Setalle Anan = Brown Ajah

[moratcorlm]

I have serious doubts about the timing of that, of a DF coming directly after learning the weave just to heal Cyndane from being stilled or burnt out.

Oh, not at all. The Black Ajah are still Aes Sedai, after all, and they have the interests that drove them into a particular Ajah. Every Yellow in Salidar watched Nynaeve demonstrate the weave, along with a number of other sisters. Consider that after Egwene taught them Traveling, they were disappearing to wherever they wished for many weeks before Cyndane appears. And that's not even to say Moghedien didn't observe it before she was released. Consider what Moridin thinks in TPOD2: "These barbarous rustics offered too many surprises. A way to Heal being severed, however imperfectly." He knows of the treatment in the same timeframe Cyndane was introduced. Consider the (Asha'man?) guard you saw performing tasks for Moridin. Consider that Aran'gar was specially tasked to observe and report on (and control) the rebels; she would certainly have sent one of her Blacks if one was demanded. The Shadow's become much more centralized and well-informed under the Nae'blis. I don't think that position can be discounted at all.

The answer is more likely to be found with the Aelfinn, in my opinion, after all, that's where she and Moiraine went, so I'm gonna guess your answer in ToM might have to do with Mat and Thom and the Tower of Ghenji. I'll read it closely then :)

Well, you inferred that, I didn't imply it. There's a lot more to TOM than just the Tower of Ghenjei. And Lanfear and Moiraine entered by the Eelfinn portal, anyway, even if "the Aelfinn and the Eelfinn held" Cynfear. Besides, we have no indication that the 'Finns are capable of manipulating the One Power. Rand held them off pretty easily with his laser sword in TSR, right?

 

The FAQ page on Cyndane has a pretty good summary, and hasn't been updated yet.

[Tollieman]

Honestly, I also thought the healing process was physical... Not to get into an argument, but yes your soul appears in TAR, this actually happened in the waking world. And didn't Nynaeve say she bridged the gap with Earth (which is the major reason I thought it was physical)? I mean, why would earth work on the soul? Of course, she didn't exactly pick up material earth and patch him up, so yeah, in this world it could easily have been the soul she's patching up.

 

Still think it was physical. Just my opinion, no need to include me in the sarcastic 'champ' camp

[Monte]

(laughs) you guys are just more progressed in the series than me, no fair coming at me with insight I don't have yet! Your points are valid enough, I just reserve skepticism to the timing until I find out for myself! I can't read the thread anymore though, I think it is gonna start to be a spoiler if we keep discussing it, unless you are misleading me on purpose!

[Mats Spare Hat]

The Innkeeper, in the parlor, with the candlestick that is not a candlestick!

[mb]

Not sure if this has been suggested before, but I think Setalle Anan was the brown sister discussed in a previous book; the one who burned herself out while testing ter'angreal...  That's why she showed such an interest in Mat's medallion.  After which she admitted to being Aes Sedai and leaving the tower only for her husband to save her life by taking her in, etc.

 

Agree/Disagree?

 

Do you think she'll get healed and be able to channel again?

Like posted before, she was Martine Janata. But her Ajah is unconfirmed (up through Gathering Storm).

 

As for healing, burned out victims have not been tested on-screen up through Gathering Storm.

[Luckers]

It's not confirmed one hundred percent that she was Martine, though it is very likely. Here is my entry in the FAQ about this.

 

2.2.4: What's the deal with Setalle Anan? Is she "the one who is no longer"? --Revised

 

[revised by James Luckman]

 

The short answer is, she is a woman who used to be Aes Sedai.

 

"You were Aes Sedai, once,'' he said quietly, and her hand froze.

 

She recovered herself so quickly that he might have imagined it. She was stately Setalle Anan, the innkeeper from Ebou Dar with the big golden hoops in her ears and the marriage knife dangling hilt-down into her round cleavage, about as far from an Aes Sedai as could be. "The sisters think I'm lying about never having been to the Tower. They think I was a servant there as a young woman and listened where I shouldn't have."

 

"They haven't seen you looking at this." He bounced the foxhead once on his hand before tucking it safely back under his shirt. She pretended not to care, and he pretended not to know she was pretending.

 

Her lips twitched into a brief, rueful smile, as if she knew what he was thinking. "The sisters would see it if they could let themselves," she said, as simply as if she were discussing the chances of rain, "but Aes Sedai expect that when . . . certain things . . . happen, the woman will go away decently and die soon after. I went away, but Jasfer found me half starved and sick on the streets of Ebou Dar and took me to his mother." She chuckled, just a woman telling how she met her husband. "He used to take in stray kittens, too. Now, you know some of my secrets, and I know some of yours. Shall we keep them to ourselves?"

 

[KoD; 9, A Short Path]

 

 

Is She the One Who is No Longer?

 

"The key to finding the bowl is to find the one who is no longer." [LOC: 19, Matters of Toh, 312]

 

Well, they found the bowl. "The one who is no longer" is still a mystery. So we should be saying, "the key to finding the one who is no longer is to find the bowl."

 

Aside from the clean logic of a woman who used to be Aes Sedai being someone 'who is no longer', there is the fact that if we look for one single person who was key to finding the Bowl of the Winds the most likely candidate is Setalle Anan, the innkeeper of The Wandering Woman. El and Ny's meeting with her set off the chain of events that led to finding the Bowl. (Anan introduced them to the Kin, who they got Mat to spy on, and when Mat followed one of them, she led him to the six-storied building where the Kin's stash of *angreal was.)

 

Was She Burned Out or Stilled?

 

Anan is most probably a burn out--her attitudes do not match that of a criminal; she is not furtive or secretive, displays no shame (and at times seems disdainful of the other Aes Sedai) none of which matches a woman who was severed due to a crime. Indeed whilst she would prefer the Aes Sedai not know who she was, she doesn't go largely out of the way to ensure that they do not. That seems more discomfort than shame at work.

 

In addition it is clear that the AS are not keeping tabs on Anan, and we know that AS tend to avoid Sisters who are severed accidentally. AS who are stilled for some crime, on the other hand, are often kept around the Tower to serve as examples.

 

A Kin Timeline

 

In [ACOS: 24, The Kin, 404]:

 

"Remember who she is, Garenia," Reanne said sharply. "If Setalle had betrayed us, we would be crawling to Tar Valon, begging forgiveness the whole way....She has kept the few secrets she knows from gratitude, and I doubt that has faded. She would have died in her first childbirth if the Kin had not helped her. What she knows comes from careless tongues...and the owners of those tongues were punished more than twenty years ago."

 

Which provides us with a lower limit. Setalle had been severed prior to twenty years ago.

 

Then we have the Garenia evidence: When Anan meets Garenia, she says: "Your name is Garenia? You look very much like someone I met once. Zarya Alkaese." [ACOS: 23, Next Door to a Weaver, 395]

 

Garenia puts her off by saying that Zarya Alkaese was her great-aunt, but we find out in [TPOD: 28, Crimsonthorn, 542] that Garenia is Zarya Alkaese herself, and ran away from the Tower seventy years ago. This provides us with an upper limit--Setalle was still at the Tower seventy years ago. So the timeline established is that Setalle was severed some time between twenty and seventy years ago.

 

Could she be Martine Janata?

 

Vandene mentions Martine to Elayne whilst warning her of the dangers of studying ter'angreal.

 

"She was the last sister to really make a business of studying ter'angreal... She did it for forty years, almost from the time she reached the shawl.... Then one day, Martine's maid found her unconscious on the floor of her sitting room. Burned out.... That was more than twenty-five years ago.... She vanished once she was well enough to slip out of the Tower." [TPOD: 2, Unweaving, 75-76]

 

The timing makes this possible, as explained by John Hamby:

 

1. The timing of her burning out leaves five years for her to wander, meet her husband and get pregnant in order to fit the kin's statements of when Setalle gave birth to her first child.

 

2. Martine Janata was raised to the shawl over sixty-five years ago, placing her in training at the same time as Zarya Alkaese.

 

Also it is a bit too pat that we get the story of one such sister that provides us with a chronology that fits the criteria to be Setalle Anan--burn outs are rare. Two such with such perfect timing seems unlikely.

 

Vandene makes clear Martine's fascination with ter'angreal--she studied them for forty years despire the dangers. In KoD we witness Setalle around ter'angreal.

 

"Joline must have tried to stop you. and Teslyn and Edesina as well, but whatever they did failed. I think that means you possess a ter'angreal that can disrupt flows of the Power. I've heard of such things-Cadsuane Melaidhrin supposedly had one, or so rumor said- but I've never seen the like. I would very much like to. I won't try to take it away from you, but I would appreciate seeing it."

 

[KoD; 7, A Cold Medallion]

 

"Could I see it? Just to see?"

 

There was no doubt what she meant. He hesitated, then fished in the neck of his shirt for the leather cord that held the medallion. He could not have said why. He had refused Joline and Edesina even a glimpse. It was a fine piece of work, a silver foxhead nearly as big as his palm. Only one eye showed, and enoughdaylight remained to see, if you looked close, that the pupil was half shaded to form the ancient symbol of Aes Sedai. Her hand trembled slightly as she traced a finger around that eye. She had said she only wanted to see it. but he allowed the touching. She breathed out a long sigh.

 

[KoD; 9, A Short Path]

 

Setalle shows a similar fascination to Mat's ter'angreal that one could see prompting a woman to study something so dangerous for upwards of forty years.

 

Conclusions

 

From the simple description of Setalle as one who is no longer Aes Sedai, combined with the role she played in finding the bowl, it seems certain that Setalle is the fulfilment of the Wise One's dream. From there the timelines in play combined with the similar fascination displayed by both woman towards ter'angreal make it very likely that Setalle is also Martine Janata.

[Guest EduMorel]

New on this forum, so not sure if this suggestion has been posted earlier. I do agree with the idea that Setalle Anan was Martine. But I don't think she was burned out. I think the angreal she was working with, changed her ability to channel the femal half of the power into an ability to channel the male half of the power.

 

There is this eposide in Ebou Dar where they all try out the a'dam, but when the a'dam is tried in combination with Setalle Anan. This looks an awfull lot like the situation, as discribed when the Sanchean sometimes for fun put on a'dam on some man. Here too, sometimes those man suffer because of the a'dam. I think they are man who can be learned to channel.

[Terez]

There is this eposide in Ebou Dar where they all try out the a'dam, but when the a'dam is tried in combination with Setalle Anan. This looks an awfull lot like the situation, as discribed when the Sanchean sometimes for fun put on a'dam on some man. Here too, sometimes those man suffer because of the a'dam. I think they are man who can be learned to channel.

They are, but what does that have to do with Setalle? They were testing to see if Setalle could feel anything through the bracelet, and to see if Joline could move away from it. If no sul'dam is wearing the bracelet, then the damane can't move more than a pace or so without getting violently ill. Setalle wearing the bracelet didn't prevent this. If she could channel saidin (which is ridiculous; no offense), then both of them would have been screaming in pain.

[mb]

As far as I am aware, nothing can change a saidar channeler to a saidin channeler or vice versa.

[Zentari]

As far as I am aware, nothing can change a saidar channeler to a saidin channeler or vice versa.

This.If it did, it would require a ter'angreal capable of altering the soul in a fundamental level.

[francy]

I just think it's an interesting coincidence that Setalle Anan was in Ebou Dar, is the brown sister who loved Ter'Angreal, and Ebou Dar had a huge cache of angreal/ter'angreal in it..

 

I have a feeling if she gets healed she's going to bust out a few ter'angreal at the last battle and surprise us :)

 

I think you are absolutely right, and I really REALLY hope she does get healed! Its one of the things I really want to see happen...

 

:-)

[mb]

The current books do not tell Martine Janata's Ajah.

Brown right now is no more than just a possibility. Green or Blue might be other possibilities.

 

 

Edit:: It would be nice to see Setalle Anan Healed.