Ter'angreal Used In Accepted Test

[metria31183]

Does any one have any thoughts on what the rings ter'angreal the novice's enter during the test for Accepted was truly intended for?  It was created during the Age of Legends but what was its orinial purpose?

[Bob T Dwarf]

Probably not that different.

 

The current AS use it as a survival test, with the testers manipulating the environment the testee experiences.  During the AoL it might have been a strategy or war gaming mechanism.  Test out possible scenarios and then make your operational plan based on the one that seemed most promising.

[icspots]

Bob, I don't think the Aes Sedai powering the rings for the Accepted's test are controlling the environment.  From everything we're seen about it the experience one has inside is completely drawn from them and is based on their fears.  I mean I find it hard to believe that several sisters would make Egwene see Elaida as black ajah inside the rings while Elaida was inside the same room as them.

 

The test for the shawl on the other hand is controlled by the women outside the Ter'angreal as they're trying to break the concentration of the testee.

[42Bonzo88]

    I agree with Bob T Dwarf, say it was used by the Green Ajah, to come up with battle scenes of Trollocs and other shadowspawn and you used your strenghts and abilities to combat them to make you stronger and better prepared. For that matter, it could be used for other Ajahs, Yellow could use it to see a delicate "operation" to see how to weave the healing, Grey, different circumstances to a treaty to learn from, etc.

 

[Bob T Dwarf]

icspots -

 

OK, I mixed the two tests up.  But, unless I've totally lost my mind ( a measuable probability ) the same Angreal is used for both tests.  Meaning that the AoL usage might have been as I theorized, anyway.

 

bonzo -

 

During the AoL there weren't any Ajahs such as those today.  I think ( but I could definitely be wrong ) that the actual meaning of ajah is something along the lines of "temporary working group assembled for the purpose of accomplishing a single immediate task."  Ajahs came and went.  Sprang up and dissolved.  All as a temporary  answer to some immediate task.

 

It was only after the Breaking and the establishment of the White Tower that Ajahs ( with a Capital A ) took on the aspects and permanent duties they have now.

[icspots]

icspots -

 

OK, I mixed the two tests up.  But, unless I've totally lost my mind ( a measuable probability ) the same Angreal is used for both tests.  Meaning that the AoL usage might have been as I theorized, anyway.

 

 

They are two different ter'angreal.  Egwene's POV from her testing in TDR comments on the one for shawl testing being somewhere else down there.  I can get quotes from that and the description from Moiraine's test later.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Too tired right now to look it up.

 

Have to quit goofing off and get back to work tomorrow anyway, but the next time a get a day or so to check back in, I'll see what you came up with.

[42Bonzo88]

    Okay, the Ajah's wouldn't have used it if there were none, but it could still have been used the same way by scholars, or anyone who could channel

[Spirit1025]

I don't think you can willingly and consciously cause the ter'angreal to show you a specific scenario like a battle or operation you are about to take part in. In it, someone is made to 'face their fears' three times, once for 'what was', once for 'what is', and once for 'what will be' (my own paraphrasing, I may be slightly off. It seems these fears are drawn from memories, thoughts, and feelings the person inside the ter'angreal has. And some of the future things may have some connection to Tel'Aran'Rhiod or some kind of prophecy, maybe. In Egwene's test, things were mentioned such as her being Amyrlin and not having taken the Oaths. I don't think the sisters channelling would have put that idea in! And I doubt Egwene imagined it herself either. I don't think it was used as as a 'virtual reality' planning system sort of thing.

 

What if in the Age of Legends, it had some sort of psychological application? They seemed to be pretty advanced scientifically/medically. We know that one of the female Forsaken (Semirhage or Graendal? I forget which now, it's been awhile...) was interested in the way the mind works. What if it was used with people who had problems with anxiety/phobias, etc? They could be sent in to face what they were afraid of, and overcome it. Or they could be sent to face a traumatic past experience and find healing from it. They'd only have to be sent through one time, for that. An intriguing thought, it just came to me as I was reading this thread. There's a lot I wish we knew more about. But the mystery is a lot of fun lol.

[balefireruinssteaks]

I wonder if there were different variations of that particular ter'angreal, each one with a specific function. 

 

The Accepted test basically grabs ideas from one's past, present and future and tries to test them to see if their lives are more important than the task of becoming an Aes Sedai.  "this is for what was...what is...what will be" type thing.  The ter'angreal gathers scenarios from one's past, present and future and gears them toward the deepest desires of the person's heart in an attempt to keep them in the ter'angreal.

 

The Aes Sedai testing is different (a different set of rings?  I forget what the Aes Sedai have to do besides the 100 weaves) in that it's specific scenarios gathered from whatever...not specific to the one being tested's life, really.  It's just scenarios that test the concentration and endurance of the one trying to become Aes Sedai.

 

The rings for the Wise Ones are altogether different, showing the person going through the multitude of lives they could live in an attempt to help them shape their lives with wise choices.

 

So I think each ter'angreal has a different function, and not all can be directly manipulated like the Aes Sedai testing.

[Daphilip]

I'm in a re-reading and just read about when Nynaeve did her accepted test. When she did it, stuff happened that wasn't supposed to happen. stuff like, she got scars from it, she could use the OP, and didn't the way back disappear so she managed to summon it back again with the OP when she did the last test?

 

Has this been explained so I missed it or something?

 

Just wondering...

[BrainFireBob]

Couple of possibilities, really.

 

It could be related to the Wise One's ter'angreal.

 

I don't remember if it was activated by channelling. If it is, it may not work "correctly" due to how they channel into it- especially if it relied on the standing flows.

 

The Chair of Remorse is pretty clearly a VR entertainment device manipulated to new effect- quite possibly, the Accepted ter'angreal was a fantasy simulator, and due to how it's "turned on," shows fears instead of desires. Or maybe it too, was a VR device.

 

Weaves which alter its ability to read your mind would then potentially result in it overloading and causing burnout.

 

Perhaps it shows you your expectations, and if the first Aes Sedai into it expected it to be fearful and dangerous- it therefore was.