White Tower Mafia - Game Over

[Verbal32]

Well I can't prove that either way.  In the same vein, you or Sammy could have been turned as well.

 

There is no way to know without lynching.  If we don't lynch, and they can recruit, they will do so and the game is over, 3-to-3.  If they can't and just missed the deadline, then we should be able to win.  Either way, I really think that lynching today is the only chance we have....

[Naeann]

It would be really unbalanced of Dae to let them have more than one recruit.  Let alone even one.  That being said... true they coulda picked me or Sammy but Cairos would have been more valuable to them.  What sucks about this is Krugs and Spirit being so damned inactive we can't be sure if they just failed to meet the deadline for submitting a kill or if someone got recruited and that's why no kill.

[Verbal32]

I know what you mean.  Based on activity levels so far, I'm willing to take the chance that they simply missed the deadline.  The thing is, I doubt either Krugster or Spirit will be on to vote, so that means the rest of us need to be the 4 for the majority lynch.

[Spirit1025]

I'm here now. I'm going to vote [glow=red,2,300]Krugster[/glow]. I've been a little suspicious of him for a while.

 

Ok. We take out [glow=red,2,300]Krug[/glow] and I'll use my finder's ability on Spirit. That'll even things out.

 

I know you probably won't take my word for it, but viewing me would be a waste. I'm Brown Ajah. Just a roleless innocent. Go ahead and look if you like, though.

[Naeann]

Ok well theres my proof.  Krugster HAS to be our vig which means Verbal is really mafia and recruited Cairos.

[Naeann]

Oops... [glow=red,2,300]Verbal[/glow].

[Verbal32]

Say what?  I'm not following you, Nae.  How does that make me the mafia any more than Krugster or Spirit?  We are talking about 1 recruit potentially, so how is that 1 not you?  If Krugster is the mafia, and he recruited you, wouldn't your statement make more sense?

 

Cause otherwise I have no clue how you get me in there...?

[Naeann]

Lemme esplain.  No there's too much.. lemme sum up...

 

People left in the game:

 

Sammy-mason

Me- mason

Krug-

Verb-

Spirit-

Cairos-finder

 

SOMEONE is a vig because there were nights with two night kills. You aren't claiming that and spirit said she is just a plain old innocent.  Who would that leave?  That's right... Krug.

There was a nk last night.. but it was on a mafia.  So either the  vig hit correctly and the mafia didn't kill anyone... or the mafia sacrificed one of their own.

The mafia would be incredibly lazy and foolish to NOT kill Cairos.... UNLESS they got to recruit him instead.  You are good at this game Verbal... you can't sit there and tell me the mafia would rather recruit a plain old mason than the FINDER of the game.  They can USE the finder.

 

The solo mafia left gets to recruit... he picks the finder who conveniently stalls in saying Dae forgot to get the result to him.  So he can communicate with his new mafia teammate.  Likely because your "mask" is as a red ajah.  Black ajah are of two ajahs... one to hide in and their true ajah.  He had to wait to talk to you to find out what ajah you are of so he would be able to tell us which ajah you are "from". You then pick one of the two unknown inactive players left to try to pin it on. 

 

Scenerio if you will... If I am correct and we still lynch Krugs and he is who I say he is that leaves Me, Sammy, and Spirit as the innocents.

They kill me at night leaving two to two.  GAME OVER.

 

IF they are right and Krugs is evil it's game over... but it doesn't make sense.. WHO is our vig if not Krugs?  Spirit says no and Verbal said nothing about it and Cairos "claims" Verbal is a plain old red ajah.  KRUGSTER IS OUR VIG PEOPLE.

[Verbal32]

Keeping the vig a secret to the Black Ajah is in our best interests.

 

I see what you mean, Nae, but recruiting a Mason is just as good.  With the small amount of people left, it is a reasonable statement to say that Cairos probably wouldn't Find you as you were a confirmed Mason, along with Sammy.  That means Cairos would naturally view either Krugster or Spirit.  By the time he got back to perhaps viewing you, the game would be over.

 

My argument makes just as much sense as yours does.  They both work.  But what if the mafia just missed their kill?  Then Cairos is fine, I'm innocent, and we win by lynching Krugs and Spirit, depending on which is mafia.

 

And how are you buying that Spirit is not the vig - just because she said so? ^^

[Verbal32]

It is now Night 3. Please send in your Night Actions asap. Night 3 will end on Sunday at 5pm BST.

 

This was the last Night phase where Jaydena (Black Ajah) was NKed.  Dae posted the results of this phase Monday morning.  I really think that the Black Ajah missed their NK.  Doesn't this make a little bit of sense, Nae?

[Naeann]

It IS end game babe.  Outting the vig at this point IS in our best interest because that means the other player is mafia.  (unless I'm right about there being two)  Krugs is not on to say one way or the other because he is at work.  I texted him to please check the game when he gets home.  He should at least be allowed to post a defence before he is hung.

 

Recruiting a mason is NOT just as good as recruiting a finder.  In another game the mafia recruited the known finder almost from day one.  I was an innocent and the finder said he found me guilty.  I actually re-read my pm from the mod because i was so dumbfounded that the finder would say i was evil when I wasnt.  He won the game for them because no one doubted him because he was an uncontested finder.

 

If I were mafia that's who I'd recruit... Oh wait.. I did.. In the aiel game.  Who wants a stinkin mason when I can recruit someone who can then "find" someone else guilty and win the game for me?

[Naeann]

Well my theory is shot anyways.... I just looked at page one.  Danya was the vig.  That means we have a solo winner with a NK?  *still glances at Verb*  What power would a Red ajah have?  Psycho?

[Verbal32]

No.  All the Ajahs banded together to destroy the Black Ajah.  I AM Red Ajah, which is why I'm 100% sure that Cairos is a valid and innocent Finder.  He wouldn't have risked making something up, and if I was the Black Ajah, I wouldn't kill one of my own!!!!  That makes me think there were 2 vigs to begin with....perhaps another Green Ajah..

 

I'm still sticking to my theory that the Black Ajah missed the deadline last night.

[Naeann]

IF

THERE

ARE

TWO

VIGS

KRUGS

BY DEFAULT

IS THE

OTHER ONE.

 

What is your power then?  Surely Dae wouldn't make the red ajah AND the brown ajah powerless?

[Verbal32]

Nae, please listen.  How is Krugster the other vig by default?  How is Spirit not lying and she is the vig.  Geesh, how am I not lying and I'm the other vig.  See my point?  I don't know how you are automatically assuming it's Krugster.

[Naeann]

Because IF the black ajah didn't make a kill last night ... SOMEONE did.  Wasn't me wasn't sammy.  Cairos is finder so it wasnt him.  Spirit says shes a plain innocent and you and cairos say you are red ajah but nothing about being a Vig or anything.

 

If that's all true... Krugs could be the only one who coulda killed Jade.  However... I don't buy that there were two vigs. In looking back and seeing thats what Danya was I had to rethink what it could be.  What would be a good power for Dae to give the red ajah?  IF you are telling the truth... and YOU are the one with the NK ability but not a BA then you have no reason to be scared of an inactive ba that didn't even bother to come on and kill the finder.

[Spirit1025]

What would be a good power for Dae to give the red ajah?

 

Yes...what is your power, as a Red, hmm?

[krugster]

eh I would defend myself here but I am insanely busy tonight and just got done working, I don't really have the time or the energy to at this point so I will just let things run there course however they go.

[Samuraiflip05]

We have more than 24 hours remaining, so I will hold off my vote until more debate has run it's course.  Both arguments are both valid and possibly decoy ploys.  I have not played many games yet, but I thought the single player option was for fast games. 

 

And under the circumstances, I would say that a single player killer would be wasting thier efforts on an unconfirmed, as that does the same as the Mafia Kill.  It increases the odds of them being lynched by the confirmed innocents. 

 

Obviously they wouldn't have the ability to NK and Turn on the same night(I hope).  Also eliminating one of their own would not be good at this point either.  Looking at that I think there are a few possiblities to looks at.

 

1. They missed their NK and there is only one.  In this regard I would suspect Krug, because he has made no claims. 

 

2. They used a turning and there are now two. In this Nae could have been turned to help protect Krug.  Cairos could have been turned to protect Verbal. 

 

3. Either spirit or Krug are lying.  Both are inactive enough to have missed a NK.  If Spirit is hiding her Vig/SPK status then Krug is it.  If Krug's silence is a casual defense, then I would still suspect him.  Krug could be as busy as he says, and Spirit could be the one covering by lying, in which case she is it.

 

:-\ I think I have officially confused myself.  :D 

 

My suspicions still lean towards Krug or Spirit.  The question is wether it was more likely that they missed the NK rather than had turn powers. 

[Naeann]

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote...

 

Krugs[/glow].

[Samuraiflip05]

*Crosses his fingers*  :-\

[krugster]

[glow=red,2,300]krugster[/glow]

[Verbal32]

Samurai, I know I'm not Black Ajah, so I'm thinking either #1 or #3.  Depending on the results of this lynch, we'll have to see.

[Naeann]

He really is busy with work but that doesn't mean he's not mafia.  He was on TWICE since votes started on him and said nothing in his defence and voted for himself so ... *shrugs*

[Verbal32]

Well, now we just wait for Dae to come and post the results.