[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[Cuth]

sleep well :)

[Cass]

 

apologies for butting in here, but i would have ignored it

if i'm scum i don't really like people talking about me and if i'm town it's unproductive

 

but there i think we agree on the value or lack thereof of an OMGUS as a scumread so /shrug

It might be nothing, but noticing that he talks about "if he's scum" before "if he's town"

 

Not sure why town would prioritize those thoughts like that.

 

 

Eldrick, what's your current stance on Cuth?

 

 

 

 

i get that you're trying to create interaction

 

and i'm fine with that and that's great, really it is

 

but i'm not fine with your reactions to any pressure on you

 

if you know you're not scum then you should never start asking "who would my partners be?"

 

that makes no sense as a question that town asks

Read what I wrote above.

 

And I hate when people make statmements like "that makes no sense as a question that town asks"

 

Just because you don't understand the reason for the question doesn't mean it doesn't serve a purpose.

 

no legitimately

 

if you are town

 

you know you're town, yes?

 

therefore that question does not make sense to ask

 

because you'd know the assumption behind it is fundamentally flawed

 

you know you would flip town if you got lynched, so why are you saying people should 'look at potential partners' so that the game is more winnable from d2 on?

 

you know you'd going to flip town

 

you know you wouldn't have any partners and so anything said about partners and you would be totally invalid after you flip town

 

you've pretty much convinced me that that was a legitimate slip

 

 

Mind meld with the first bold Cuth, but the second gives me pause - how is that a slip?

 

'Who are my partners then?' is a question I've used in frustration as Town and as distraction as Scum, I can see it going either way here from Liz. Also ftr afaik neither Liz nor Mrs Clov are inexperienced mafia players - that part of your #847 is sticking with me so please explain?

[Cuth]

there are situations in which it is valid

 

these are: if you believe that you can legitimately not be partners with anybody in the thread because of interactions

 

that's pretty much it most of the time

 

the rest of the times it's just a useless question

 

it's a slip in the sense that assuming the above ^ which she was obviously not, but still

 

town has literally no reason to ask that question and make the follow up she did

 

and experience should perhaps be rephrased as experience on many different sites where different things are perceived with different values

 

 

 

that aside i'm glad that you're finally here

 

this thread needs some bubbly enthusiasm

[Cass]

Awwww ninight Linds, sorry I'm so sloooooooooowwwwwwwww! <3

Splitting these up because ugh giant multiquote
 

 

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Potential overexplanation - there's a difference in my brain ;)

General thing, not just wrt Eldrick - I'm reading your tone as different from your general 'I do my own thang!' and 'someone's WRONG!' in couple of places so far

Eldrick - Basically because the initial approach was sus and the confusion doesn't read entirely genuine imo. Possible that I'm sticking too much to bias from early pings there.

Do you think he was genuinely confused? If so, why?

  

I do think he was genuinely confused. He gave his explanation of what he thought each time, and it would have been an odd way for him to twist my words if he were scum just trying to find an easy way to frame me. Especially when he misread me saying that I wasn't trying to please him as suggesting that he should be trying to please me.

And I do do my own thang. And they are WRONG! :P

 

 

In a nutshell I thought the difference between ENFP/Dice vote was obvious, and that Eldrick misconstruing it was sus. I'll re-read him as an ISO and later in in Hackers where he was Town, but initial take was that it wasn't genuine confusion, and this (pushing what I read as derpy confusion) is something I associate as a strong feeling I got in the first game I read him playing in. Gonna be honest and say that my brain is skipping over the sentence full of pleasing. Lol at the bottom. 

 

Can you explain the bold?

 

 

 

I choose to not burn you for being pedantic, because it seems to be in your nature. Still, I want you to be aware that it's annoying in the hopes that youll refrain.

Also, swype. Faked is real close to reasoned

pe·dan·tic
pəˈdan(t)ik/
adjective
of or like a pedant.
"many of the essays are long, dense, and too pedantic to hold great appeal"
synonyms: overscrupulous, scrupulous, precise, exact, perfectionist, punctilious, meticulous, fussy, fastidious, finicky;

Yay new word. So glad it had synonyms. That is a HORRIBLE definition. (Synonyms are fitting though. I will TRY to refrain)

Also...swype. duh. Thank you for explaining.

 

 

See above

 

 

/snip

Eldrick you seem to be staying out of the recent conversations? maybe it's just cass's posts about the early interaction you had with liz that is causing me to be paranoid ><

 

 

This is the second time you've mentioned me being the cause of paranoia for you. Can't tell if it's legit or if you're possibly setting me up for later.

Why even mention me here?

[MrsClov]

there are situations in which it is valid

 

these are: if you believe that you can legitimately not be partners with anybody in the thread because of interactions

 

that's pretty much it most of the time

 

the rest of the times it's just a useless question

 

it's a slip in the sense that assuming the above ^ which she was obviously not, but still

 

town has literally no reason to ask that question and make the follow up she did

 

and experience should perhaps be rephrased as experience on many different sites where different things are perceived with different values

 

 

 

that aside i'm glad that you're finally here

 

this thread needs some bubbly enthusiasm

Ugh can't sleep. I've played a few games here, more games s than I care to count at walterfoorball, and helped Chris mod a game on Vendetta Stata.

 

Liz has played on PERC, and I'm not sure where else. If for whatever reason you need links to my games let me know.

[MrsClov]

Cass <3

[seph]

morning. looks like I cam in at the right time lol. 
It had to do with your thinking of eldrick and liz way back when eldrick easily backed off his push, which could have looked like distancing.

[Cass]

I get asking questions. anyone can do it, and depending on thread flow a wolf can even lead the direction of the thread. I really stopped trying to town read people over that, and focus on the opinions they are forming.  I am curious about what you all thing about each individual person, and at the moment who you think is a better lynch besides you and liz. Tbh I don't remember anything scummy from you, but you haven't gave me anything protown. If i missed something i apologize and i promise to look out for you in my reread.

 

Fair enough,  but to be honest I haven't been able to give a lot of people thoughts because I've felt like Liz and I have had to defend ourselves over really stupid and trivial stuff that should have never been a thing. 

 

Cass and Eldrick seem fairly town to me at the moment. Cass seems like she's really trying to figure people out, and Eldrick seems to be playing a subdued but similar way to how I saw him as town in our last game together. We spent a lot of time going back and forth with each other that game, and so far I'm getting the vibe that he's trying to reason and hear everyone out. Nothing concrete, but It's what I got so far.

 

If Hallia posts more I'll be able to get a read on her fairly easily, I think. She's probably the person I've played the most with. So far she hasn't done enough for me to feel anything one way or another. 

 

Darthe, as I said earlier I think that he just does things for his own amusement. I think this is my 3rd? game with him and I have no clue how to read him.  

 

I've never played with DPR, Sooh, Kronos, Cuth, you, Tinker, Spoof, or Crusher so it's going to take me a bit to develop there. I can't remember if I've played with Notbob or not, but I'll go ahead and apply this same thought line to him. 

 

 

I like tone of Linds better than Seph here. Seph are you talking specifically about Mrs Clov here with the bold, or the slot as a whole?

 

@Linds

Can you explain what you mean wrt subdued for Eldrick?

And any conclusions on Darthe? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Casstastic - what are your thoughts on the diceter at the moment?

Trying to get an early handle on him. Can see his jump at you guys coming from either alignment; initial comment wrt Darthe felt possi-sheepy/shade; wondering/waiting for his response about the Tonto thing.

 

 

Spoof answered the questions. Crusher avoided them. Someone else commented on that they should be included, but didn't answer them.

IIRC Crusher answered on a similar level.

Cuth commented on being excluded, didn't need to reply to the questions I initially posted imo.

I don't see why not. Your reason for asking includes him AFAICT.

? Can you elaborate?

My reason for asking was because I've never played with them, it had nothing to do with Cuth.

I wasn't aware that you were familiar with Cuth. They are all 3 new to me, and so I thought they should all 3 answer. That you didn't think Cuth should be included was weird.

 

I'm pretty sure I'd explained before you made the Spoof/Crusher/Someone (Cuth) comment.

 

Why weird if you're reading me Town?

 

What was your point/alignment thoughts about the 3 in your post? Do you have a problem with any of it now?

You clearly did explain that you knew him before. You were the one that invited him. I had just simply forgotten that. I tend to not remember who knows who. So as far as I knew you didn't know him.

 

Weird doesn't equal scum. Town read doesn't equal lock townot. This question is bad.

 

I'm getting a slight scum vibe from Cuth. Can't put why into words right now. Other 2 are still null.

 

 

The question you call bad didn't matter so much beyond getting you to respond to me. It and the line above were highlighting what I'm reading as inconsistencies.

And you didn't really answer the real questions at the bottom.

 

Why did you comment on other player's reactions to those questions? If you had alignment-related thoughts about them I don't see what they were - ie the post just feels like noting, with no conclusions - so the noting seems redundant.

 

 

 

on average about seventy-five percent of the players in any given game are town

 

 

*Bangs this into own head, repeatedly*

 

I get asking questions. anyone can do it, and depending on thread flow a wolf can even lead the direction of the thread. I really stopped trying to town read people over that, and focus on the opinions they are forming.  I am curious about what you all thing about each individual person, and at the moment who you think is a better lynch besides you and liz. Tbh I don't remember anything scummy from you, but you haven't gave me anything protown. If i missed something i apologize and i promise to look out for you in my reread.

 

Fair enough,  but to be honest I haven't been able to give a lot of people thoughts because I've felt like Liz and I have had to defend ourselves over really stupid and trivial stuff that should have never been a thing. 

 

Cass and Eldrick seem fairly town to me at the moment. Cass seems like she's really trying to figure people out, and Eldrick seems to be playing a subdued but similar way to how I saw him as town in our last game together. We spent a lot of time going back and forth with each other that game, and so far I'm getting the vibe that he's trying to reason and hear everyone out. Nothing concrete, but It's what I got so far.

 

If Hallia posts more I'll be able to get a read on her fairly easily, I think. She's probably the person I've played the most with. So far she hasn't done enough for me to feel anything one way or another. 

 

Darthe, as I said earlier I think that he just does things for his own amusement. I think this is my 3rd? game with him and I have no clue how to read him.  

 

I've never played with DPR, Sooh, Kronos, Cuth, you, Tinker, Spoof, or Crusher so it's going to take me a bit to develop there. I can't remember if I've played with Notbob or not, but I'll go ahead and apply this same thought line to him. 

 

 

I like tone of Linds better than Seph here. Seph are you talking specifically about Mrs Clov here with the bold, or the slot as a whole?

 

@Linds

Can you explain what you mean wrt subdued for Eldrick?

And any conclusions on Darthe? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Casstastic - what are your thoughts on the diceter at the moment?

Trying to get an early handle on him. Can see his jump at you guys coming from either alignment; initial comment wrt Darthe felt possi-sheepy/shade; wondering/waiting for his response about the Tonto thing.

 

 

Spoof answered the questions. Crusher avoided them. Someone else commented on that they should be included, but didn't answer them.

IIRC Crusher answered on a similar level.

Cuth commented on being excluded, didn't need to reply to the questions I initially posted imo.

I don't see why not. Your reason for asking includes him AFAICT.

? Can you elaborate?

My reason for asking was because I've never played with them, it had nothing to do with Cuth.

I wasn't aware that you were familiar with Cuth. They are all 3 new to me, and so I thought they should all 3 answer. That you didn't think Cuth should be included was weird.

 

I'm pretty sure I'd explained before you made the Spoof/Crusher/Someone (Cuth) comment.

 

Why weird if you're reading me Town?

 

What was your point/alignment thoughts about the 3 in your post? Do you have a problem with any of it now?

You clearly did explain that you knew him before. You were the one that invited him. I had just simply forgotten that. I tend to not remember who knows who. So as far as I knew you didn't know him.

 

Weird doesn't equal scum. Town read doesn't equal lock townot. This question is bad.

 

I'm getting a slight scum vibe from Cuth. Can't put why into words right now. Other 2 are still null.

 

 

The question you call bad didn't matter so much beyond getting you to respond to me. It and the line above were highlighting what I'm reading as inconsistencies.

And you didn't really answer the real questions at the bottom.

 

Why did you comment on other player's reactions to those questions? If you had alignment-related thoughts about them I don't see what they were - ie the post just feels like noting, with no conclusions - so the noting seems redundant.

 

 

 

on average about seventy-five percent of the players in any given game are town

 

 

*Bangs this into own head, repeatedly*

[seph]

I have a bunch of catching up to do, and its going to be going slowly tonight ><

[Cass]

I can't get rid of the duplicate posts in the actual post box for some reason, sorry :(

Will ask for permission to delete as an edit and see if it helps

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

 

you know

 

you just essentially claimed scum

 

you slipped

 

there's no possible way you can ever say what you said as town

 

and i'm sorry if saying that bothers you

 

but townies know that they're town and never say "who are my partners" so that "town can have a better chance after today" 

 

that is not a thing that a town would ever do

 

because town is exactly town and knows that they are town

 

and so they know thinking about who might be teamed with them today so that those people can be lynched in the future makes no sense because they are town

 

perspective, you know

Oh really?

 

Because I've said it multiple times before as town. And I've seen others say it multiple times before as town. So maybe your rule book doesn't apply to me?

 

And why can't you just respond to my questions?

 

why have you said it before as town

 

explain to me how that lines up with a town pov

 

refute any of the following points for me

 

1. town knows that they are town

2. therefore, town knows that looking for people they could be partners with is a waste of time because they're not partners with anyone, they're town

3. town knows that if they are lynched they will flip town

4. therefore town knows that exploring potential links for partners with themselves today will not help solve the game in any way because they're town and they don't have partners

 

correct me where i'm wrong in that logic

 

the fact that you aren't observing those points directly leads me to assume that you neglected to think your statement through properly and are scum

 

these are GIVENS for town

 

they are fundamental pillars in the way each townie views the game

 

I already explained to you why I ask this question as town.

 

I know my alignment. You don't. Right now you're supposedly making the assumption that I'm scum. I know this is false. If you're town, you have no way of knowing that it's false other than looking beyond the tunnel and figuring it out for yourself.

 

It accomplishes two potential goals: a) forcing you to look beyond your tunnel if you're town, and b) not allowing you to hide behind a one-person tunnel if you're actually scum.

 

 

 

 

yes and you said to help town after d2

 

but you know it won't help because you're town

 

i'm trying to engage you on a logical level and show you why i can't see town ever making such a statement

 

and seeing if you disagree with any of the points on why i believe so

 

because otherwise i'm going to be forced to lynch you

 

 

Where's the bold come from Cuth?

 

I went back and checked and the only reference I find is:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, so let's play a game of pretend.

 

Let's pretend MrsClov and I are scum.

 

Who are our partners?

Idk its d1, surely one wolf is enough atm. This is a distraction post.

 

Oh really? You're not interested in information that might help solve the game on D2 and so on?

 

Attempt to turn this denied. Go die now.

 

Darthe - you're not afraid of some simple questions are you? Why do you keep avoiding them?

 

Answering my questions can only make you look townier if you're town.

 

 

 

Which looks more like her using it as a dig at Darthe than an explanation for why she asked the question?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you know

 

you just essentially claimed scum

 

you slipped

 

there's no possible way you can ever say what you said as town

 

and i'm sorry if saying that bothers you

 

but townies know that they're town and never say "who are my partners" so that "town can have a better chance after today" 

 

that is not a thing that a town would ever do

 

because town is exactly town and knows that they are town

 

and so they know thinking about who might be teamed with them today so that those people can be lynched in the future makes no sense because they are town

 

perspective, you know

Oh really?

 

Because I've said it multiple times before as town. And I've seen others say it multiple times before as town. So maybe your rule book doesn't apply to me?

 

And why can't you just respond to my questions?

 

why have you said it before as town

 

explain to me how that lines up with a town pov

 

refute any of the following points for me

 

1. town knows that they are town

2. therefore, town knows that looking for people they could be partners with is a waste of time because they're not partners with anyone, they're town

3. town knows that if they are lynched they will flip town

4. therefore town knows that exploring potential links for partners with themselves today will not help solve the game in any way because they're town and they don't have partners

 

correct me where i'm wrong in that logic

 

the fact that you aren't observing those points directly leads me to assume that you neglected to think your statement through properly and are scum

 

these are GIVENS for town

 

they are fundamental pillars in the way each townie views the game

 

I already explained to you why I ask this question as town.

 

I know my alignment. You don't. Right now you're supposedly making the assumption that I'm scum. I know this is false. If you're town, you have no way of knowing that it's false other than looking beyond the tunnel and figuring it out for yourself.

 

It accomplishes two potential goals: a) forcing you to look beyond your tunnel if you're town, and b) not allowing you to hide behind a one-person tunnel if you're actually scum.

 

 

 

 

yes and you said to help town after d2

 

but you know it won't help because you're town

 

i'm trying to engage you on a logical level and show you why i can't see town ever making such a statement

 

and seeing if you disagree with any of the points on why i believe so

 

because otherwise i'm going to be forced to lynch you

 

 

Where's the bold come from Cuth?

 

I went back and checked and the only reference I find is:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, so let's play a game of pretend.

 

Let's pretend MrsClov and I are scum.

 

Who are our partners?

Idk its d1, surely one wolf is enough atm. This is a distraction post.

 

Oh really? You're not interested in information that might help solve the game on D2 and so on?

 

Attempt to turn this denied. Go die now.

 

Darthe - you're not afraid of some simple questions are you? Why do you keep avoiding them?

 

Answering my questions can only make you look townier if you're town.

 

 

 

Which looks more like her using it as a dig at Darthe than an explanation for why she asked the question?

 

[seph]

@cass... I was clearly talking to mrs clov at that moment, since we were engaged in a conversation and i said you. 

[Cuth]

morning. looks like I cam in at the right time lol. 

It had to do with your thinking of eldrick and liz way back when eldrick easily backed off his push, which could have looked like distancing.

"morning"

[Cuth]

cass the thing you pointed out is the thing i meant yes

[MrsClov]

 

@Linds

Can you explain what you mean wrt subdued for Eldrick?

And any conclusions on Darthe? 

 

Sorry, not quoting the entire book. :p 

 

So, with Eldrick I don't have a lot of games to go on from him, but last game he was all over the place. Everything that peeked his interest he commented on it and was constantly doing rereads and just very hyper about everything if that makes sense.  I still get the sense that he's going after a lot of things, but it feels like he's more choosy about what he's going after. Like his energy is watered down, if that makes sense. That being said, I don't know that I'm prepared to make it alignment indicative for him. There could be a lot of things going into the reason behind it. Maybe it's because this is a bigger game, or maybe it's IRL stuff, or whatever. 

 

Darthe has been a massive topic in the hydra-hidey-hole, and Liz and I aren't in complete agreement about him at the moment.

[Cass]

there are situations in which it is valid

 

these are: if you believe that you can legitimately not be partners with anybody in the thread because of interactions

 

that's pretty much it most of the time

 

the rest of the times it's just a useless question

 

it's a slip in the sense that assuming the above ^ which she was obviously not, but still

 

town has literally no reason to ask that question and make the follow up she did

 

and experience should perhaps be rephrased as experience on many different sites where different things are perceived with different values

 

 

 

that aside i'm glad that you're finally here

 

this thread needs some bubbly enthusiasm

 

Ok generally speaking, I agree with you. The first bold is what stopped me when you call it a slip - that's always a possibility but the way you came at it was if that view can't possibly come from Town?/The possibility was ignored to push a point?

 

Second bold here doesn't make sense to me as a sentence or a point.

 

Who's assuming what? and

She obviously was not.. believing/partnered?

 

Third bold - doesn't negate that it's a question that can/does often come from Town?

 

What bothered you about the follow up?

 

 

As for bubbly enthusiasm \o/ slash 'is he buddying me??

 

But also <3 :D :D :D Kids just got home so I'm out as soon as dinner's dished up.

 

On another note, I outran Zombies again today!

 

 

 

Cass <3

 

<3 go sleeeeeep!!

... if you can/after you've answered my questions... :D

 

 

 

morning. looks like I cam in at the right time lol. 

It had to do with your thinking of eldrick and liz way back when eldrick easily backed off his push, which could have looked like distancing.

 

I get I commented on Eldrick and Liz potential distancing, but how did that connect with your comment about Eldrick's reduced activity?

 

[Cass]

I have Will screaming and trying to grab keyboard, count me out again 

[Cuth]

will answer tomorrow, am derp right now sleep need bad too late up stay bad decisions regretses

[seph]

 

there are situations in which it is valid

 

these are: if you believe that you can legitimately not be partners with anybody in the thread because of interactions

 

that's pretty much it most of the time

 

the rest of the times it's just a useless question

 

it's a slip in the sense that assuming the above ^ which she was obviously not, but still

 

town has literally no reason to ask that question and make the follow up she did

 

and experience should perhaps be rephrased as experience on many different sites where different things are perceived with different values

 

 

 

that aside i'm glad that you're finally here

 

this thread needs some bubbly enthusiasm

 

Ok generally speaking, I agree with you. The first bold is what stopped me when you call it a slip - that's always a possibility but the way you came at it was if that view can't possibly come from Town?/The possibility was ignored to push a point?

 

Second bold here doesn't make sense to me as a sentence or a point.

 

Who's assuming what? and

She obviously was not.. believing/partnered?

 

Third bold - doesn't negate that it's a question that can/does often come from Town?

 

What bothered you about the follow up?

 

 

As for bubbly enthusiasm \o/ slash 'is he buddying me??

 

But also <3 :D :D :D Kids just got home so I'm out as soon as dinner's dished up.

 

On another note, I outran Zombies again today!

 

 

 

Cass <3

 

<3 go sleeeeeep!!

... if you can/after you've answered my questions... :D

 

 

 

morning. looks like I cam in at the right time lol. 

It had to do with your thinking of eldrick and liz way back when eldrick easily backed off his push, which could have looked like distancing.

 

I get I commented on Eldrick and Liz potential distancing, but how did that connect with your comment about Eldrick's reduced activity?

 

 

Those are 2 separate points. If I fused them together to form some sort of opinion I don't remember it. The activity and the way he is going about the game was about my starting comment about he feels different.

[MrsClov]

Here's where I'm at regarding potential scum leans.

Darthe- His play this game is so similar to his scum game from last game it's ridiculous. I know a lot of people are going to jump and down saying Darthe being Darthe or he can do it as any alignment, which I don't disagree, but if he is scum this just gives him something easy to coast off of. And I feel like he's one of those players who feels he could get away with playing two scum games back to back exactly the same way. The way he's not even willing to listen to reason is bothering me, and at this point I just feel like he's being a bully. 

 

NoBob- Nothing concrete here, and it's more null at the moment. Liz mentioned she wasn't all that trusting of him. I think this is going to be one we're going to look more into tomorrow. 

DPR- I really don't like how abrasive he's being. Telling me to GTFO was completely uncalled for, as I already said and even if it was directed at someone else I'd feel this way. He did have a post about eldrick early on that made me think, but other than that I just don't have good vibes about him.

Tinker- The way he came in after all the drama said there was nothing to talk about and left came back in to try and vote us and said nothing regarding it, and I believe left again, is bothering me. At the point he came in how can you not have ANYTHING to say?

Wildfire is a potential, but not one I'm really looking to explore. Her post about being caught up and then going to bed and not posting any thoughts regarding her catch up bothers me. I will give her that she had a catch up post somewhere in the middle. Not going to push her regarding it at the moment. Willing to see what she comes back in the thread with. 

[MrsClov]

 Oh and before DPR comes in again and says my reads are all people who are standing up for me/liz are town and those who are calling us scum are scum:

I'll give you that there is some overlap, but the reasoning isn't that we're being thought of as scum it's the thread play, what's being said, and interactions. 

Dice has firmly planted his vote on us, explained how in his eyes he thinks we're scum and that he's not removing his vote from us. I have him as town.

Despite all of the stuff going on between us and Darthe, Liz mentioned in the thread earlier that she thinks Darthe is probably town. 

[seph]

im more or less caught up. going to be isoing a few people that i don't have a handle on. and possibly re read><

[dicetosser1]

 

 

Actually iirc dice was a joke vote too.

 

Dice? Current read on Lizclov and why.

My vote was never a joke. And its staying put.

Recap on why, please?

 

 

Dont like the "haVE TO CONFER ON dARTHE BUT CAN VOTE dICE WITHOUT IT) sorry caps lock sux. 

 

havent been a fan of a lot of both their posts. tone has been hard   and i CAN see why some would call it aggressive   and defensive even when i was the only vote. the beating a rug comment still irks me as i take it as a poke at me that was totally wrong. I dont really care about the partners question but i havent liked the repetitive open ure mind look at others posts.

 

 

they havent really been in danger of being lynched  the votes seem to hit 3 or 4 and stall.

 

so I think they may be scum. I could be wrong I could be right but thats where im going.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i get that you're trying to create interaction

 

and i'm fine with that and that's great, really it is

 

but i'm not fine with your reactions to any pressure on you

 

if you know you're not scum then you should never start asking "who would my partners be?"

 

that makes no sense as a question that town asks

Read what I wrote above.

 

And I hate when people make statmements like "that makes no sense as a question that town asks"

 

Just because you don't understand the reason for the question doesn't mean it doesn't serve a purpose.

 

no legitimately

 

if you are town

 

you know you're town, yes?

 

therefore that question does not make sense to ask

 

because you'd know the assumption behind it is fundamentally flawed

 

you know you would flip town if you got lynched, so why are you saying people should 'look at potential partners' so that the game is more winnable from d2 on?

 

you know you'd going to flip town

 

you know you wouldn't have any partners and so anything said about partners and you would be totally invalid after you flip town

 

you've pretty much convinced me that that was a legitimate slip

 

 

Mind meld with the first bold Cuth, but the second gives me pause - how is that a slip?

 

'Who are my partners then?' is a question I've used in frustration as Town and as distraction as Scum, I can see it going either way here from Liz. Also ftr afaik neither Liz nor Mrs Clov are inexperienced mafia players - that part of your #847 is sticking with me so please explain?

 

 

what bothers me is that he says hes convinced it was a slip  yet he has now unvoted them and said he wont vote them today iirc

[dicetosser1]

@cass  i answered you about tonto....thoughts? or did i miss them somewhere?

[seph]

I'm gonna take a stab at trying to explain why Cuth's unvote was confusing for me, and why it differs from my own.

 

Cuth's vote was for the same reason as mine. Because of liz's comment.

 

I have to speculate on why he unvoted, because he didn't answer me (or if he did I missed it). My speculation is that he unvoted because Liz asked him to step back and reconsider. He did so and also asked seph to (who immediately complied)

 

I didn't get the feeling that he suddenly thought Lizclov was town. I felt like he still suspected them, but didn't want a speed lynch. But his suspicion of them has seemed to vanish.

 

My reason for unvoting was because I felt like that particular post was getting way too much attention. When something like that happens, it tends to be on town. And is usually scum driven too. I don't have a super confident town read on Lizclov, but I feel like there's a good chance they are.

ooook so eldrick what is this post, pretty much everything you phrased is a misconception. Before i get into it I want to state that I have really been going back and fourth on you, and as mafia I doubt you would be putting this much work in, as to stand out.

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1st bold- actually you had a pretty weak sheep of cuth. You stayed out of the entirety of the conversation and once over followed the thread flow.

 

2nd bold- is actually the reason I stated in the thread of why I though Cuth unvoted, I don't think you once posted your thoughts about it itt.

 

3rd bold- I find extremely hard to believe. unless I am not remembering correctly the only people itt at that time was myself, cuth, you, mrsclov, liz, and possibly darthe. You were actually the last vote on her, and your unvote seemed more panicky becuase you were confused and did not know what to do... 

 

I am going to iso you before but i still keep going back and fourth. this may be the most disturbing thing for me you have posted though.