How will Rand seal the bore?

[aevogt]

Rand will not seal the Bore.

 

The bore will not only be torn open, the dark one’s prison will be completely destroyed. 

 

That’s why the seals must be broken, to free the DO, destroy the prison, and signal the start of TG.

 

On the ground, the forces of the light will engage in a three pronged battle against the denizens of the Blight, dreadlords and darkfriends.

 

Logain and the bulk of the Black Tower (now free of DF influences as a result of The Great Purge) accompanied the Aiel and the Seanchan (under command of Mat and the Band), will enter into the blight from the east, from Arad Doman (where he was sent at the end of KoD) and head for Shayol Ghul, slaughtering everything in their path.  Yeah, go man go.

 

Perrin and Faile will lead the 200,000 men of the five borderland armies north through the center along with what they glean from the Two Rivers and Ghealdan.  Mat bets Perrin a coke he gets to TG first.  The borderlanders follow Perrin since Davram Bashere and his neice, Tenobia, were both killed by Gray Men (or the Gholam) and he and Faile are the new leaders of Saldea.  Perrin puts Faile in her place in front of Ethanelle to prove it.  Then he pokes her mother inthe chest with his index finger.  Loial and Elder Haman lead 10,000 seriously cheesed off Ogier.

 

Lan’s forces, under the command of the Amyrlin Seat, which will contain not only expatriate Malkiere, but the Whitecloaks and the armies of the East, will do much the same but will enter through Tarwin’s Gap.  Egwene’s dream of the Seanchan attacking the tower comes true shortly after TG except she and Mat are on opposite sides since Mat is really sick of Aes Sedai by this point.

 

Very much like the battle with Ba’alzamon at Toman Head, Rand will be present at all battle lines as he fights the DO in the sky while he simultaneously battles Shaidar Haran on the slopes of Shayol Ghul while the Moon passes in front of the Sun.  Except this time, a newly freed Moraine has shown him how to access and use the True Power, which she learned how to do without the DO's permission, during her time with the Foxes.  He kills SH using the TP (since he can’t use the One Power there) but the strain causes both wounds in his side to break through Damer Flinn’s ward and his blood splashes everywhere.  He dies.  Shayol Ghul implodes.  The DO is sent reeling with the loss of his worldly body.  (Think of Darth Vader at the end of “A New Hope” still powerful but ineffective in an out of control Tie-Fighter.)

 

At this point, Gandalf shows up on the back of a giant eagle and carries him…no wait, that’s a different book. Heh heh heh

 

Lews Therin and Rand duke it out in Rand’s mind and when LTT dies (just like Rand promised him) in the mind battle, (fulfilling the Snakes prophecy “to live you must die” sort of) Rand is returned to the smoking crater that was Shayol Ghul and weaves a new prison using the Choedan Kal through the access key to seal the DO away from mankind thereby creating a pristine jail into which a bore can be drilled when the end of the second age comes again.  Think of the flat square they used on the villains from Krypton. 

 

Exit our hero through the front door, stage left.

 

[Tamia Sedai]

Sorry but I REALLY STRONGLY disagree with aevogt's theory (especially the Coke part lol).

 

I think that even though the pattern seems to repeat itself, I think that Rand must do something this time that will completely seal out the DO forever because why else would the story be focusing on THIS time, just to have it reapeat itself an Age later?

 

As was said in earlier posts, I think that since the Aiel are the People of the Dragon, and in the prophecies it says that the "Dragon's blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul will wash away the shadow" then the lots of the Aiel will be killed in TG and their blood will be the blood refered to in the prophecy. (phew... lots of words)  This is also refered to when it says in the prophecies of the Dragon that the Aiel will be broken and only a remnant of a remnant will remain.

 

I think that then singing and the OP will be used to heal the lands and to seal the Bore completely.

 

I know I am repeating a lot said in earlier posts but I just wanted to say this because I don't agree with a lot in these later posts.  :)

 

Also, singing is mentioned a LOT in the books, which I'm rereading now, and it's either because singing will come up and be important or RJ just liked singing.

[Eldur]

    There are so many theories on this subject there is no way I could hold them all inside my skull. I, how ever have had a theory ever since Rand started that shool of science way back in the day.

    You see, one of Rand's greatest qualities is his ability to care about people. I do not believe it is his intention to simply defeat the dark one by sealing the bore, 'though it is most certainly a large part of his plans. Rand wants to stop the breaking, I am fairly sure self preservation is not a consideration to him any longer. Rand grew up a farm boy, his priorities are simple/much like himself. Since the the one power destroyed the world once, what if, the world could be stilled, cut off from the source? Which is interesting since Nyneve figured out how to cure stilling, but that is another subject.

    I invision the world of WoT as a place where there are great legends about magic filled stories long past. All the while the people become more technicly advance, becoming much like the world we live in. Me, you, and everyone is left with nothing but a memory of light. Food for thought.

[Cabriana]

    There are so many theories on this subject there is no way I could hold them all inside my skull. I, how ever have had a theory ever since Rand started that shool of science way back in the day.

    You see, one of Rand's greatest qualities is his ability to care about people. I do not believe it is his intention to simply defeat the dark one by sealing the bore, 'though it is most certainly a large part of his plans. Rand wants to stop the breaking, I am fairly sure self preservation is not a consideration to him any longer. Rand grew up a farm boy, his priorities are simple/much like himself. Since the the one power destroyed the world once, what if, the world could be stilled, cut off from the source? Which is interesting since Nyneve figured out how to cure stilling, but that is another subject.

    I invision the world of WoT as a place where there are great legends about magic filled stories long past. All the while the people become more technicly advance, becoming much like the world we live in. Me, you, and everyone is left with nothing but a memory of light. Food for thought.

 

Interesting theory but I can't say that I agree with it. Rand is trying to stop the unraveling of the pattern. The One Power causes the Wheel to spin, and the wheel weaves the pattern. So if the world was cut off from the OP, the wheel couldn't weave the pattern.

 

I agree that the coming age is a technological one. The technologu that's being created is independant of the OP, but why can't they co-exist? Rand is addicted to the Saidin as anyone else, why would he want to cut anyone off from it?

[Eldur]

    The one power drives the pattern the wheel weaves, very good point. Pointedly a perfect A.S. response. My previous post was simply a question meant to expand thought concerning the question at hand. "How will Rand seal the bore?" As to my theory the world can be cut off from the OP by cutting off the people who wields it from being able to percieve it. Alot like they way the dark one changed the way men related to the male half of the source by tainting it. This may be a subject for a different post.

[aevogt]

I'm just not buying the singing theory.  The song the Tinkers search for is the song that the Aiel sung with the Ogier in the age of legends to assist the Nym in "crop management" for lack of a better phrase.  They abandonded the task of caring for the objects of the power to search for it and that is why, even though they follow the way of the leaf, they are no longer aiel, though they are closer than those who call themselves aiel in the third age.  They would be a step away from the Jenn.  To them it's inportant, but to everyone else, it's just a song.

 

We have already seen that the song didn't help the thousands of Aiel who tried to defend a city with it.  Granted, they helped a lot of people escape, but they all died for their trouble, along with the city.

 

Also, the Nym are all dead and they were the true focus of that power. 

[cloglord]

I'm just not buying the singing theory.  The song the Tinkers search for is the song that the Aiel sung with the Ogier in the age of legends to assist the Nym in "crop management" for lack of a better phrase.

 

And you can prove that "crop management" was the sole use for the Song?

 

They abandonded the task of caring for the objects of the power to search for it and that is why, even though they follow the way of the leaf, they are no longer aiel,

 

That and they have spent the past 3,000 + years interbreeding with every other culture in randland, making any genetic charcteristic of that culture, (like say the Voice ability) so dilluted that it doesn't appear in their population. 

 

We have already seen that the song didn't help the thousands of Aiel who tried to defend a city with it.  Granted, they helped a lot of people escape, but they all died for their trouble, along with the city.

 

Um, their singing intriqued him so much that it allowed thousands of citizens escape in time.  I'd say that the song DID help to defend those people, and in the eyes of those Aiel, I think that they were glad to sacrifice themselves, in their appointed time, to save lives and prevent violence.

 

Also, the Nym are all dead and they were the true focus of that power. 

 

Did you read any of the earlier posts where this was adressed?  There is clearly something of the greenman left in the oak, as per Lioal, and there is clearly something of the magic of his garden left, as per the quote I provided from the end of TEotW.  As for the assertion that the Nym was the focus of that power, I'll wait for something more substantial than your say-so.

[aevogt]

I'm fairly certain that the singing intrigued him because he was insane so we would be more accurate to say it distracted him from destroying the city until it was gone, when he killed the last singer.

 

However, 

 

"That and they have spent the past 3,000 + years interbreeding with every other culture in randland, making any genetic charcteristic of that culture, (like say the Voice ability) so dilluted that it doesn't appear in their population."

 

This is intriguing and I've made a note for my next reread.  I never considered that the singing aspect to be important.  As in "maybe the aiel still have the latent ability and it will surface at TG"  I'm still not convinced, but... I can't just explain it away.  Now I'm curoius.

 

As for the Green Man, My honest opinion, just an opinion, is that the blight was creeping into the remains of the green man's garden and the only thing that stopped it was the orier song, which does have great power. 

 

[cloglord]

This is intriguing and I've made a note for my next reread.  I never considered that the singing aspect to be important.  As in "maybe the aiel still have the latent ability and it will surface at TG"  I'm still not convinced, but... I can't just explain it away.  Now I'm curoius.

 

A few things to consider on that re-read.

1. Adulthood and being male were requirements for AoL Aiel Singers.

2. Adult male Aiel in the modern day ONLY sing songs about violence or its aftermath

3.  No tinker's have EVER heard the Aiel sing.

4.  Urien, the Aiel from TGH, quotes Aiel prophecy by saying that, * "When the Trollocs come out of the Blight again, we will leave the Three-fold Land and take back our places of old."

5.  The trollocs, excepting a few special circumstances, have not yet "come out of the blight," and at this point are not likely to until TG.

6.  Their "places of old." were places as followers of the leaf and Singers of the Song.

 

As for the Green Man, My honest opinion, just an opinion, is that the blight was creeping into the remains of the green man's garden and the only thing that stopped it was the orier song, which does have great power. 

 

Yet this is directly refuted by Loial himself.  We know he is one of the most talented treesingers alive, and he describes his efforts as the longest and hardest singing he's ever done.  Then he goes on to say that he could not have done it, "if something of the treebrother had not remained."  So Loial, the expert in just how much power treesinging can convey, says that his own efforts would have fallen short.