Training a damane

[Theandrin]

So I have been thinking about this for quite a while now and wanted to share. How is it possible for Sul'dam to train a damane? We know that Sul'dam can channel, however much they refuse to admit it. I guess what im saying is, how do the sul'dam train them?

 

From what we have seen of Egwene, her Sul'dam told her to imagine that tree burning, or something along those lines. So is that how they train thier Damane? If so, is this a way to relearn the lost weaves? If you want something hard enough and think about it happening, will the weaves just flow together for you?

 

I've been thinking about how the AOL channelers would have found new weaves without dying the in process, and this could work.

[Dragon21]

I don't think they are teaching anything they didn't know (since they can channel too) or anything that wasn't learned from previous damane. I am sure they can make leashed ones tell them how they did stuff so they can teach the others.

 

I think wanting something and thinking on it so hard, only helps in the world of dreams, not in learning a new weave.

[madoc comadrin]

It's probably most likely that they learn from looking on other damanes, because then they can ses what they do, and just copy it. Just like Alivia is doing :P

[trakand_01]

this may have been answered somewhere else, however I just wondered; how do the Sul'Dam go about getting the Damane to attack, if the Damane are AS, who are still bound by the 3 oaths?

 

I presume this is why Liandrin took Accepted / Novices rather than fully fledged AS when she led Egwene / Nynaeve / Elayne to the waygate but I just wondered?

[RobertAlexWillis]

I just wondered; how do the Sul'Dam go about getting the Damane to attack, if the Damane are AS, who are still bound by the 3 oaths?

 

They can't. I know you haven't read Knife of Dreams yet, but there's a good example of it in there ... the damane Mylen (who is Sheraine Caminelle) was (is, I suppose) an Aes Sedai captured at Falme and trained by Tuon.  She cannot violate any of the Three Oaths, but is still useful because of her ability to Heal and other knowledge.

 

I presume this is why Liandrin took Accepted / Novices rather than fully fledged AS when she led Egwene / Nynaeve / Elayne to the waygate but I just wondered?

 

Liandrin took Egwene and Nynaeve because Ishamael ordered her to, in order to prevent them from being able to help Rand.  She took Elayne because Elayne tagged along ... she had other plans for Elayne originally (presumably her death).

[Luckers]

As to how the sul'dam initially train the damane, from Nynaeve we know that the a'dam allows for both allowing the damane to channel on their own, and for the sul'dam to actively control the weaves. Thus my guess is that at first training involves the sul'dam weaving with the damanes power, whilst the damane learns. Later in training it seems to involve much more co-operation and individual weaving from the damane--which makes sense, for whilst damane are weapons they are still intelligent, and ignoring that completely merely lessens their prospective effectiveness as a weapon.

 

This is backed up by Bethamin and Seta, who display knowledge of how to weave once they begin channeling on their own. My guess is that the incident with the tree and Egwene was more of a lesson about control. The first step in asserting dominance is getting them to obey you of their own volition.

[Dhaos]

I think the better question is this: who trains the sul'dam?

 

You'd almost think there would be a 'learner's a'dam'- two bracelets, one collar, (much like the male a'dam) that would allow an experienced sul'dam to guide a newbie.

 

Perhaps the damane could even wear a smock embroidered not just with lightning bolts, but the following: "Warning: Student Sul'dam.  May make sudden stops!"

 

But seriously, how do these women get the experience they need to make effective use of such an esoteric ter'angreal?

 

 

Oh, and a nod of respect to Luckers and RAW.  I've been a long-time lurker, and I greatly respect you guys.

[icspots]

But seriously, how do these women get the experience they need to make effective use of such an esoteric ter'angreal?

 

The same way people learn to train animals.  You learn from someone who's already done it (the basics) and then once you're leashed you can see how everything you've been taught works out (i.e. sensing their feelings, being able to make them weave something).  It's possible that they give an experienced damane to an inexperienced Sul'dam in order to teach the Sul'dam the weaves.