I think that they will cut out Min loving Rand, and make it more of a plantonic thing.  While turning Elayne & Aviendha into a three way relationship where Rand loves both of them, and they him, and they are in love with each other as well.  (which will make the 4 page bath scenes far more interesting).  They've already talked about the bringing same sex relationships more into the forefront.  They was also speculation about Egwene and Elayne being pillowfriends during their time as novices.  

As for Min, I think they will turn her into more of a guide.  She will be driven by the pattern to aid Rand.  And will work to keep him "down to earth" the same as she does in the books.  But the romantic aspects will be cut out.  

15 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Question.

If the two Rivers is 100% Isolated with Tam being the one outlier in the last 2000 years, How would Elaida even know what a Two Rivers person looks like?
AFAIK she's never stepped foot within the Two Rivers or Emonds Field. Moraine is probably the last Aes Sedia to go there since the Queen of Manetheren died!

 

And there's the genetic distribution within the Two Rivers region, that prevents everyone looking like Cletus.

Tam wasn't an outlander.  He was born and raised in the Two Rivers, and left seeking adventure.  It was his wife Kari, who was the outlander.  

And nowhere in the entire series does it ever say that no one ever leaves the Two Rivers.  

2 hours ago, Deadsy said:

 

 

Yep. Basically the Aiel are the most pale people in the world when they aren't constantly in the sun, and Rand thinks to himself Aviendha is really pale where the sun doesn't hit her. A paragraph from the book saying that Emond's Fielders are darker than Rand where the sun doesn't touch doesn't show that the Emond's Fielders aren't White, given EVERYONE has darker skin than non tan Aiel. That's like saying anything warmer than an ice cube is on fire. On the flip side, there is no definitive statement showing they are all Caucasian/White, either. So the TV show can really do whatever they want depending on their interpretation, or they can just pick the best actors regardless. My only thing is Rand needs to look different from any of the people in that area, so hopefully none of them have red hair and they dye his hair red.

It says their eyes are darker, not their skin.  

12 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

The Aiel live in the Desert, Rand did not. The Aiel are by nature pale, but nature put them in the desert so their skin naturally is tanner. Go back and read some character descriptions, Rand stands out both in hair/eyes, but also complexion. Not greatly (due to tanning), but enough.

 

Sauce: Wot.Fandom.Wiki

Someone doesn't lose their skin color just because they don't live where their ancestors did?  Do you think the son of a Arabic man is gonna not have darker skin if he grows up in the west?  

If you ask me, Rand is the one who should have a darker complexion, not Egwene and Nynaever.  He is half-Aiel, after all, and Aiel have a darker complexion, comparable to a people from the middle east.  And it's said numerous times that Rand could easily pass for a Aielman on looks alone.  

10 hours ago, Elestan said:

 

Breaking the shield was him exercising LTT's knot-bursting skill, plus flexing his own raw strength in the Power.  Bursting the box on the other hand, required channeling a flow of Air, and stilling the sisters was "crushing them ruthlessly with fists of Spirit".  I think I would technically call the latter two, at least, weaves, albeit weaves of a single flow of a single element.

 

I don't think the stilling was accidental; I think LTT put the weave for it in his head.

I wouldn't say that any of them were "weaves"  He was simply lashing out with raw power the whole time.  It took no real focus, except when he was feeling for weaknesses in the shield.  Otherwise he simply flailed out blinding using the power with no real focus.  Even when he stilled them, he was really just throwing spirit out randomly.  I don't think he even used the actual weave for severing.  But the stilling and gentling require heavy amounts of spirit, and so I think he used so much of spirit that it ended up having the same effect.   

On 8/17/2019 at 8:22 AM, Elestan said:

That sounds like Avatar's <element>-bending, which was very cool, and made for wonderful visuals.  However, it would cause a few plot problems in WoT, such as how Rand gets out of the box when he can't move.  There's even some discussion in the books about how the AS's hand gestures are probably only necessary because that's how they've been trained, whereas other channelers don't need them.

Rand doesn't actully "weave" anything to get out of the box.  He feels for when the shield is at it's weakness, and then just unleashes a wave of raw power to overwhelm it.  

I would say that that could be explained by that weaving is only a way to direct and focus the power to certain ends, but the power can be used in a more raw form, but it's much harder to control.  This would explain why Rand "accidently" stilled all the women who held his shield.  It could also explain why the WT needs to train people.  Even someone like Nynaeve, who has a base control naturally could be dangerous if she loses control.  So she has to learn to focus the power, but someone ike Egwene who has no real control could accidently unleash a wave of power that could kill bystanders.

I think they should have literal threads of light, with different colors to represent each element, with are directed by hand movements.  It won't be he same as in the books where the channelors use their minds to control the threads, and literally look like they stand still to non-channelers, but it would make for a great visual element.  I'm picturing it as something similar to Tai Chi, and the threads being woven from the movements.

On 8/12/2019 at 10:13 PM, DemandredFO said:

Nyneave I think is going to be tricky because aside from Rand she arguably has the greatest change and make it feel natural. The character I think will change the most from book to script is Egwene because she's on a glide path from tGH to aMoL and she needs bumps

I do hope they change one thing with Egwene.  I hope they drop the "flame of tar valon" at theend. I think it was a cop out, to suddenly be able to reverse balefire, which, until that time, had a mythos about it of being so dangerous that the shadow even hestitated to use it.   It kinda destroys the purpose if youcan literally "unburn" threads that were burned away by balefire.

Also, I want her to die defeating one of the OTHER forsaken,and leave Taim to the Asha'man.  Logain and the Asha'man spent several books fighting against Taim and his dreadlords, and it felt anti-climatic to have them have no hand in his actual defeat.    It would be better to have an epic Logain vs Taim battle.  

Maybe Egwene could die defeating Demandred after he kills Gawyn.

20 hours ago, DemandredFO said:

They can't now but the fact that Egwene had magical mystery sisters mentioned once and then never again, plus her almost understanding the old tongue, hints at Jordan toying with a different path for Egwene.

They could have one of her sisters end up as a Novice.  I'm surprised that one didn't anyway.   

Loial is the only character I see with heavy CGI.  The fades are gonna be mostly just makeup.  They said from the start that they want to do that.

On 8/15/2019 at 7:02 PM, DemandredFO said:

Yeah that cast list of younger versions of todays stars(especially Affleck) doesn't strike as something a creator who loves his creation would have done.

Relistening to EotW now and I hope they keep the boys' thinking that their friend is really good with the ladies and not them. I'm also noticing the sheer amount of space that will be there because everything will be visual. Granted, I'm listening so I have no exact reference but I'm beginning to see how EotW could be done in five episodes. I also wonder if they'll make Egwene an only child because but for a single reference, they don't exist.

Well, for one, I am sure they will cut out the 10 weeks of riding around in the woods that basically filled up half the book before they all met up in Caemlyn.

I think that Winternight, the Road to Taren Ferry, and everything leading up to their ending up in Shodar Logoth will happen in the first episode.   And their arrival at Shadar Logoth, meeting Mordeth, fleeing the city and being separated will happen in episode 2, as will the Perrin and Egwene's meeting with Elyas, Rand, Mat and Thom's catching a ride on the Spray, and Nynaeve meeting up with Moiraine and Lan.

After that will an episode of them being separated...to give time for Rand's acrobatics on the Spray's mast, Mat sitting by himself jacking off to a dagger, and Thom  wanting to kill himself for even knowing either of them.  And of course Perrin, Elyas, and Egwene's time with the Tinkers, if they are gonna still have Arem, and all of that.  and everything else that happened, and that episode can end with the Fade attacking them at Whitebridge, and Thom's "death".

There is not reason at all to even have Rand and Mat's actual journey, unless you want to use it to introduce the idea that darkfriends can be anyone and live anywhere.  Because it was the first actual confirmation of darkfriends.  They were merely mentioned before this, but personally, I don't care.  I would just as soon have their first scenes be of them arriving at Caemlyn.   

Morgause needs to be a major star.  She isn't in the series enough to not use her as a chance to have a big drawing name for the role.  

I say Nicole Kiddman.  She's a major star, and almost everyone's dream actor for the role. 

Sony and Amazon have been willing to splurge on big names for important minor roles in the past.  And she could serve as a spokesperson for the series, and do interviews to promote it as well.

always thought that David Thewlis would make a great Fain.  He can do the dark, crazy characters.  

Thom is one of the roles which I think should go to a somewhat well known actor.  Preferably a stage actor who has done Shakespear, since I feel that the "High Chant" version of stories would kinda work like somewhat hammy Shakespear style acting.  

3 hours ago, Pandemonium said:

wot is all about balance.  nothing goes unopposed.  to accept that balefire, the chaos force, is unopposed would mean there is no higher unifying force.  that would be counter to the patter, the creator, the yin yang and everything wot stands for.  I thing RJ planned this early on and it is nice to finally know the meaning of the flame of the aes sedai.

Yes, but it also destroys the entire mythos created around balefire, and the reason it's feared.  Even the shadow hesitates to use it because of the danger it poses.  

On 7/9/2019 at 10:19 AM, HispAnakin said:

 

that would be horrible..why is 'Flame of Tar Valon' 'BS' but Asha'man ok? its cant be because...wait..she's a girl??

 

She had THE BEST 'I'm going out like a MFING CHAMP ending in the entire book. She WAS the Amyrlin Seat in all it's Glory. Her battle with Taim will DRIVE the show. its going to be 2020 this will resonate incredibly with fans.

It's because for the better part of three books, Logan and Androl were fighting against Taim.  It felt completely wrong for them to have no part in his defeat just to give Egwene, who has almost no contact with him at all, something to do.  They could have easily had Egwene fight one of the other Forsaken and left Taim and his dreadlords for Logain and the Asha'man, who had been the only ones actively opposing him from the start.  

And the reason I hate the flame of tar valon story arc is because it feels like they are just threw out the entire concept of balefire.  Balefire is supposed to literally born away threads of the pattern.  There shouldn't be a weave that reverses it.  

GOT was smart by getting unknowns for most of the roles, and then some known, but not hugely famous actors to play some of the parts.  

Sean Bean and Mark Addy were likely the two most well known actors in season one, and they both died that season.  

Peter Dinklege had done a few movies, but wasn't a household name until GOT got big.

Charles Dance, who played Tywin was a famous stage actor, but was never really big in general.  

I like Egwene as a character, but I feel that her ending story arc as a cop out.  So, not only does she get to be the one who takes out Taim (something that should have been done by Logain, seeing as he and the Asha'man were the ones who were fightijng time for the last three books), but she also, but suddely she knows how to reverse balefire?  

You aren't gonna get known actors.  They are gonna go with unknowns for the main cast, other than Moiraine.  You might get a well known actor in a small role, such as Tam,

Or perhaps in a role which will be killed off a couple seasons in, but gets little direct screen time, such as Ishmael.  (he appears mostly in dreams in the first two books, and then dies in book 3.) I would l love to see them use a well know start for Ishy and then switch to a unknown for moridin.  It would be interesting to see how many people who haven't read the series can catch on that it's the same character in a new body..  

On 7/9/2019 at 10:19 AM, HispAnakin said:

 

that would be horrible..why is 'Flame of Tar Valon' 'BS' but Asha'man ok? its cant be because...wait..she's a girl??

 

She had THE BEST 'I'm going out like a MFING CHAMP ending in the entire book. She WAS the Amyrlin Seat in all it's Glory. Her battle with Taim will DRIVE the show. its going to be 2020 this will resonate incredibly with fans.

Two reasons..

1; I think the "Flame of Tar Valon" was a BS way to just counter balefire, which by it's very nature should be irreversable.  Balefire literally burns things out of existance.  There shouldn't be a weave which just "unburns" things.  The wheel of time literally had to blend Rand and Moridin's souls together because of their use of balefire on each other, but somehow there just happens to be a weave that can just undo it's effects?  It's a cop out.    

2; It would be far more poetic for Logain and Androl, and the Asha'man to be the ones to defeat Taim, since they both spend a good portion of the last three books fighting against him and his dreadlords.  There are plenty of other powerful forsaken that Egwene could fight.  She had almost no interactions at all with Taim throughout the series, but somehow she ends up being the one who takes him out?  

It just seems to be that it robbed the true Asha'man of the chance to bring justice to the one who tried to destroy the black tower, just to give egwene a moment which could have easly been done with ANY of the other Forsaken.

1 hour ago, DemandredFO said:

Watchers would be bored to tears if Egwene got anywhere near the amount of screen, especially later books when all of her screen time is politics.

Which is why I think they will drop her "Flame of Tar Valon" BS, and have Logain, Androl, and the Asha'man be the ones who battle Taim.  

Illian is supposed to be dutch according to RJ, but it sounds more like a very deep scottish accent.

I kinda hope they drop Egwene's final arcs, with the "flame of Tar Valon" and have Logan and the Asha'man be the ones who fight the final battle with Taim and his dreadlords.

It would be far more fitting for the TRUE Asha'man to defeat the ones who betrayed them.  

23 minutes ago, Jaglover said:

Well one problem with the Robin Hood legend is that he somewhat predates the mass adoption of the longbow in England.

 

The longbow had been around before the middle ages, but, in its more modern form, was first encountered by Norman invaders of wales. Thereafter it was adopted by the English and at one point practice with it became compulsory.

 

In the books we are presented with the longbow as being unique to one area, that of the Two Rivers, which corresponds to its position with the Welsh at the late twelve century.

 

 

No longbows are common in WOT.  The thing that is unique is the thickness of the bow, requiring greater strength and special training to draw fully.  I believe the archers in the Band of the Red Hand also use longbows, but they are not as thick as the two rivers bows. 

If you recall, Mat made his bow out of a peice of woof that he bought from a merchant.   The man though it was a quarterstaff when he solld it to Mat, but Mat recognized it as the type of wood used to  make a two rivers longbow.    

This also also fits with Nottinghamshire.   Their bows were supposedly much thicker and stronger, and couild shoot farther than normal longbows.