Funny Contridiction

[Corbett]

I was re-reading TGH and i came accross a very amussing statment in the conversation between Siuan and Moiraine.

"Tetsuan and Binwhin were kept in the White Tower as servants. Scullery maids, who could be pointed to as cautions as to what can happen to the mightiest. No one can rally around who must scrub floors and pots all day. Pity her yes, but not rally to her."

I just thought that it was funny that Egewne is disproving her as we speak.

[42Bonzo88]

    I agree completely and it shows how the Aes Sedai put themselves on such a high level that a serving person is not worth noticing except for pity. That's why I really think Mesanna might be a servant. How better to hide?

    Siuan does the same thing in TDR when Alanna wants to share Egwene's time in the kitchens, when the Angreal goes bad during Egwene's test for accepted.

    Now, Egwene is creating her own following. Classic!!

[Asmo]

A Forsaken would never tolerate being treated as a serving maid in the White Tower. Let alone a Novice. Or even an Accepted, for that matter. She's one of the Aes Sedai, and the higher-up ones. But one that keeps a low profile. We know she's not an Ajah head, and we can guess she's not a Sitter, or the Keeper. That leaves a great load of people, though. I once read a full analysis that narrowed it down to two, but I can't be bothered to look it up again now.

[42Bonzo88]

    I'm not disagreeing, because it's just what I think (concerning Messanna), but it has happened before. Moghedien, posed as a servant in the palace where she met Nynaeve. Then went to Liandrin and the rest of her renegades. So, you may be right and if you are more power to you. I just think it would be easier to hide as a servant.

[Asmo]

Moghedien was renowned for employing underhanded tactics - she'd have no qualms for posing as a servant if it was neccessary, and I doubt she was much of a servant in a palace full of her own underlings. Anyway, I'm not excluding the possibility, just saying that I doubt it. Especially in the White Tower, where you'd actually have to do stuff and not be able to channel your way out of them, unless you bothered to invert every single weave you did.

 

Besides, why... pose as a servant? She was a channeler, in the White Tower. She could easily pass for a full sister, all she'd have to do was keep some of her power hidden. That way she'd have access to everything in the Tower without unneccessary trouble. Which would justify exactly why she chose to hide in the Tower to begin with.

[Luckers]

I agree with Asmo that its unlikely she's a servant--especially given that when Alviarin breaks the disguise briefly she sees Mesaana to be wearing silk.

 

I once read a full analysis that narrowed it down to two, but I can't be bothered to look it up again now.

 

I'm guessing that the two it winnowed it down to was Tarna and Danelle. There was once a strong argument for Tarna, but she was disproven as of the release of KoD leaving Danelle as the only really suggestion.

 

Danelle matches descriptions of Mesaana in terms of height and colouring, which we know to be nessasary to maintain a solid illusion. She is noted to have no friends in the Tower, which makes her a very sensible person to replace. She is brown, and Mesaana was wearing bronze skirts. More significant is her role in Siuan's downfall--it was she who brought in the masons who were directly responsible for escalating the chaos in the Tower into actual warfare, then following the split Danelle slides easily back into obscurity.

 

Tarna's was not as strong--she too matches the descriptions of Mesaana, and she behaved wierdly with Nynaeve and disapeared for a long stretch of time, plus the Forsaken chapter icon appeared in the chapter in which she first appeared though there were no Forsaken in it... but KoD disproves her completely.

 

 

[Guest Dreadlord]

Heres another one, one that happens in every single book.

 

QUOTE

The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of time. But it was a beginning

UNQUOTE

 

The wind was a beginning, but you just said there are no beginnings.

[Luckers]

Actually that makes a lot of sense--its not THE beginning--there were events before it, and with cyclical time that would always hold true--but it is a beginning of a certain sequence of events.

[Guest Dreadlord]

Yes I know but it sounds funny "There are no beginnings, but its a beginning."

[RAND AL THOR]

Actually that makes a lot of sense--its not THE beginning--there were events before it, and with cyclical time that would always hold true--but it is a beginning of a certain sequence of events.

 

Agreed. There should have been two words in italics in that sentence. If it had been written this way many people would have understood it perfectly:

 

The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.