If keeping the knowledge of Traveling is so important, and it is, Why doesn't Egwene Travel halfway to Ebou Dar to intercept the raiding party?

Plothole.

Fain visited the Tower after the Two Rivers. Spent some time there, talking to Elaida a few times. He met Alviarin too, when retrieving his dagger.

The Fires of Heaven Prologue and Chapter 19.

Also, severing someone would NOT be a death sentence at all.

It would shorten the person's lifespan and they would need a good psychologist (which the third agers obviously do not have) and some extra bit. I don't think losing the power is much worse than losing a drug forever + a deep depression.

Just what happened to Galina.

1) 'I swear that I will never break the law again, nor directly, nor indirectly'.

2) 'I swear that I'll obey the instructions of the judge's sentence completely'.

The judge:

1. You are never to break the law again, nor directly, nor indirectly.
   
2. You will not remove your oath.
   
3. You are to serve a sentence of 20 years this way: ...
   
4. You will return to this office every year and follow the instructions given to you.
   

He didn't.

The perfect justice system.

You won't commit crime twice.

And you work say 20 years in civil service for free or repay in some way. Who knows what else. You also lose 70 years of your life.

I believe that in the AOL they were only to take one oath (something like 'I will follow the orders of the court') so as to minimize the effect.

 

They didn't take any in the AoL. "Binders" were used on criminals...

Zeesh. And how did you think it was used on them?

Obviously, by them swearing an oath to follow the law (bind themselves as criminals).

Maybe not being able to have children is a limitation of the Binder. After all, the criminals the Binder was used on were imprisoned, probably for life, and they weren't allowed conjugal visits.

Very unlikely. The point of the binder is that they do not HAVE to be imprisoned at all. They can make them swear an oath to obey the law fully, or obey the judge's orders completely. Then given instruction on what they can do, and what they can't do.

So why would they be imprisoned?

We shouléd be discussing all this in a different topic by the way.

Yea and why did she lose it in the first place?

 

Well if Aes Sedai age twice as fast when under oath (but their face doesn't) she would have been about 60-ish in body and most women have gone through menopause by then.

Well, as far as I know, Siuan is about 60 years old.

From what we gather, AS with the oath live about 300 years old (max). So they should be aging about 4 times slower than normal person (AS without the oath age about 8 times slower).

For the sake of simplicity, let's assume that AS start slowing at the age of 20 and they they age about 5 times slower than a normal person (with the Oath Rod) or about 10 times slower (without the Oath Rod), if they are at max strength.

Now for Siuan, we could assume it's 20 years old when she started slowing, that her multiplier is about 4 (8 w/o the oaths).

At the age of 60, she should have the body of 20 + (60-20)/4 = 30 with the oath rod or 20 + (60-20)/8 = 25 without the oath rod.

This doesn't make sense.

Yea and why did she lose it in the first place?

I believe that in the AOL they were only to take one oath (something like 'I will follow the orders of the court') so as to minimize the effect.

I think the AS are in for a big surprise if they plan to be AS and retire into the Kin. They will not become any younger (it would contradict any natural low if that were the case), just not age as fast in the future. This is one of the reasons why Egwene's plan is stupid.

Then again, we don't really know.

Those who get stilled seem to grow younger.

Those who start channeling later seems to grow younger.

I've yet to see a theory that explains how it all works. Does anyone have one?

Elaida IS a 'good guy'. She's misguided and corrupted by Fain and used as a tool by the Black Ajah (Alviarin), but her thoughts imply that clearly enough. She's even capable.

I don't. I didn't even know about WoT then.

So? What would that prove?

1) If the forkroot tea affects those who can learn to channel, the Seanchan would be stupid not to know that the forkroot tea affects sul'dam candidates AND da'mane candidates. So where's the surprise? They make everyone drink the tea, and those affected get tested for sul'dam or da'mane with the a'dam.

2) If the forkroot tea only affects those who started to channel (or reached the brink of it, like a lot of sul'dam did), how would they learn that? They wouldn't make the sul'dam drink that, just like they wouldn't test sul'dam with the a'dam after a point.

3) If they start catching sul'dam who are on the brink, that only proves that sul'dam might turn into beasts too. It wouldn't be hard to ideologize that they decided to channel and thus turned into an animal. So what. There are more learners then sparkers, it's not like they wouldn't have enough sul'dam left.

There are a lot of sul'dam right now and THEY won't drink forkroot tea. So it's not likely to be an issue for decades yet.

Or they may have realized that the forkroot tea finds sul'dam too. Why would that be a problem? They test with forkroot first and with a'dam second.

Her image has been ruined. It's not the spanking, it's the loss of face. Semirhage values her image, her awesomeness above all.

Now everyone there would see her as human, as a misbehaving child. Everyone. And the tales they will carry.

LOL...

I did find this quote but it does not say anything about releasing oneself from the oaths or tel'aran'rhiod

It wouldn't have been in the last hour of her life. But I actually had an idea how it could work. Egwene should have linked with Verin, then create a gateway to the BA-hunters, who had the Oath Rod (that was why Verin couldn't find it), help Verin unswearing the oaths, then go to Nynaeve, so that she could heal Verin (or maybe Doesine could do that...)

Probably. But Egwene had a very bad day. That day and the one after that, she did one brainless thing after the other. It's amazing to read, really. I wonder if it's just plotholes upon plotholes instead. (I mean such stupid things happen I'd rather call them plotholes they seem so implausible)

Oaths can be removed by unswearing on any oath rod, I believe. They can even be removed (or sworn) by using an oath rod dreamt up in TAR.

 

What makes you think that?

Can't remember the exact reference or find the quote but it was clarified. I'm sure Luckers or Terez et al will dig it up.

No, because we are lazy. It's in my sig > reference library > interview database > one power

There is no such quote there. I got to that page and searched for 'oath'.

Oaths can be removed by unswearing on any oath rod, I believe. They can even be removed (or sworn) by using an oath rod dreamt up in TAR.

What makes you think that?

No they cannot. The oath rods only work on channelers. It doesn't matter who channels the spirit into the rod, but it only binds channelers.

According to Sammael, there is a way to control non-channelers, but harder. (It comes up with his dealing with Sevanna)

I believe that if you swear on one oath rod, you can remove your oaths by that one ONLY, but I don't think there is a proof either way. (The reasoning is that they used them to bind criminals in the AOL. Now that wouldn't be much help if you could get ANY rod and unbind yourself with it. Also, therods are numbered. Of course this doesn't prove anything, maybe they were more careful with their oath(s) and that's all. It only takes one oath of obedience and a few orders not to be able to use the rod again, afterall.)

Taim?

Egwene, Alviarin and the BA hunters.

How could they NOT figure out that Alviarin is Black Ajah? Either her or Elaida should be and Egwene has Alviarin's letter as a clue (with lies).

Is that a plothole?

I think no one is in control in Ghealdan, so that would make 23.

Alliandre is (and Perrin).