Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[Eldrick4221]

I can see it. I can see a world where he's scum. The issue I've been having with marsh, and the reason he's still null, is he's aware of the fact that the way he plays as town comes off as scummy.

 

I could see him using that to his advantage as scum.

 

It's why I'm unable to get him out of poe. With the sheer number of people I actually have reason to think are town, it's very likely he is scum.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm curious what you ISO delving has to say tho.

[Cory Caboose]

Ironeyes' volume is pretty consistent in either role. But how that's achieved is very different, running through his villager & wolf games.

 

His wolf games generate a lot of fluff. Short, punchy retorts. Filler. Amusement at events, relaxed, very conciliatory tonally. Has fight, will challenge people & thread notions. Reads are thin, and typically a function of "village read people trying hard" but rarely personal.

 

His villager games, you can see that little internal torture of trying to figure out who is lying to you gnaw on his brain. His content is focused; he points at what he sees, when he sees them, tries to explain to people his reads on people & situations. Reaches out to make reads. Has continuing fluid dialogue with other players in the attempt to share perspectives. His reads typically come from a personal place, drawing from past experiences. There is a lot of care here, and he is not someone too shy to get loud if he feels it'll help his team.

 

His ISO this game is 100% what he does as a wolf and is missing all the really vital things that pop up when he's actually trying to figure out a game.

[csarmi]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Ironeyes (2): Cuth, CorDyx

Cuth (1): Eldrick

 

It is now Day two.  A deadline is set for Monday, July 17th at 11:30pm PST.  With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

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Also in the news: Anyone can play guitar

[Cory Caboose]

Ironeyes is the kind of villager who will form complex reads of his own volition and will voice them.

 

He's the kind of wolf ready to say whatever he thinks people will find him villagery for, who will shade teammates (willingness to vote FC) but generally will hold out on endangering his teammates as long as he can (vote never left Scruffington) ... see how he handled Darthe in FIght Club mafia as w/w. Same exact deal.

[Cory Caboose]

I'm here to play werewolf and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of bubblegum

[csarmi]

we are the sultans

we are the sultans of formatting

[Cory Caboose]

If Marsh is a wolf, Cuth is more likely to be a villager.

 

Cuth's consolation prize in whiffing on FC would be his top wolfread of the day was correct. Not too shabby for a probabilistic minefield of variance. 

[Eldrick4221]

I know that I've played in a game with him before. I don't remember him having the personal touch or the worry about lying knowing at him show in his posts.

 

And I want to say he was town, but I'm not confident there.

 

Being my memory of his play style is so old I can't remember it, I guess it shouldn't count.

 

Ok with a marsh lynch today. Still like the idea of a competing cuth train tho.

[Cory Caboose]

The tl;dr would be more that as a villager, he speaks his mind more.

 

On that particular axiom, he is lacking in this game

[Eldrick4221]

I agree with you there.

[Cory Caboose]

I would also say he's pretending to be more interested in this game than he actually is. the reddest of flags. the montecore tell

[Cory Caboose]

[Spadeszee]

Okay, I just finished ISOing Iron.

 

I read all of his posts with the assumption that he is a wolf and tried to put two and two together with that forethought.

 

I made A LOT of notes. I would multi-quote him, but the formatting of this site makes me think I would mess something up and end up losing my work. I tried to quote him as carefully as I could in my notes without making them decades long, so just bare with me.

 

I didn't really realize it until I ISO'ed him, but half of his posts are either about me or responding to me. (Sorry I have a boyfriend)

 

please take that as a joke. It's really funny in my head

 

 

He basically locked clear me with no explanation. I will also add he only talks about me, not Bop. Only once did he talk about Bop and it was him asking for explanations for a read list.The reason I don't like this is because it seems like he only reads my posts. Bop has said and done a lot this game and while we are a team our opinions/conclusions are generally a little different. As a villager you would look at both of us, you would look at everything.

 

He also spend a bit of time rubbing up on Linz. While I'm also guilty of this (because how can you not <3), he lacks actual solid content between this. Idk if he just wanted to look squishy and innocent in her eyes by making a personal appeal to sway her opinion and keep him in neutral or what. 

 

Things regarding Darthe:

 

Now I looked closely at what happened between him and Darthe. Darthe immediately suspected him, while Darthe said it was light, he still had it there. Later on he complimented one of Darthes posts but also disagreed with some of Darthes early passes (Which were Zander, Sooh, Eldrick and MmmSpades)- With that he said he has null reads on everyone but me. "Players above haven't done enough". In my notes I underlined he felt inactive players are usually scumy and mentioned that included himself. (not in a way of calling himself scummy, but in the way that he could be perceived that way)

One thing that really stood out to me was Darthe made a comment that he is a GOAT Marsh reader. To which Iron responded that Darthe used that for wolf cover once. Obviously we know Darthe is town in this situation. Later Darthe called Irons read list "a clean wolf post". Iron responded asking Darthe if he forgot how to read him. At one point Bop and I mention feeling weird about Darthe and he comes in to defend him, at this point Darthe is wolf reading him. I take this as him trying really hard to be suuuper nice to all the people wolf reading him in hopes they will change their mind. 

The post that made me scream wolf in this ISO was that he's "hypersensitive about Darthe because of his accuracy in reading him". He didn't want to get 'mislynched'. Now in my eyes, if you're town, you're town. Nothing to worry about. Especially if someone can read you well and you're town. (I don't have the post number but the time/date is 7/14 - 2:40 pm)

Now I know this has been addressed by Cory and Iron responded by saying he wasn't n00by enough to kill Darthe because it would draw suspicion to him... But damn this looks so so soooo bad.

 

 

Scruff vote/ his response to being voted:

 

The thing that cracks me up the most about this ISO is the fact that he's pushing the Scruff vote all game. Every time scruff popped up he would chime in about it too. He doesn't give more than a sentence about it at a time, but he pushed it and pushed it. Meanwhile, when he had three people voting for him he called them "lazy villagers" and that they were "setting him up" when all the votes had very little back up. He can't write more than a sentence about why Scruff should be lynched and called others lazy for saying they were tone reading him wolfy? Most of the votes on him were for pressure to see how he would respond. I also asked Cuth for some quotes to point out what posts had bad tone in his opinion and Iron came in wanting them too so he could defend himself.

Another kicker with this is when Scruff starts to get votes, he hops on and says "I'm comfortable with this train" and shortly after says "easy for sum to chill and let others do work for them and jump on a train". Irony?

 

 

 

TL;DR

The trends I found is he only replies to votes about him, has an obsession with read lists order for some reason, town reads anyone who votes him and made zero cases about anyone but Scruffington. He mentions himself on every single read list he responded to. 

 

My biggest issue is that he has spent the game pushing the easy scruff lynch, takes zero time to analyse anyone else (in fact he didn't have a single detail in any of his posts about anything), kissing up to those who vote him, and spends a lot of time defending himself.

 

 

What I take from this is that either he's a villager obsessed with his appearance, so much that he's not actually paying anyone else mind so voted Scruff because easy.

Or he's a wolf being extremely wolfy.

[Eldrick4221]

That hurts my head. How is caring about the game, but not acting like it better than caring and acting.

 

If you are town, and truly care about the game, then it's comes through naturally in your actions.

 

Being town and not acting like you care about the game is worse. That's how you get mislynched.

[Spadeszee]

Also, I'd like to say Bop told me to go to sleep at 2am when I started my ISO on Iron.

 

 

My eyes are so bloodshot. Please still find me attractive Cory.

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

That hurts my head. How is caring about the game, but not acting like it better than caring and acting.

 

If you are town, and truly care about the game, then it's comes through naturally in your actions.

 

Being town and not acting like you care about the game is worse. That's how you get mislynched.

 

It's not about what people should do, it's what people actually do

 

That chart was made for a player named Montecore who, as a villager, a lot of the times would act "too cool" to be super interested in the game, but you could tell he was thinking along and trying to figure it out anyway.

 

Marsh cares that people perceive him as "caring" about the game, but he's not thinking about in-depth in the way he does as a villager. The fact that the perception is stronger than reality is not a good sign. Does that make sense?

[Eldrick4221]

I remember that post about hypersensitive bothering me too. Like the way it was worded was weird.

 

If darthe can read him accurately, and he's town, then why was he worried about a mislynch?

 

I didn't respond to it because if darthe was scum, he could have used that knowledge to his advantage and incorrectly read marsh to get the ml. When I went back to quote it, I thought that was what he was getting at, so I dropped it.

[Eldrick4221]

 

That hurts my head. How is caring about the game, but not acting like it better than caring and acting.

 

If you are town, and truly care about the game, then it's comes through naturally in your actions.

 

Being town and not acting like you care about the game is worse. That's how you get mislynched.

It's not about what people should do, it's what people actually do

 

That chart was made for a player named Montecore who, as a villager, a lot of the times would act "too cool" to be super interested in the game, but you could tell he was thinking along and trying to figure it out anyway.

 

Marsh cares that people perceive him as "caring" about the game, but he's not thinking about in-depth in the way he does as a villager. The fact that the perception is stronger than reality is not a good sign. Does that make sense?

The red end of the spectrum already did. It's the green end that confuses me.

[Spadeszee]

Another thing that I caught, which might be nothing but I still noticed it was Iron was updating the votecounter at EOD. It clearly says to unvote before voting. I think Bop pointed out that you have to.

Iron counted (what I recall to be Cuths vote. my brain hurts too much to go back) Cuths Scruff vote without the unvote. After it was pointed it out he said "It's okay, I counted it. As long as the modess is okay with it"

 

I felt like this was slippery? Like super slippery. However, the players shouldn't be in charge of counting votes (obviously) and while Hallia let the vote through, she did remind everyone that they need to unvote before voting again. IDK. I'm probably reading into this. I just wanted to point it out.

[Spadeszee]

Okay. I think I deserve sleep now.

 

I will probably do an ISO on Cuth and Eldrick tomorrow as well.

If you guys found my notes useful I will share those with the class too.

[Cory Caboose]

Here's some unnecessary analogy to try and explain how I view mafia in general, but also specifically my feelings on Iron:

Imagine the game of Mafia as a literal mice maze with a reward (say, a block of cheese) at the end.

Now imagine two different mice - the first, brand new to the lab, gets unleashed in the maze. it scurries hastily toward the exit, turning at dead ends, backtracking, but continually moving closer toward the reward.

 

The second mouse is a veteran who's done it for years. He gets to the exit on auto-pilot, knowing the path he needs to take.

 

That's how subjective information changes progress. How are wolves different from villagers? Wolves don't need to figure out the game, they just have to act like they're trying to. There is nothing for them to actually figure out. There's no inner workings of curiosity, no new lab rat running into walls.

 

Ironeyes is acting like he's trying to - but he isn't.

 

What does that say to you?

[Spadeszee]

Here's some unnecessary analogy to try and explain how I view mafia in general, but also specifically my feelings on Iron:

 

Imagine the game of Mafia as a literal mice maze with a reward (say, a block of cheese) at the end.

 

Now imagine two different mice - the first, brand new to the lab, gets unleashed in the maze. it scurries hastily toward the exit, turning at dead ends, backtracking, but continually moving closer toward the reward.

 

The second mouse is a veteran who's done it for years. He gets to the exit on auto-pilot, knowing the path he needs to take.

 

That's how subjective information changes progress. How are wolves different from villagers? Wolves don't need to figure out the game, they just have to act like they're trying to. There is nothing for them to actually figure out. There's no inner workings of curiosity, no new lab rat running into walls.

 

Ironeyes is acting like he's trying to - but he isn't.

 

What does that say to you?

But it's like, all his moves are so obviously wolfy. I looked through and it has zero substance. Would a wolf really act like this? I just can't imagine thinking you could get away with posting like this.

Is Iron new to the game?

I feel bad because if he isn't a wolf I'm really confused by his approach. 

Maybe I'm a tryhard or something, but in either alignment he's not doing his job at all. 

He's not solving and not even seemingly covering his tracks.

I'm not trying to call him bad, in fact he sat in my neutral pile for a while and I even defended him because his early posts didn't seem to have enough there to read him either way. But looking at them all together, he hasn't done anything but push a scruff vote.

[Spadeszee]

Uh oh, it's 5, lets see if it ate my post or not.

[Spadeszee]

Okay, post ate.

 

I can't with this.