Christmas Mafia

[Myndrunner]

True, Verbal, it does not elimenate Lore as a mafia completely and she very well could have said that when her mafia friends pointed out the flaw in her logic; however, there is a chance she is just new to playing mafia and just plain didn't know.  Concuring with your statement, we just cannot take that risk.

 

There are two players who I feel are most likely mafia at this point, but I would like to hear Cosmic Panda's thoughts before I recommend either of them.  Cosmic?  Your thoughts?

[Tigara]

Well, going by that list, I think each person is inclined to choose the one they aren't in. :P Brilliant reasoning, Mynd. ::) I know I'm not mafia, but no one else knows that for sure. So really it's up to the people NOT on the list to choose.

 

Indeed, so you are essentially saying that Danya, Verbal, and Cosmic Panda are mafia?

 

According to your latest list, yes. No one is going to pick any of the ones with them self in it. ::)

[Myndrunner]

Hybrid, since Mynd was not targeted, the Evils must have approved of Tigs for the Vig kill. I am therefore not inclined to believe him Evil.

 

:o Woah! Way to jump to conclusions!

 

Why would they have targeted Mynd if they didn't approve of Tig's kill?

 

The above post is one that leads me to believe that Lore and Cosmic are not mafia together.  If one is mafia then it is likely that the other is not.  It is also possible that they both are not mafia, but a teammate would never counter like this unless they are ultimately crafty......and I haven't seen much craftiness from the mafia in this game.  

 

Tigara, on the other hand, it made perfect sense to...enough for him to vote Hybrid, our healer.  Danya also followed suit with a vote on Hybrid, which SURPRISE....he was the Healer.  I did get a chuckle out of that, I must admit.  Danya, Tigara, and Loreina.  Hmmm......  Thoughts?

[Hybrid]

I believe Mynd a little more now.  I got it into my head that his first post after night was admitting that he killed Liathiana, which was setting a red flag, but it turns out he was admitting the no-kill, which was logical.

 

So my original reason for voting Tigara is flawed.  I would unvote him now because of that and the impulsiveness of my original decision.  But on the other hand, he hasn't unvoted me despite my claim and he has made several posts since then.  That makes me think he's mafia.  Why?  If the Healer is lynched today, it becomes 3 mafia and 3 innocents.  Even if Mynd kills a mafia, it will still be 2-2 tomorrow.  Endgame.

 

Right now I'm thinking Tigara and Loreina, but I don't know about the other one.  Verbal has been laying reasonably low all game and following along with everyone else, though he has thrown suspicions out.  Danya, I am not certain of.  I think she had a good point about the contradiction of my last post, and she did unvote immediately.  Cosmicpanda hasn't been on recently, so I don't know what his thoughts are.  And Mynd is Mynd.  :D

[Myndrunner]

I wouldn't put it past Danya to vote her own, in fact, I think that both her and Lore's smear campaign on me was very coordinated.  Still, Tigara has been reading this thread a lot and still has not unvoted Hybrid, our unrefuted healer. 

 

Putting Lore back in the list, here is what we have:

 

Danya  Lore  Tigara

Danya  Lore  Verbal

Danya  Lore  Cosmic

Lore  Tigara  Verbal

Lore  Tigara  Cosmic

Lore  Verbal  Cosmic

Tigara  Verbal  Cosmic

Danya  Tigara  Verbal

Danya  Tigara  Cosmic

Danya  Verbal  Cosmic

 

We have until Monday to reach a majority, so we can debate this all weekend.  I do wish to hear from Cosmic Panda, but more so because I think he is one of the two remaining roleless and he can shed some light on who he believes is mafia.  This is usually the point in a mafia game where Verbal chimes in a lot more, but he doesn't seem to have much to go on.  This is very unlike him when he is innocent.

[Tigara]

So my original reason for voting Tigara is flawed.  I would unvote him now because of that and the impulsiveness of my original decision.  But on the other hand, he hasn't unvoted me despite my claim and he has made several posts since then.  That makes me think he's mafia.  Why?  If the Healer is lynched today, it becomes 3 mafia and 3 innocents.  Even if Mynd kills a mafia, it will still be 2-2 tomorrow.  Endgame.

 

I just hadn't bothered to unvote you because I had no one else to move it to and I'm just too lazy to plain unvote because I'm a fan of quick reply. ;D But yes, if anyone non-mafia is lynched today, it's endgame. We have to be certain of who we're are lynching, not just the first blip on the scumdar. As to whom, I'd have to say Danya, Pandy, and Verbal are my top suspects, but I don't have much evidence. Kinda more of a hunch.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow] to my Hybrid happy. ;D

[Myndrunner]

Hmmmm....well you better get to presenting more than a hunch, Tigs.  The burden of proof are on all unrevealed players, and you reamain at the top of my list.  Pffft, too lazy to change your vote indeed.  Were you waiting for your orders from your mafia friends? 

 

We need more than just your hunches, Tigs.  Find us some proof to exhonorate yourself in our eyes, or cast more scumminess on the others.  Otherwise, you are clearly against town.

[Loreina]

Sorry Barm, I thought my vote on Mynd before the lynch was still standing.

And did you mean that Mynd could not use just the red and the green? I think I misunderstood that one too.  :-[

 

I'm not exactly a newbie; I've been in maybe four or five newbie games. But that was quite a time ago. I can't remember well, but I think only one of those had a role like the Vig/assassin type.  And, I'm afraid I don't remember every game, they sorta blend together.  I thought I remembered being in a game where the Healer was killed when she protected the finder. Being a newbie att, I must have misunderstood the process and learned it wrong.

 

I really like this game, and I try hard not to mess up. But it is very challenging, which is exactly why I like it. So, apologies all 'round. I'll try to do better.

 

I'd still like for someone to tell me why they think Mynd killed Lia instead of Tigs. For us to believe the Healer's claim, that's what had to have happened, right? Or have I gotten turned around again?

 

Option One: Healer protected Mynd, but Evils targeted Lia instead. Why would they do this? Perhaps because they figured Mynd would be protected, and they didn't want to waste their kill. Tigs is possibly innocent. This way they get two innocents they think, and the game is theirs. Or if Tigs is evil, they get at least one innocent for sure, as a trade-off for the Evil they couldn't save by killing Mynd.

 

Option Two: Healer protected Mynd, Evils tried and failed to kill him. Mynd kills Lia instead of Tigs. Why? Only if he were an Evil or a SK would he have reason to do this. He would lose all credibility with the innocents. The innocents would decide that he is either Evil or a SK, and they would vote to lynch him. They have the majority; end of SK. Not good for him. If he were an Evil, he saves Tig, kills one of us, and blames it on the Evils. But if that were the case, where is the real assassin?  

 

Option Three: Hybrid has falsely claimed Healer. The Evils decided to go after another innocent, Lia, thinking the Healer would be protecting Mynd and their kill would be wasted. Real Healer still not revealed. Mynd doesn't kill Tigs because he might be an innocent. Suspicion thrown on Mynd by the false Healer. Evils hoping to convince us that Mynd is a SK, so we lynch him. They win the game if he's innocent assassin/Vig.

 

Option two is the least likely I think. If it was option one, the Evils must be kinda ticked off at Mynd. Maybe even enough to try to get him lynched?

 

What! I just tried to post this and I'm back on the list! What smear campaign?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Myndrunner]

Don't worry Lore, I'm much less suspicious of you than I had been before, but Verbal does make a good point about you not being completely exhonorated.  Since no one else has challenged Hybrid's claim to be the healer, I am inclined to believe him. 

 

Don't ever stop with your theories, you have the makings of a very dangeorus mafia player.  Now then, I'm pretty sure at this point that Option #1 is what went down.  The Mafia figured that I would be healed so they didn't want to risk wasting their kill, and targeted Lia.  Notice how Danya was joining in your attack on me earlier and how she has suddenly shifted?  Why do you suppose that is? 

 

If Lore is innocent, then that would mean that one of the following combinations are the Mafia Team:

 

Tigara  Verbal  Cosmic

Danya  Tigara  Verbal

Danya  Tigara  Cosmic

Danya  Verbal  Cosmic

 

Out of the names above, Cosmic Panda has given me the least scummish vibe.  This would lead me to believe that our mafia team is Danya, Tigara, and Verbal.  Verbal is quite scummish for laying so low in this game, which is his mafia tell.  Tigs just reeks of mafia aloofness and he isn't bothering to help the innocents at all.  And Danya....hmmm.....I need to reread, but wasn't she trying to smear me with Lore, then tried to get Hybrid killed, and now she's going after Tigs? 

 

 

[Hybrid]

Loreina, you forgot about option four, the one that bothers me the most (even if it is rather far-fetched).  Mynd is really mafia, and fake-claimed assassin.  The real assassin didn't reveal and decided to NK him to keep his/her identity secret.  Only I protected Mynd, blocking that NK, and the mafia NKed Liathiana.

 

As for my claim, you can doubt it if you want.  But the only remaining member who has not checked in today is cosmicpanda, and everyone else has posted multiple times.  By the same logic, I am reasonably sure Mynd is the assassin because if I'd been the real assassin and my kill was blocked, I would have informed the Healer so that it wouldn't happen again.  In any case, a double assassin claim would be easier to solve than a double Healer claim.

 

I just hadn't bothered to unvote you because I had no one else to move it to and I'm just too lazy to plain unvote because I'm a fan of quick reply. ;D But yes, if anyone non-mafia is lynched today, it's endgame. We have to be certain of who we're are lynching, not just the first blip on the scumdar. As to whom, I'd have to say Danya, Pandy, and Verbal are my top suspects, but I don't have much evidence. Kinda more of a hunch.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow] to my Hybrid happy. ;D

My vote stays.  I don't buy this "I'm too lazy" excuse, especially when you continue by repeating my words of caution. 

 

Also, it may not be endgame if we lynch a vanilla innocent today (depending on how Barm decides things).  That would make it 3-3.  We'd still have a slim chance at winning, but Mynd would have to correctly target a mafia and I would have to protect the right person.  So it would be 3-2 after the night and we'd be essentially back where we started. 

[Myndrunner]

Hybrid, this close to endgame, no one would wait to reveal especially if someone false claimed a role, which is why I am quite sure you are the Healer.  Also, Tigara has done nothing to help advance the game, which is surprising because you and I both know that he is as shrewed powerful as a Heroes Haitian in these games. He also seemed to accept his fate without protesting "you guys are killing an innocent" when it looked like he would be killed by me. 

 

Although it will be game if we make the wrong choice today, the odds are actually greatly in our favor.  With Hybrid and I revealed, the odds of us picking off a mafia are greater, 3/5 actually and better than that if you have been paying attention.  I still would like to hear back from Cosmic Panda before casting my vote.  His public thoughts posted should answer a lot of questions in my mind. 

 

Verbal, on the other hand, I no longer need to hear from you.  I've got a pretty good read on your alignment at this point.  ;)

[Loreina]

Mynd,

Since no one else has challenged Hybrid's claim to be the healer, I am inclined to believe him.  

If I were the real Healer, I wouldn't counterclaim. Cause if we manage to lynch an Evil, I'd have to choose between being NK'd or protecting you. Not good.  :-\

 

 

Hybrid

The real assassin didn't reveal and decided to NK him to keep his/her identity secret.  Only I protected Mynd, blocking that NK, and the mafia NKed Liathiana.

The assassin wouldn't kill an innocent and give the game to the evils. Only a SK would do that.

and

By the same logic, I am reasonably sure Mynd is the assassin because if I'd been the real assassin and my kill was blocked, I would have informed the Healer so that it wouldn't happen again.  In any case, a double assassin claim would be easier to solve than a double Healer claim

 

Inform the Healer? You aren't supposed to be in comms with the other innocents.  ???

 

And Mynd, I don't think that 3/5 stuff is right somehow.

[Loreina]

I just realized I'm assuming again. As I said, I think I've only played one game that had an assassin role in it. Are they allowed to talk to the Healer?

 

I didnt really find anything on Hybrid, so i'm letting him go atm. As of now, I do find [glow=red,2,300]Thorum[/glow] as being the most suspicious. Too much weird stuff going on with him. i'll explain more later, now I have to run and buy gas for the car or I wont get to work  :P

 

Danya put this out right before Thorum bought the farm. She said she would explain more later, but never did. Coming when it did, it seemed odd to me. It seemed like overkill for the situation.  :-\

[Myndrunner]

Mynd,

Since no one else has challenged Hybrid's claim to be the healer, I am inclined to believe him.  

If I were the real Healer, I wouldn't counterclaim. Cause if we manage to lynch an Evil, I'd have to choose between being NK'd or protecting you. Not good.  :-\

 

The Healer must claim at this point in the game.  We cannot lynch an innocent or we lose, plain and simple.  There are 7 of us remaining in play, and three of them are mafia.  By revealing as the Healer and Assasin respectively, Hybrid and I have narrowed down the number of possible mafia to 5 players.  Refusing to counter a false Healer claim at this point is hurting us severely.....especially if it proves Hybrid is a lying liar who lies.  I doubt it.

 

Hybrid

The real assassin didn't reveal and decided to NK him to keep his/her identity secret.  Only I protected Mynd, blocking that NK, and the mafia NKed Liathiana.

The assassin wouldn't kill an innocent and give the game to the evils. Only a SK would do that.

 

True, but I think Hybrid was only pointing that out as a possibility, but I don't think he truly believes thats what went down.  At this point, we all should be on board with the notion that the mafia killed Lia and I didn't send in a vig kill. 

 

and

By the same logic, I am reasonably sure Mynd is the assassin because if I'd been the real assassin and my kill was blocked, I would have informed the Healer so that it wouldn't happen again.  In any case, a double assassin claim would be easier to solve than a double Healer claim

 

Inform the Healer? You aren't supposed to be in comms with the other innocents.  ???

 

I think he means here that he would have outed me publically in the thread if he was the assasin. He would have told the Healer publically in the thread.  Of course, his last statement there bothers me a bit.  But I digest...

 

And Mynd, I don't think that 3/5 stuff is right somehow.

 

With 7 players, two have revealed leaving us with 5 players total.  3 of those players are mafia.  Therefore, we have a 3/5 chance of snuffing out a Mafia in this lynch.  Or, we have a 2/5 chance of killing an innocent, if your mug is half empty intead of half full. 

[Verbal32]

Verbal, on the other hand, I no longer need to hear from you.  I've got a pretty good read on your alignment at this point.  ;)

 

What exactly is that supposed to mean?  This isn't the time to be pointing fingers without support.  I normally wouldn't bother to defend a statement like that and would just call you out for acting like a mafia, but I don't think you are one.  I've said that before, and I believe it.  And due to no other player revealing Healer, I am reasonably sure about Hybrid.  It would be folly for the Healer to stay quiet at this point in the game.

 

I just got done casting suspicion on somebody in the Suras game for feigning ignorance, and I've seen Lor do that here.....and Hybrid is saying that Tigara is doing the same.  That kind of acting is usually enough for me to vote, but I'm a little hesitant right now.

[Hybrid]

Hybrid

The real assassin didn't reveal and decided to NK him to keep his/her identity secret.  Only I protected Mynd, blocking that NK, and the mafia NKed Liathiana.

The assassin wouldn't kill an innocent and give the game to the evils. Only a SK would do that.

What I meant was that Mynd could be mafia fakeclaiming assassin.  In that case, the real assassin could have decided to keep their identity secret and NK Mynd, the mafia fakeclaiming assassin.  The mafia (Mynd and his two evil elf buddies) kill Liathiana, and I protect Mynd, unknowingly blocking the assassin NKing the fake assassin aka mafia.  But like I said, I'm not too sure that's a real possibility right now unless cosmicpanda claims assassin.

 

By the same logic, I am reasonably sure Mynd is the assassin because if I'd been the real assassin and my kill was blocked, I would have informed the Healer so that it wouldn't happen again.  In any case, a double assassin claim would be easier to solve than a double Healer claim

 

Inform the Healer? You aren't supposed to be in comms with the other innocents.  ???

I meant via the thread, but the information would really be to tell the Healer to stop protecting him.  You're right, I wouldn't be PMing him unless we were mafia in this game.

 

I also would really really like to hear cosmicpanda's thoughts.  He (?) has inexplicably gone silent at this point.

[Loreina]

 

I just got done casting suspicion on somebody in the Suras game for feigning ignorance, and I've seen Lor do that here.....and Hybrid is saying that Tigara is doing the same.  That kind of acting is usually enough for me to vote, but I'm a little hesitant right now.

 

Excuse me, but my ignorance is not feigned. Unfortunately.  Speaking of which, could you clarify what you said about Hybrid and Tig? Hybrid is saying that Tigara is casting suspicion or is feigning ignorance? 

 

*nods* I understand, Hybrid. Declaring it in the thread didn't occur to me until Mynd pointed it out. I was thinking that she/he wouldn't want to reveal, at least not until they were in danger of being lynched. But Mynd has made the point that people should reveal to prove the liars are lying. How the assassin role fits into that I don't know.

 

 

[Myndrunner]

Verbal, on the other hand, I no longer need to hear from you.  I've got a pretty good read on your alignment at this point.  ;)

 

What exactly is that supposed to mean?  This isn't the time to be pointing fingers without support.  I normally wouldn't bother to defend a statement like that and would just call you out for acting like a mafia, but I don't think you are one.  I've said that before, and I believe it.  And due to no other player revealing Healer, I am reasonably sure about Hybrid.  It would be folly for the Healer to stay quiet at this point in the game.

 

Whoa! Hold your horses....my statement could have been taken as me being pretty sure you're innocent, but your reaction is having me second guess that now.  I wasn't pointing fingers at you at all....and this is your reaction.  Funny, its the most reaction we've had out of you all game, other than your vague posts.  This is not the innocent Verbal play that I am used to.  I would have expected you to take control by now, but you are content to sit back and not say anything. 

 

It's time for you to take this game a bit more seriously and help us out. Your logical mind is an asset to the town when you are innocent, but you haven't presented any theories or avenues of approach.  Quite frankly, I find you mafia at this point simply because you are not acting like innocent Verbal.  Heck, you didn't even vote on Day 1!!

 

I just got done casting suspicion on somebody in the Suras game for feigning ignorance, and I've seen Lor do that here.....and Hybrid is saying that Tigara is doing the same.  That kind of acting is usually enough for me to vote, but I'm a little hesitant right now.

 

Why are you hesitant to vote?  Right now we need some serious discussion or we will lose this game!

[MsDanya]

I just realized I'm assuming again. As I said, I think I've only played one game that had an assassin role in it. Are they allowed to talk to the Healer?

 

I didnt really find anything on Hybrid, so i'm letting him go atm. As of now, I do find [glow=red,2,300]Thorum[/glow] as being the most suspicious. Too much weird stuff going on with him. i'll explain more later, now I have to run and buy gas for the car or I wont get to work  :P

 

Danya put this out right before Thorum bought the farm. She said she would explain more later, but never did. Coming when it did, it seemed odd to me. It seemed like overkill for the situation.  :-\

 

Forgot it. sorry.

 

I had two reasons for voting Thorum. First of all, this is the silly reason btw, I didnt have much time to read teh thread, as I was on my way to work, so I voted. I voted because I thought Thorum was the most suspicious at the time, he was too inconsistent in his posts. I was proved wrong, so any reasons I might have had is obviously wrong now.

 

Also Mynd, whne did I enter a smear campaign against you? Because I questioned you? as far as I can remember, I havent even voted you. seems more like you're on a whine campaign!!! (sorry, just had to  ;D)

 

My vote still stands for Tigara.

[Loreina]

I was proved wrong, so any reasons I might have had is obviously wrong now.

 

I was just thinking that if you recreated your trail of thought about it, that might shed some light on someone who is evil.

 

 

[Myndrunner]

Vote Count:

 

Tigara (2): Hybrid, Danya

 

What does this tell us?  Danya could be mafia and trying to lynch a mafia so that she can look innocent; or she could be innocent.  I find it interesting that Hybrid and Danya are the only two who have voted....everyone else is reluctant to vote.  Gosh golly, what if Tigara is innocent? 

 

If Tigara were pro-town, he would be making a much stronger effort to help us out, or at least defend himself; but he hasn't and he's not.  If you are not for us, then you are against us.  Im tired of waiting around for Cosmic Panda and it's about time we got off our behinds and made a sound decision!

 

[glow=red,2,300]Tigara[/glow]

 

There, three votes now....and we need only one more to clinch the lynch.  Who will provide the hammer vote for Tigara? 

[Tigara]

Who will provide the hammer vote for Tigara? 

 

I will. [glow=red,2,300]Tigara[/glow] Have fun losing! ;D

[Myndrunner]

Wow.....I'm not sure how to reply to that.  :-\

[Barmacral]

Vote Count:

 

Tigara (2): Hybrid, Danya

[Myndrunner]

Vote Count:

 

Tigara (2): Hybrid, Danya

 

What does this tell us?  Danya could be mafia and trying to lynch a mafia so that she can look innocent; or she could be innocent.  I find it interesting that Hybrid and Danya are the only two who have voted....everyone else is reluctant to vote.  Gosh golly, what if Tigara is innocent? 

 

If Tigara were pro-town, he would be making a much stronger effort to help us out, or at least defend himself; but he hasn't and he's not.  If you are not for us, then you are against us.  Im tired of waiting around for Cosmic Panda and it's about time we got off our behinds and made a sound decision!

 

[glow=red,2,300]Tigara[/glow]

 

There, three votes now....and we need only one more to clinch the lynch.  Who will provide the hammer vote for Tigara? 

 

Barm, did you forget my vote?