Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[bopolis]

 

Also Clov, if Scoobs flips wolf, do you think it's still Bop and not even remotely close? And when you say not remotely close, it's within the context of the others on the wagon correct? Or to phrase that another way, if Scoobs flips wolf is Spadesbop a hard clear for you just the lowest of those clears?

 

Without knowing his alignment, I think it's an entirely clean wagon with pretty reasonable confidence.  I know I'm clear, I know Lindsey is clear, and I think Zander and Sooh are incredibly strong townreads for me.  If I were a census taker and got "1 mafia" on the wagon, I crucify Bop without second thought.  Their slot is the only one I'm not damn near positive on.  I like them a lot, but they're the easily the ones I'm least confident on.

 

If we lynch FC tomorrow and he flips scum, I'm calling the entire wagon clean officially.  Is it possible mafia!Bop moves over at deadline when he's sitting pretty on Town!Scruff?  Yeah, I suppose.  But is it even remotely likely?  No.

 

its cool, i feel the same way about you and cory

[Cuth]

i

 

think the recent chris posts are very towny, mostly from a certain

 

standpoint/confidence level

[Cuth]

hot take: eldrick, darthe, marsh

 

hot take: lolassociationtellsbeforescumflips

[Cuth]

hot take: eldrick, darthe, marsh

 

hot take: lolassociationtellsbeforescumflips

this should read eldrick fred marsh

[Zander?]

Cuth ISO

 

Weird/Jokey? Scum call out of Fred's opening:

 

 

 

 

Fredwood clearly a scummy sub. Should lynch him while we can.

wolfy popin

 

obvscum

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fredwood clearly a scummy sub. Should lynch him while we can.

wolfy popin

 

obvscum

 

In that case you'll like what I'm going to do next even more.

 

*wolfy popout*

 

it's okay i've already peeked you scum n0 it's not like you have to try anyway

 

hope you appreciate <3

 

 

 

 

 

Cuth pushing Iron:

 

 

 

[v]ironeyes[/v]

 

 

marsh: i think you're scum?

 

 

specifically the way you're going about this game as opposed to the town/scum games i've played with you

 

tonal differences

 

/shrug

 

seeing things that remind me of things that bothered me when we were w/w

 

 

 

K, tone read. That helps. Not all that descriptive, but it's something. 

again, it's the way you go about stuff

 

and given how late it is i might be making this up

 

but i still agree with Cuth From 30 Hours Ago so i feel a bit better about it

 

 

 

 

Note on Iron: Not a fan at ALL of the huge out/fencesitting at the end of he "case" or reasoning for voting Marsh.

 

Random other reads:

 

 

 

leave this here while i catch up

 

i have seen as of yet no reason to believe cory or spades slots are wolves, and lean towards both being town

 

 

i have been

 

seriously underwhelmed by scruff's posts 

 

haven't read them in a while

 

but the first one was alright excusable whatever not as bad as people made it out to be

 

the follow up was

 

kinda less impressive?

 

don't really want to lynch him d1 on a new site, but wouldn't be starkly opposed to it from what i've read

 

 

i'm talking about a gamestate/process read from two other games, one where i was his partner and one where he was town, and comparing them to this game

 

that's a lot of work, and while i will probably do it at some point it's definitely not happening tonight

 

as such i am left with either trying to explain as much as i can or just straight up ignore your questions

 

on that note i think zander's town too

 

being a liiiittle on the nitpicky side for a wolf at this stage of the game wrt the famous exchange

 

 

 

Cordyx and SBop and me are all Town leans

 

Scruff gets a wishy washy fence sitting Null read.  "I dont wanna lynch him today but not gonna fight it/

[Cuth]

though there was a valid point raised

 

if the entire fc wagon was town

 

...we'd probably want to look in the no-voters first, actually

 

either way it looks like scum would have then thrown their weight onto a particular wagon

 

which would reflect poorly on fc

 

unless they were doing it because of perceived power role, but i don't think that makes sense here

[Cuth]

@zander i think you mean fc's opening

[Ironeyes]

Ironeys, 

 

I just Iso'd you. Why you no vote?

That doesn't make sense. I voted Scruff in #823 and didn't move my vote after that. 

[Cuth]

speaking of him

 

i'm not locking him as a villager or anything

 

just he has a 

 

brash way of playing in general, particularly as wolf

 

on d1, he ~never engages or plays much except in rare cases, and will typically just joke around and whatever

 

i think the way he talked with other players _there_ was villagery, though, as it was more serious and grounded of a line than i think he'd take in that situation if he was a wolf

[MrsClov]

 

Ironeys, 

 

I just Iso'd you. Why you no vote?

That doesn't make sense. I voted Scruff in #823 and didn't move my vote after that. 

 

Lemme double check. I looked through the ISO twice and didn't see it. 

[Ironeyes]

It was at the bottom of my multi-colored reads list, which is probably why you missed it. The process of solidifying my vague thoughts into a read helped me decide where to place my vote. 

[bopolis]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Eldrick(1): Scruffington

Scruffington(5): Marsh, Fredwood, Darthe, Cuth, FC

Fleeing Coward(5): CorDyx, Zander, MrsClov, sOOH, Mmmspades

Zander(1): Eldrick

 

 

 

 

 

There is a tie!  Randing lynch...

 

Cuth, when you say no voters i assume you mean people off of the two wagons since there were no no voters.

 

The only person other than scruff who was off of it was eldrick who wasn't even around the end of day.

[MrsClov]

KK, here's my list. Color coded and ordered by towniness as usual. Scumreads in light salmon just for you, Zander

 

Lock town 

Mrs. Clov: IC

Ironeyes: The mod told me so 

 

Solid town 

Spades/Bop: Mostly because of Spades's engagement and obvious WIM 

 

Lean town

Cordyx: Tone read here. Both seem engaged and neither seems manipulative

Derf: Kinda the same as Cordyx. I'd expect scum!Derf to manipulate rather than contribute, as he has been doing 

Eldrick: Meta read. His behavior is similar to the last time I played with town!El (a game in which I completely misread him, much to my chagrin) 

 

Null 

Sooh: Not sure yet, but I think as the game progresses I'll be able to form an opinion on her soon enough. 

Zander: Basically I can't tell if this is town!Zander style tunnelling or scum!Zander faking to draw attention where he wants 

Cuth, Ted, Aquila: Not enough info. 

 

Lean scum

Scruff: That vote and subsequent reaction to being sussed wasn't pretty. 

 

 

So, I'll throw a vote on Scruff for now. We've got almost a day left but I'm comfortable with this train. 

Okay, this is probably why I didn't see it. I was looking for the vote tag. 

[Cuth]

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Eldrick(1): Scruffington

Scruffington(5): Marsh, Fredwood, Darthe, Cuth, FC

Fleeing Coward(5): CorDyx, Zander, MrsClov, sOOH, Mmmspades

Zander(1): Eldrick

 

 

 

 

 

There is a tie!  Randing lynch...

 

Cuth, when you say no voters i assume you mean people off of the two wagons since there were no no voters.

 

The only person other than scruff who was off of it was eldrick who wasn't even around the end of day.

 

ah right

 

i remember now

 

and yes i meant not bandwagon voters

 

hrm

[Zander?]

Cuth continued:

 

 

 

Cuth who's your preferred lynch today?

far and away ironeyes

 

 

Like I dont get why he's SO CERTAIN Iron is Scum, and it bothers me more here in a bit with....:

 

 

 

 

I mean

 

I do find it kind of weird exactly how dismissive you were about a potential wagon on him when realistically you have one player "lower" on your list (Marsh) and you seem to have a good deal of village reads

 

In those situations, people usually are a bit more OK with wagons on their nulls, even if they haven't been super alignment indicative

 

Not really buying it

marsch and scurff

 

he's just a no info bad lynch here

 

whether scum or town or anything

 

it's an easy lhf thing where he typically DOES do this and then steps up more on following days

 

again, i did this exact thing on a game on mu, both of us got scumread for it, if you need precedent

 

i just think a lynch on him is kinda

 

suboptimal

 

 

 

Walk me through this in more easier to understand detail for me please Cuth cause Im not quite seeing it....

 

 

 

oh i agree i just see absolutely no justification to call scoobs' behavior scummy

 

from my experience with him in the past

 

 

What is his Meta as both alignments iyo?

 

 

 

[v]scruffington[/v]

 

this is the post continued from my response to the 1st post in here....

 

 

 

i actually

 

think he's gotten more villagery

 

since before

 

mild town now

 

Who is this referring to?

[Cuth]

zander to the first point i've done so

 

to the second it's referring to fc

[Cuth]

i will endeavor to elucidate my feelings on marsh later this evening

[Zander?]

i would be

 

very surprised

 

if fc is wolf here

 

now i think about it

 

 

very surprised

 

 

the way he was talking about reads on himself/d1

 

think he'd be

 

trollier? in a certain way

 

or just talk about things differently as wolf

 

maybe

 

This seemed to just Dawn on you, why didnt you mention this leading up to DL???

 

How much exp/Meta do you have with FC?

[MrsClov]

Not sure it means anything yet, but maybe it will after the phase ends.

People who at some point had a vote on Scruffington:
Sooh
Eldrick
MmmSpades
Cuth
Me
Darthe

Fredwood
Ironeyes
Fleeing Coward

People Who at Somepoint had a vote on Fleeing Coward
Cordyx
Sooh
Eldrick
Bop
Zander
Me

[Zander?]

 

 

Also Clov, if Scoobs flips wolf, do you think it's still Bop and not even remotely close? And when you say not remotely close, it's within the context of the others on the wagon correct? Or to phrase that another way, if Scoobs flips wolf is Spadesbop a hard clear for you just the lowest of those clears?

 

Without knowing his alignment, I think it's an entirely clean wagon with pretty reasonable confidence.  I know I'm clear, I know Lindsey is clear, and I think Zander and Sooh are incredibly strong townreads for me.  If I were a census taker and got "1 mafia" on the wagon, I crucify Bop without second thought.  Their slot is the only one I'm not damn near positive on.  I like them a lot, but they're the easily the ones I'm least confident on.

 

If we lynch FC tomorrow and he flips scum, I'm calling the entire wagon clean officially.  Is it possible mafia!Bop moves over at deadline when he's sitting pretty on Town!Scruff?  Yeah, I suppose.  But is it even remotely likely?  No.

 

its cool, i feel the same way about you and cory

 

 

iwould have thought you would have had m there instead of Cordyx.

 

Both are wrong imo but still.

[Zander?]

 

hot take: eldrick, darthe, marsh

 

hot take: lolassociationtellsbeforescumflips

this should read eldrick fred marsh

 

 

Ok whats your read on Derf?

 

 

 

though there was a valid point raised

 

if the entire fc wagon was town

 

...we'd probably want to look in the no-voters first, actually

 

either way it looks like scum would have then thrown their weight onto a particular wagon

 

which would reflect poorly on fc

 

unless they were doing it because of perceived power role, but i don't think that makes sense here

 

I think everyone voted.

 

Give your entire Scum team from the non FC voters and why please?

 

 

@zander i think you mean fc's opening

 

yes

 

thoughts on what i  said there?

 

 

Ironeys, 

 

I just Iso'd you. Why you no vote?

That doesn't make sense. I voted Scruff in #823 and didn't move my vote after that. 

 

 

 

Pretty sure Marsh was the 1st vote on Scruff iirc.

[Zander?]

speaking of him

 

i'm not locking him as a villager or anything

 

just he has a 

 

brash way of playing in general, particularly as wolf

 

on d1, he ~never engages or plays much except in rare cases, and will typically just joke around and whatever

 

i think the way he talked with other players _there_ was villagery, though, as it was more serious and grounded of a line than i think he'd take in that situation if he was a wolf

 

 

Who are you talking about here?

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Eldrick(1): Scruffington

Scruffington(5): Marsh, Fredwood, Darthe, Cuth, FC

Fleeing Coward(5): CorDyx, Zander, MrsClov, sOOH, Mmmspades

Zander(1): Eldrick

 

 

 

 

 

There is a tie!  Randing lynch...

 

Cuth, when you say no voters i assume you mean people off of the two wagons since there were no no voters.

 

The only person other than scruff who was off of it was eldrick who wasn't even around the end of day.

 

 

Not being here doesnt change the fact Eld id not voting Scruff and still had his vote parked on a Towny.

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

KK, here's my list. Color coded and ordered by towniness as usual. Scumreads in light salmon just for you, Zander

 

Lock town 

Mrs. Clov: IC

Ironeyes: The mod told me so 

 

Solid town 

Spades/Bop: Mostly because of Spades's engagement and obvious WIM 

 

Lean town

Cordyx: Tone read here. Both seem engaged and neither seems manipulative

Derf: Kinda the same as Cordyx. I'd expect scum!Derf to manipulate rather than contribute, as he has been doing 

Eldrick: Meta read. His behavior is similar to the last time I played with town!El (a game in which I completely misread him, much to my chagrin) 

 

Null 

Sooh: Not sure yet, but I think as the game progresses I'll be able to form an opinion on her soon enough. 

Zander: Basically I can't tell if this is town!Zander style tunnelling or scum!Zander faking to draw attention where he wants 

Cuth, Ted, Aquila: Not enough info. 

 

Lean scum

Scruff: That vote and subsequent reaction to being sussed wasn't pretty. 

 

 

 

So, I'll throw a vote on Scruff for now. We've got almost a day left but I'm comfortable with this train. 

Okay, this is probably why I didn't see it. I was looking for the vote tag. 

Lol sorry, I only use the vote tags when I'm on mobile. On my laptop I just bold/red it 

[Zander?]

zander to the first point i've done so

 

to the second it's referring to fc

 

like can you quote stuff man i have no idea what youre referring to most of the time.

[Zander?]

i will endeavor to elucidate my feelings on marsh later this evening

 

Why not now?