would be more likely to be picked up, if it hadnt been for moiraine then 3 of the strongest sparkers to this day wouldnt have. Now stop quoting an argument that doesnt apply and come up with something new.

[Nightstrike]

What are you on about? Im saying that theres alot of very strong channelers that wouldnt ahve been picked up because of how the Aes Sedai operate, this is in complete contradiction to what you keep quoting, wher eyou say that stronger sparkers would be more likely to be picked up, if it hadnt been for moiraine then 3 of the strongest sparkers to this day wouldnt have. Now stop quoting an argument that doesnt apply and come up with something new.

Yeah, and there's a lot of very weak channelers what wouldn't have been picked up because of how the Aes Sedai operate, this is exactly what I'm saying. No contradiction. Learners that don't get picked up before they are 18 years of age would never have become novices. Sparkers, such as Siuan, are recognized for what they are in many areas (even in Tear!!!) and will have a greater chance of being shipped away to Tar Valon. Exactly like Siuan. That is what I'm on about. That was what I was on about.

 

 

 

[Hallow]

What are you on about? Im saying that theres alot of very strong channelers that wouldnt ahve been picked up because of how the Aes Sedai operate, this is in complete contradiction to what you keep quoting, wher eyou say that stronger sparkers would be more likely to be picked up, if it hadnt been for moiraine then 3 of the strongest sparkers to this day wouldnt have. Now stop quoting an argument that doesnt apply and come up with something new.

Yeah, and there's a lot of very weak channelers what wouldn't have been picked up because of how the Aes Sedai operate, this is exactly what I'm saying. No contradiction. Learners that don't get picked up before they are 18 years of age would never have become novices. Sparkers, such as Siuan, are recognized for what they are in many areas (even in Tear!!!) and will have a greater chance of being shipped away to Tar Valon. Exactly like Siuan. That is what I'm on about. That was what I was on about.

 

 

 

 

Still means that we have no idea how rare the strongest female channelers are, for al we know there could be dousins of cadsuane strength channelers out there, or even Egwene or Nynaeve strength ones, just never discovered. However whenever a strong male sparker is there he either dies or goes insane and does something bad that attracts some attention.

[RobertAlexWillis]

-sigh- ... Again?

[Hallow]

-sigh- ... Again?

 

I think you should start with your Super sighs RAW, you know, the large and shiny ones. Will probably make everyone shush.

[Nightstrike]

Still means that we have no idea how rare the strongest female channelers are, for al we know there could be dousins of cadsuane strength channelers out there, or even Egwene or Nynaeve strength ones, just never discovered. However whenever a strong male sparker is there he either dies or goes insane and does something bad that attracts some attention.

The thing I was pointing out (as counter-argument for what Luckers said - which seemed to be the opposite of what I say) was not that it gave us any indication of the strength distribution curve. It does, however, show us that there are higher percentages of the very strong Aes Sedai, due to their bad recruitment habits, than we could expect from whatever distribution curve there is.

[Luckers]

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I'm sorry, where in that did Asmodean say men "in general were more than twice the strength of women in general."

 

Because that's what he was speaking about. As simple as that.

 

So, when you said "Asmo said men in general were more than twice the strength of women in general." what you meant was 'in my opinion when Asmo said "bla bla bla" he meant that "men in general were more than twice the strength of women in general."'

 

Coz, you realise he never actually stated it. Sorry bud.

 

Now if you'd care to explain what led you to think that based on the actual quote we could possible continue this discussion.

 

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Consider the math, mate. 65.4% of men have the strength Aes Sedai deem nessasary to gain their shawl, whilst 62.5% of women do. You do understand what that means, right?

 

Yeah, I know all about the math. I presented it for you, remember? It doesn't contradict the rest of what RJ said in the very same blog-post (to the same person).

 

Of course it doesn't.

 

What? You thought that helped your position?

 

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And I've yet to see your quote from Asmodean saying such a thing.

 

Yeah, me too. That's because it was RJ himself that said it. As simple as that.

 

Oh, so now RJ said that "men in general were more than twice the strength of women in general."

 

Alright then, can you provide us with THAT quote.

 

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Cadsuane being the strongest Aes Sedai in a thousand years doesn't make her strength extremely rare, it just makes the Aes Sedai recruitment methodology extremely crap. Around one percent of the populations can channel. Even at conservative estimates that means over 100,000 women who can channel in the Randland area alone, 62,500 who are strong enough to attain the shawl.

 

And sparkers are stronger than learners. I've already explained what that means. Read it if you're interested.

 

How is that a relevant response? To my memory we've had mention of only 9 sparker Aes Sedai. You balance that against 61,000 unknown women (i removed those who approached the Tower for training).

 

Besides i already pointed out why your logic about sparkers being stronger than learners was flawed.

 

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And no, there arn't 13 present day women stronger than Cadsuane, there are 13 present day named characters stronger than Cadsuane. Many of them considerably stronger.

 

Cadsuane is the strongest Aes Sedai in 1 000 years, and it doesn't make her extremely strong? Combined with sparkers being stronger than learners? That would be FANTASY (your very own).

 

Yes, it doesn't make her extremely strong. Let me say it again for you. There are, at least, 61,000 women out there strong enough to wear the shawl.

 

The Aes Sedai strength range is pitiful. Cadsuane is relatively strong, yes. But exteremly? No.

 

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Sparkers are not stronger than learners.

 

That's bullshit. Truckloads of it. Siuan, Moiraine, Alivia, Nynaeve, Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha, Bodewhin, and a lot of the other mentioned Aes Sedai are sparkers. The Aes Sedai that are even mentioned (except a handful of weak exceptions) are the very strongest. A lot stronger than average. Sparkers make up a much, much smaller percentage than the learners (RJ said so).

 

Do you realise how pathetic that list is, though? We have 61,000 untrained channelers out there in the westlands alone, and you preach that sparkers are stronger than learners? Now lets throw in the sul'dam. The Ayyad. You have no idea what learners are capable of, and no basis for a comparison.

 

The simple existance of that many untrained channelers blows your idea out of the water, especially when added to the fact that there exist learners who stand just as high as your sparkers. Sharina, Romanda, Lelaine, Elaida.

 

Given that, no, my friend, Sparkers are not stronger than Learners.

 

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Take Sharina, for example.

 

Sharina is the only remarkable exception to the rule that we know of (among women).

 

That we know of. We know there are other female channelers who equal your vaunted list. And What of the tens of thousands unknown channelers in the world? What of the hundreds of thousands of untrained learners?

 

How this is relevant to your claims that Cadsuane is in some way comprable to Rand i don't know.

 

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The frequency of Logain or Taim (for men) is not much higher than the frequency of Cadsuane (for women).

 

You get that from the bureua of made up statistics? Or did you just make it up yourself?

 

What?

 

I was saying you made that up. Or someone else did for you.

 

I really didn't think it was that obtuse.

 

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You do know that capitalizing your disagreement does not, an argument, make.

 

That would be because it wasn't an argument. It was the conclusion of my argument. There's a difference, you know.

 

Yes, i do know. The difference, usually, is marked by a conclusion coming after a sequence of your own comments, whilst an argument usually comes after a quoted portion of your opponents comments.

 

You see, my friend, when you make such conclusive comments to someone elses post... well, it doesn't come accross so very conclusive as you might think. Mostly, it just seems petulant.

 

Just saying.

 

The thing I was pointing out (as counter-argument for what Luckers said - which seemed to be the opposite of what I say) was not that it gave us any indication of the strength distribution curve. It does, however, show us that there are higher percentages of the very strong Aes Sedai, due to their bad recruitment habits, than we could expect from whatever distribution curve there is.

 

Yes, and what we're saying to you is that that logic is fallacious.

 

 

[albino_dog]

I like the White best

[Nightstrike]

So, when you said "Asmo said men in general were more than twice the strength of women in general." what you meant was 'in my opinion when Asmo said "bla bla bla" he meant that "men in general were more than twice the strength of women in general."'

He said it. No opinions are worth anything, unless they are the correct one.

 

Coz, you realise he never actually stated it. Sorry bud.

Sorry, he did. Read it again. Just out of curiousity - what do you think he said?

 

 

 

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Consider the math, mate. 65.4% of men have the strength Aes Sedai deem nessasary to gain their shawl, whilst 62.5% of women do. You do understand what that means, right?

 

Yeah, I know all about the math. I presented it for you, remember? It doesn't contradict the rest of what RJ said in the very same blog-post (to the same person).

 

Of course it doesn't.

 

What? You thought that helped your position?

Yes, because RJ said (in that blog-entry) that there were "several levels", while you think he might have meant two.

 

 

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And I've yet to see your quote from Asmodean saying such a thing.

 

Yeah, me too. That's because it was RJ himself that said it. As simple as that.

 

Oh, so now RJ said that "men in general were more than twice the strength of women in general."

 

Alright then, can you provide us with THAT quote.

You've lost track on what that was about. Let me refresh your memory (quoting Luckers):

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As for "several levels"--i believe i covered that--the male upper strength, as i stated, is slightly higher than the female. 23 or 24 levels compared to 21 levels.

Two levels aren't "several levels". Asmo said men in general are more than twice the strength of women.

 

That's actually three levels, champ. 22, 23 and 24. And, by the way, several can in fact mean two.

 

And I've yet to see your quote from Asmodean saying such a thing.

 

 

How is that a relevant response? To my memory we've had mention of only 9 sparker Aes Sedai. You balance that against 61,000 unknown women (i removed those who approached the Tower for training).

 

Besides i already pointed out why your logic about sparkers being stronger than learners was flawed.

No, there are many more than that. Most of the very strong ones. Sharina being the remarkable exception. You've "pointed" nothing out in that regard.

 

 

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Sparkers are not stronger than learners.

 

That's bullshit. Truckloads of it. Siuan, Moiraine, Alivia, Nynaeve, Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha, Bodewhin, and a lot of the other mentioned Aes Sedai are sparkers. The Aes Sedai that are even mentioned (except a handful of weak exceptions) are the very strongest. A lot stronger than average. Sparkers make up a much, much smaller percentage than the learners (RJ said so).

 

Do you realise how pathetic that list is, though? We have 61,000 untrained channelers out there in the westlands alone, and you preach that sparkers are stronger than learners? Now lets throw in the sul'dam. The Ayyad. You have no idea what learners are capable of, and no basis for a comparison.

We know that sul'dam haven't channeled, but they are learner. That means they are in general weaker in potential than the damane, who are sparkers. We know nothing of the Ayyad, so lets not bring them into the discussion.

 

The simple existance of that many untrained channelers blows your idea out of the water, especially when added to the fact that there exist learners who stand just as high as your sparkers. Sharina, Romanda, Lelaine, Elaida.

What are you talking about? Nothing has blown my idea out of the water. Do you have proof that Romanda, Lelaine or Elaida are learners?

 

Given that, no, my friend, Sparkers are not stronger than Learners.

Nynaeve, Alivia, Moiraine, Siuan, Aviendha, Elayne, Egwene, Bodewhin, Jancy are all sparkers. They are extremely, extremely high above average strength. Coincidence, no way. A lot of other, slightly less strong (but still above average strength), are also sparkers.

 

Sharina is the only remarkable exception to the rule that we know of (among women).

 

That we know of.

Exactly. We know of a lot of women. Enough to make us sure about the general trend.

 

How this is relevant to your claims that Cadsuane is in some way comprable to Rand i don't know.

I haven't said that. This is what I said:

The frequency of Logain or Taim (for men) is not much higher than the frequency of Cadsuane (for women).

 

 

 

Yes, i do know. The difference, usually, is marked by a conclusion coming after a sequence of your own comments, whilst an argument usually comes after a quoted portion of your opponents comments.

You see, my friend, when you make such conclusive comments to someone elses post... well, it doesn't come accross so very conclusive as you might think. Mostly, it just seems petulant.

Just saying.

Are you out of arguments? It was my conclusion. I've made my argument known in that post and later. Talking like this isn't getting anyone anywhere. Come up with arguments to further your case instead. If you have a case. I haven't seen much of it. You said men and women are almost equal, but you got nothing to back that. I've even bothered to prove you wrong, but you won't listen.

 

 

Yes, and what we're saying to you is that that logic is fallacious.

Yes, I know what you're saying. You haven't explained why, though. Maybe because my logic is absolutely correct.

 

 

[Nightstrike]

I like the White best

Albino Dog likes White best. That sounds right. ;D

[Charlz Guybon]

I used to agree with Luckers about how the AS have dropped the ball by sealing themselves away from the world until I reread the BW several months ago at B&N (my own copy has been lost for several years).

 

If you read the BW though you'll find the Aes Sedai were much more respected and powerfull in the years after the breaking then in modern times. Why? Likely because they were much more out and about, involved in the lives of everyday people. They retreated from the world after the Trolloc Wars ended, and retreated further after Hawkwing's siege of Tar Valon.

[Charlz Guybon]

Sparkers are not stronger than learners.

That's bullshit. Truckloads of it. Siuan, Moiraine, Alivia, Nynaeve, Egwene, Elayne, Aviendha, Bodewhin, and a lot of the other mentioned Aes Sedai are sparkers. The Aes Sedai that are even mentioned (except a handful of weak exceptions) are the very strongest. A lot stronger than average. Sparkers make up a much, much smaller percentage than the learners (RJ said so).

 

Take Sharina, for example.

Sharina is the only remarkable exception to the rule that we know of (among women).

 

 

Nicola is also a learner.

[Nightstrike]

Nicola is also a learner.

Yeah, I just saw that. Had forgot about her. Anyway, those two break the trend. Rand, Logain, Taim are the three strongest males born in current Age, and they are all sparkers. RJ said that sparkers make up a much, much smaller percentage than the learners. So, they should be in the minority among the strongest channelers. Instead they are in majority. That is remarkable!

[Lord Nik]

Didnt Asmo say that in general Guys were stronger in the power. Very similarly how guys (in general) are stronger than woman just in the physical sense. None of this double stuff but there are more guys stronger in the power than girls. But not significantly.

[Nightstrike]

Yeah, and most guys are at least twice the strength of most women.

 

Asmodean said:..."Perhaps in the grand scheme of the Pattern, it’s a balance for men being stronger… Some women have stronger arms than some men, but in general it is the other way around. The same holds with strength in the Power, and in about the same proportion… If two women link, they do not double their strength – linking is not as simple as adding together the power of each – but if they are strong enough, they can match a man.” (TFoH, Pale Shadows).

 

 

[RobertAlexWillis]

That quote actually means that men's strength, on average, is less than twice the strength of a woman.

 

2 average women linked generally equals an average man.

 

2 average women linked is less than double the strength of the an average woman.

 

Therefore, the average strength of a man is less than double the average strength of a woman.

 

Do the "maths".

 

Men are stronger, on average.  But not twice as strong, on average.

[Nightstrike]

2 average women linked is less than double the strength of the an average woman.

We know the loss from linking is very, very small. And Asmo said "if they are strong enough", which means that you can't take 2 average women and expect them to overcome a man. They have to be stronger than that.

 

 

[RobertAlexWillis]

We know the loss from linking is very, very small

 

Its still less.  I didn't say "they lose 50 percent" or invent any numbers at all.  It just means that an average man is not double the strength of an average woman.  He is stronger.  Just not double.

 

And Asmo said "if they are strong enough", which means that you can't take 2 average women and expect them to overcome a man.

 

All that means is that linking doesn't automatically overwhelm a man.  Strength is a factor.  Two super weak women can't overwhelm Rand.  But two average women can take an average man.  You have to look at it in the context of his whole statement, and you're not doing that.  You're reinterpreting it to mean what you want it to mean.

 

Which isn't surprising, mind you.  Just wrong.