RAGNAROK AVERTED - TOWN WINS (Including EP)

[Gabriel Kross]

Just now, Leyrann said:

 

You're saying you know he could only have shot Dice.

 

That's either your role or someone else's role that you're aware of either by your role or by a QT.

And considering the whole reason I know Duke shot Dice was because Kat's death was redirected as I said, your logic astounds me. 

[Andrej]

1 minute ago, Leyrann said:

 

You're saying you know he could only have shot Dice.

 

No, he’s assuming a lot based on speculation.

[Andrej]

Just now, Eternal Phoenix said:

And considering the whole reason I know Duke shot Dice was because Kat's death was redirected as I said, your logic astounds me. 

 

You don’t know it though. You’re guessing.

[Andrej]

Duke isn’t cleared yet for me but your theory has holes in it.

 

Him shooting Dice is a guess based on what you think he might’ve said or hinted at.

 

Him not being a target of any sort is decent info though.

[Gabriel Kross]

On 5/11/2018 at 8:59 PM, Duk3star said:

Andre, 

 

who should I target tonight. Please seperate your suggestions into the following categories:

 

Mafia KP:

Town KP:

Investigative:

Protective:

Manipulative:

Other:

 

TIA. 

 

On 5/11/2018 at 9:01 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

 

 

dude   too hard.  we do it this way

 

 

all right peeps 

 

Cop

Doc

Vig

 

time.  who would you do each of these too?

 

On 5/11/2018 at 9:04 PM, Duk3star said:

 

No, if I'm mafia who should I kill tonight? 

 

On 5/11/2018 at 9:05 PM, dicetosser1 said:

cop ep

doc me

vig  hallia

 

On 5/11/2018 at 9:06 PM, Duk3star said:

 

Oh shoot. You can choose to doc yourself? Why'd I pick vigi. Darn! 

Clearly hinting JoAT. The last quote is why I'm saying he shot. He announced on thread he was locked into Vig.

[Gabriel Kross]

5 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

You don’t know it though. You’re guessing.

no. based on the announcement that Kat was supposed to die and her death did not happen that alone is enough for me to know Duke did not shoot Kat.

[Gabriel Kross]

5 minutes ago, Andrej said:

Duke isn’t cleared yet for me but your theory has holes in it.

 

Him shooting Dice is a guess based on what you think he might’ve said or hinted at.

 

Him not being a target of any sort is decent info though.

I can not say he wasn't a target, only that his actions were not affected.

[Andrej]

On 5/11/2018 at 6:03 PM, Duk3star said:

Cop: Shad

Doc: Andre

Vig: Duke

 

On 5/11/2018 at 6:05 PM, dicetosser1 said:

cop ep

doc me

vig  hallia

 

This is where the “you can doc yourself?” line came from. He listed himself to get vigged 

[Andrej]

2 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

I can not say he wasn't a target, only that his actions were not affected.

 

Which in a roundabout way means he wasn’t targeted. Or you got switched to another target or something.

 

Again, you’re speculating big time. How did you miss the part that he said he’d vig himself?

[Andrej]

Anyway, I’m going to bed.

[Gabriel Kross]

1 minute ago, Andrej said:

 

 

This is where the “you can doc yourself?” line came from. He listed himself to get vigged 

Yes logically that is where the line originated, but he picked both a doc and a vig in that scenario, so that statement still reads as he locked himself into vig for night 1. I suspect JoAT is a fake claim and he submitted the mafia kill.

 

1 minute ago, Andrej said:

 

Which in a roundabout way means he wasn’t targeted. Or you got switched to another target or something.

 

Again, you’re speculating big time. How did you miss the part that he said he’d vig himself?

My ability cannot be affected. Hence why I'm 80% sure there is a RB in this game, why specify my ability is immune if there isn't.

[Gabriel Kross]

3 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

Which in a roundabout way means he wasn’t targeted. Or you got switched to another target or something.

 

Again, you’re speculating big time. How did you miss the part that he said he’d vig himself?

I didn't I assumed that was a typo, because he also labled to doc you.

[Krakalakachkn]

I don't see why we're assuming mafia wouldn't redirect an incoming alt-party hit on Kat.

 

Are we assuming that?

[Gabriel Kross]

2 minutes ago, Krakalakachkn said:

I don't see why we're assuming mafia wouldn't redirect an incoming alt-party hit on Kat.

 

Are we assuming that?

The assumption is that somebody redirected the death of Kat, we don't know who, we don't know why. 

However. I know Duke, is not the shooter of Kat. Kat would have died before the redirect resolved.

[Gabriel Kross]

Unless we're assuming the redirect happened post-mortem. However, that is not something I have ever seen. 

[Gabriel Kross]

@Duk3star
 

 

[Gabriel Kross]

A clever individual will read more into that video. 

[Andrej]

25 minutes ago, Krakalakachkn said:

I don't see why we're assuming mafia wouldn't redirect an incoming alt-party hit on Kat.

 

Are we assuming that?

 

Like a SK shot instead of a vig? Assuming what you’re getting at, there wouldn’t be any differentiation.

[Andrej]

17 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

Unless we're assuming the redirect happened post-mortem. However, that is not something I have ever seen. 

 

The write up said Kat was dying, so she was hit. I think Amega’s dying instead has more to do with her role than a redirection post-fire.

[Andrej]

Baby woke up so I’m back again for a bit lol

[Andrej]

29 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

My ability cannot be affected. Hence why I'm 80% sure there is a RB in this game, why specify my ability is immune if there isn't.

 

Coupled with Lenlo’s result, surely. Maybe other roles as well that can switch actions and the like.

 

I think I’m picking up what you’re putting down for the most part regarding your ability. None of that makes Duke Dice’s killer with any sort of certainty though.

[Gabriel Kross]

3 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

The write up said Kat was dying, so she was hit. I think Amega’s dying instead has more to do with her role than a redirection post-fire.

That makes less sense than a post mortem redirect. Reason being, that would assume that Ame shot at Kat. Death canceling abilities usually are redirected back to the source, not to a random individual.

[Gabriel Kross]

Just now, Eternal Phoenix said:

That makes less sense than a post mortem redirect. Reason being, that would assume that Ame shot at Kat. Death canceling abilities usually are redirected back to the source, not to a random individual.

unfortunately a post death redirect ability may be the most logical option, as we were told Kat was killed, then at day start ame died instead. This would nullify my case on Duke.

[Gabriel Kross]

Still Sooh is mafia. I don't think Duke is cleared, but I'll switch my vote for now.

UNVOTE
VOTE: SOOH

[Andrej]

We were told she was dying. I feel the distinction is important.

 

how does it nullify if you think Duke shot Dice?