DSage Presents...The Fiddlyn Purge Mafia - GAME OVER!!!

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Please bear in mind that just because Nephi died does not mean she was killed by Mafia--though since we are dealing with two teams here (I'm going to assume since it mentioned a mafia war in Sagey's description), it seems the most likely cause.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Mogs[/glow] has been on my list of suspicious for a long time now. If she can defend herself in time, then I'll be happy to change my vote, but I'll be at a Ren Faire on Saturday, and I have grocery shopping and such to do tomorrow so I don't know how available I'll be. I'll check in at least once.

 

 

[Toy and Minion]

Current Vote Count:

 

Moggy (3) - Thorum, Hybrid, FDM

 

With 10 alive it take 6 votes to Lynch.

 

Deadline will be Saturday 13, 4:30 pm (MST)

[Dark Justice]

I honestly do not think she is evil anymore, so Ill go back to where I was before with

[glow=red,2,300]thorum[/glow].

 

[Dark Justice]

before anyone thinks that sentence is weird, Ill change it.

I do not anymore think she is evil..

or. I have changed my mind. Before I thought she was evil, now I do not.

:P

[Toy and Minion]

Current Vote Count:

 

Moggy (3) - Thorum, Hybrid, FDM

 

Thorum (1) - Dark Justice

 

With 10 alive it take 6 votes to Lynch.

 

Deadline will be Saturday 13, 4:30 pm (MST)

[Thorum]

Something else occured me: what if there's two maffia teams who win when they killed off everyone from the other team?

 

Instead of with a majority of the players?

[Spirit1025]

So Thorum, you're thinking that a mafia team wins in this game by killing off the other mafia team? Rather than by killing the innocents?

[Thorum]

That was my idea. It's still possible.

[Hybrid]

Wouldn't that be unfair for the innocents?  By lynching one mafia team, they'd be doing the other team's work.  The mafia would always win.

[Moghedian]

*Sighs* What is with the inactivity in this game?

There are six of us who are active and four others who..aren't. Yet you want to lynch me? This is a terrible idea for several reasons:

 

1. These games always have at least one more mafia than you think there are. I am innocent, waste a lynch on me and the mafia will soon have a majority.

 

2. Not to insult anyone's mafia abilities, but your reasons for voting to lynch me are groundless. Yes, Barm was mafia, but how does that mean that I am? The grounding for Far voting me is that I have been on her suspicion list for a while. Why? This is the point in a mafia game where you give reasons, not just suspicions.

 

3. Hybrid, Hybrid, Hybrid...Your reason for voting me is flawed in so many ways. Firstly, I voted for someone who I thought was mafia. I gave reasons for my actions and by doing so showed that I thought others should too. There were no other viable candidates to be lynched so I kept my vote on her. She turned out to be innocent, but everyone makes mistakes in this game.

 

4. I would not advise lynching an inactive at the moment as they will give us very little information. Whoever said that it is likely there is a newbie mafia out there had a very valid point, we should watch out for suspicious behaviour...

 

All of this said my vote goes to [glow=blue,2,300]Hybrid.[/glow] I originally put down his bandwaggoning to being a newbie and therefore not completely sure of how to play but as the game progresses I am starting to doubt his innocence. He seems to be agreeing with other players just a bit too much and not giving full reasons for voting. I also think that the possibility of there being a newbie mafia is very likely.

 

In conlcusion, vote for me and you are sacrificing innocent lives; don't vote for me and we can keep searching for mafia.  ;D

 

[Toy and Minion]

I'm going to count that as a vote, but this is the only time.

 

Current Vote Count:

 

Moggy (3) - Thorum, Hybrid, FDM

 

Thorum (1) - Dark Justice

Hybrid (1) - Moggy

 

With 10 alive it take 6 votes to Lynch.

 

Deadline is TOMORROW 4:30pm (MST)

[Sir Redust]

Sorry for my inactivity.  My two sisters both had birthdays this weeks.  I should have said something, and I'm sorry that I didn't, but there it is.

 

I am at a complete loss right now.  The fact that nephitess was innocent wasn't too surprising, but Barmacral being evil, muddles everything.  He was low on my radar (which isn't very good, apparently.)

 

Although I went after Hybrid, I'm not so sure anymore.  I'm going to look back and try to find something.

[Moghedian]

I don't think he was very high on anyone's radar apart from Thorum's, Redust. :)

[Sir Redust]

Well, I haven't found much.  Nothing to implicate anyone, anyways.

 

One thing, something small, caught my attention though.  Naeann.  She has been very quiet.  Okay, maybe I'm not the best person to point a finger at inactivity.  But I've come to understand that it is almost a required trait in the mafia to post as little as possible.

 

Now, inactivity does not make a scum, and there are others that are also inactive, but I just thought it was interesting that an experienced player like herself was a little too quiet. 

 

Man, I feel like such a hypocrite.

 

Thoughts?

[Moghedian]

You raise a very valid point. She has been online quite a lot recently, yet not on this game... ::)

[Naeann]

What would you like me to add that hasn't already been said?  I'm often quiet in the middle of the game because this is where I get lost and have no clue which person is evil or not.  My strong points of the game are when I'm under pressure because mafia skum are trying to hang me.  I've also found out this is how I play it irl.  It gets the same effect.  *sighs* 

[Hybrid]

In response to Moghedian:

 

2. Not to insult anyone's mafia abilities, but your reasons for voting to lynch me are groundless. Yes, Barm was mafia, but how does that mean that I am? The grounding for Far voting me is that I have been on her suspicion list for a while. Why? This is the point in a mafia game where you give reasons, not just suspicions.

 

3. Hybrid, Hybrid, Hybrid...Your reason for voting me is flawed in so many ways. Firstly, I voted for someone who I thought was mafia. I gave reasons for my actions and by doing so showed that I thought others should too. There were no other viable candidates to be lynched so I kept my vote on her. She turned out to be innocent, but everyone makes mistakes in this game.

My reason for voting you was not a WIFOM argument based on Barmacral being mafia, nor was it based on el Nyn being innocent.  Rather, I thought your words and actions conflicted.  You called for more votes yet you were not willing to change your vote to ensure a majority.  You had 29 hours to do so, so different time zones do not apply. 

 

 

All of this said my vote goes to [glow=blue,2,300]Hybrid.[/glow] I originally put down his bandwaggoning to being a newbie and therefore not completely sure of how to play but as the game progresses I am starting to doubt his innocence. He seems to be agreeing with other players just a bit too much and not giving full reasons for voting. I also think that the possibility of there being a newbie mafia is very likely.

I have not bandwagoned excessively.  If you recall, my vote was the first on nephi.  On the Thorum lynch, I did have the third vote, but I also thought I had a decent reason for voting him.  As for voting for you, I have two reasons.  The first is that, as I stated before, I think you are the most suspicious right now.  The second is that Thorum has the best track record in this game with his suspicions of Luthine and Barmacral, and the fact that he agrees concerning your lynch reinforces my suspicions.

 

My vote stays on Moghedian for now.

[Moghedian]

Oh, was this when I was arguing against everyone voting for Nephi? As she seemed to be the only other viable candidate to be lynched and I felt she was innocent (she was) I refused to vote for her. I can't see how that means I should be lynched for refusing to bandwagon on an innocent.

[Hybrid]

In my mind, even the lynching of a suspected innocent is better than a random lynching.  The random lynching could take out the cop or the doctor, and we'd never know as well as never give them a chance to defend themselves.  Neither Thorum nor Redust believed nephi was mafia, but they voted on her to secure a controlled lynch, rather than a random lynch.

 

Also, I noticed then that you changed your mind completely over nephi during Night 3 and decided she was lying.  If you were so convinced that she was innocent Day 3, why the sudden reversal?

 

In addition, I noticed while looking back that Dark Justice had quite the vehement turn around also during Night 3.  Care to explain yourself Dark?

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Moghedian, the reason that I am voting for is not because you have been on my list for awhile, but why you have been on my list for awhile.

 

I am quite familiar with your innocent playing style, and you aren't keeping to that norm. Rather, you are behaving erratically, you are acting extremely defensive, and your activity in this game has not been all that great. That speaks mafia to me. You have behaved in such a fashion in the past and you have turned out evil. Just like when Barm is evil, he is lurks a lot and he keeps his posts short and noncommittal. Just like when Nae is evil, she is noncommittal and plays everyone's best friend. Everyone has a particular behavior when they are innocent and evil. You are welcome to say I'm wrong, and it is entirely possible I am...but in the many games I have played, this is what I have found to work for me.

[Moghedian]

(Addressing each of your paragraphs in order

 

In my mind, even the lynching of a suspected innocent is better than a random lynching.  The random lynching could take out the cop or the doctor, and we'd never know as well as never give them a chance to defend themselves.  Neither Thorum nor Redust believed nephi was mafia, but they voted on her to secure a controlled lynch, rather than a random lynch.

 

Nephi could have been the finder. Controlled lynches can be controlled by the mafia, random mod-kills aren't controlled by anyone. A mafia is much more likely to push for a 'controlled' lynch.

 

I never said that she was guilty. I was just musing on why she was lying. The general rule of mafia is 'lynch all liars' but I strongly suspected that she was an innocent grabbing onto anything that could stop her from being lynched.

 

Hybrid, I really, really hope you haven't just done what I think you might have.  :-\ I wonder if there is a symp role because you just made yourself a definite candidate for it with that last line.

[Sir Redust]

What would you like me to add that hasn't already been said?  I'm often quiet in the middle of the game because this is where I get lost and have no clue which person is evil or not.  My strong points of the game are when I'm under pressure because mafia skum are trying to hang me.  I've also found out this is how I play it irl.  It gets the same effect.  *sighs* 

 

So, let me get this straight.  Your best at play is when you're about be be lynched?  If so, then we may have to try that just to see if you can pin-point the mafias. ;)

 

Quite frankly, I feel like I'm treading unknown waters.  I hope to catch some salmon, but I'm afraid I'm going to be eaten by the Loch Ness Monster.

[Hybrid]

Nephi could have been the finder. Controlled lynches can be controlled by the mafia, random mod-kills aren't controlled by anyone. A mafia is much more likely to push for a 'controlled' lynch.

If she was the finder, she could have revealed to prevent her lynch.  That would be the prudent action, right?  I realize that in a game without a coroner report on the roles, it is a dangerous action because the healer may not still be alive.  Still, she would have a chance at staying in the game to help the innocents.  The same goes for the healer.

 

Also, why is a mafia more likely to push for a "controlled" lynch?  In my mind, that flies in the face of all logic.  With a controlled lynch, we get information: the order of the votes, the voters, the reasons for the votes, the speed of the lynch, and the arguments of the voters and votees.  All of which, to a skilled analyst, can be utilized to find the mafia.  In a random lynch, we get a dead innocent who never gets a chance to defend himself/herself.

 

I never said that she was guilty. I was just musing on why she was lying. The general rule of mafia is 'lynch all liars' but I strongly suspected that she was an innocent grabbing onto anything that could stop her from being lynched.

  True, you did not accuse her of being mafia.  However, neither do you say that you believe she was an innocent in that post.  You simply state that she was lying, leaving your opinion of her alignment open-ended.  Therefore, my interpretation.

 

Hybrid, I really, really hope you haven't just done what I think you might have.  :-\ I wonder if there is a symp role because you just made yourself a definite candidate for it with that last line.

Are you talking about me asking Dark Justice about his actions?  I am suspicious that he pulled off the nephi lynch but then was adamant about her guilt the next night.  However, my vote stays on you for now.  I still suspect you and out of the two suspects, you have the most votes.  We cannot afford random lynches. 

[Sir Redust]

Moggy and Hybrid are really going at each other.  Don't know who to trust.  Either could be telling the truth, or both could, or both could be lying.  What a tangle.

 

Oh, and, just something that was sort of funny to me.  Naeann posted pretty much directly after I posted that.  Just an observation.  For now.  ;)

[Moghedian]

Are you talking about me asking Dark Justice about his actions?  I am suspicious that he pulled off the nephi lynch but then was adamant about her guilt the next night.  However, my vote stays on you for now.  I still suspect you and out of the two suspects, you have the most votes.  We cannot afford random lynches. 

 

Don't worry, I was thinking about something else that he did. It was a misinterpretation on my part.

 

Also, why is a mafia more likely to push for a "controlled" lynch? 

 

Because then they can aim the innocents at the finder/healer and frame the innocent voters afterwards. Not all mafia would vote on the same person, it would be a very risky move.