God, that would be even worse than Rafes version. I cringed at literally every cut you listed, except the circus. Tam as Damodred 🤮

Yeah, nobody is saving this series. It was never an option. Viewership had a huge drop off after s1, and that continued. There is not a fanbase big enough to make continuing a viable option. Especially at the ridiculous cost associated with the series. Book readers bailed early, and picking up new fans just wasn’t going to happen. what I want is an animated series that actually follows the books. But that is also unlikely.

Man, I just don’t think you understand what I wrote in this thread, what Jordan wrote in the books, or what he, himself publicly stated. you keep saying I’m wrong. You also keep making ridiculous statements like “Jordan’s gender roles are arbitrary and invented”, which of course they were invented, it’s a fantasy world, but they certainly weren’t arbitrary, they were specific to different regions and cultures. The idea you think gender roles are about baking bread and raising families is absurd. There is far more to it than that. Gender roles have always varied from culture to culture, with certain roles being widely accepted, like men going to war and doing the hunting, women child rearing, preserving foods and foraging, etc. while others are vastly different than ours. In some cultures women have always been head of the household, but in most it’s men. What doesn’t change is that both sexes, in every culture, have gender roles that complement each other. And there were plenty of regular families, but you realize that we spend the books following the characters that that are literally changing the world around them, just because they aren’t the focus, doesn’t mean they weren’t there. I mean, it is there. All of Emonds Field for one. The regular folk of Camelyn and the like. In book two the horn hunters come across a slaughtered village, those people were just going about their lives, and have no part in the story beyond their deaths. Of course we aren’t regularly experiencing that part of life, but it’s definitely there. They just aren’t usually the focus of the story. We’re following characters of prophecy, kings, queens, generals, powerful Wizards, witches, and warriors. The people living normal lives are in the background. There is no reason to follow them.

You don’t understand how those nobles raising the defence of Emonds Field, putting their own lives on the line for a tiny community would change peoples opinions of them? it’s literally the most human thing in the world. We are walking contradiction. Millions of British throughout history did not love the monarchy, but were happy to fight for king and country (and just as many who did not want to defend king and country). Humans are tribal. Perrin, and by extension Faile, are part of their tribe, even if it’s in a separate and not necessarily equal way.

First, I didn’t attack you. second, gender roles vary from culture to culture, but they all complement and complete each other. This isn’t arguable. You keep skipping over the part where Jordan specifically stated these things in multiple Q&A sessions and talks he did over the years. your weird insistence that it can’t be about gender roles because those roles are different from culture to culture is just ridiculous on its face. Obviously the series explored those roles through the lens of very different cultures and societies, but the clear through line is that in each culture those roles complement and complete each other. Again, this is not just clear in the books, RJ spoke on it many times publicly. I’m sorry you can’t comprehend what is the clearest theme of the book.

The idea that the prologue wouldn’t work on screen is ridiculous. A simple “Three thousand years ago…” on screen as the prologue begins would ensure everyone understood what was happening. Further understanding would have come through future storytelling, the same way it did for us who first started reading the series over thirty years ago. “It wouldn’t work on screen” is a pure cop out.

Yeah, as said above, that’s how it’s described. A gleaming, white tower.

The idea that anyone would know your amorphous “We” means you and your husband in reply to a post that is talking about book readers generally is a bit absurd. If you meant “My husband and I”, you should have written those words. To anyone else, “We” in response to that post would clearly be read as you making a claim for book readers in general. It’s fine if that wasn’t your intention, but that’s absolutely how it reads.

ok, so now you’re pretending that themes Robert Jordan specifically stated were the major themes of the series, and the rest of us clearly saw in the books aren’t actually real? Over and over Jordan spoke about how the series was an exploration of sex and how the two sexes need and complete and complement each other. It doesn’t matter if different societies have different gender roles, the different gender roles in those societies all complement each other. Never mind that channelers are at their most powerful when men and women link in a circle, becoming whole. You can continue to ignore those themes, but tgey are extremely clear throughout the series. Faile being the brains to Perrins brawn, Lan being the quiet, contemplative anchor against Nynaeves brashness and fury, and how the forsaken couldn’t win because through their selfishness they could never give any true part of themselves to anyone else. I could go on and on, but to deny it is to be willfully blind.

you are giving far too much credit to Rafe if you think he was laying the groundwork for the future. In fact, one of the things Sanderson mentioned was that Rafe wouldn’t listen to him about the way his early changes would spiral out of control down the line and fundamentally change the story the books tell. From the (truly awful) very first scene, we see that Rafe clearly didn’t care about some of the most important rules of the world of Wheel of Time. Who is we? If “We” liked it, the millions of us long time book readers would have continued to show up for it, not massively drop off with each season. I’m sure some book readers enjoyed it, but for you to make that claim for the rest of us is a bit presumptuous. I personally know very few long time readers with much good to say about it. in fact, the only people I personally know who liked it are women who never read the books, but that is anecdotal, just like your “We”

Reading this, I’m not sure you understand the Unreliable Narrator trope is. It absolutely has nothing to do with book characters being wrong or not understanding certain facts or aspects of the story. RJ talked extensively about the minor and major themes of the series, and Unreliable Narrator was never among them. A better example of the Unreliable Narrator is Kvothe in The Kingkiller Chronicles. Where you get a single characters narrative wiyh no outside influence or character POV. You get his version of the story, and no other information, which paints him as the misunderstood hero, and everyone else as an impediment to his own goals. It seems like you think the UN trope is about characters not understanding specific story elements such as the prophecies. That is not an example of UN. The major themes of WoT were the exploration of the sexes, misinterpretation of prophecy, and how men and women, and gender roles make us whole. This is not just about relationships, but in world views, politics, and society. Honestly, that’s why there was never a chance of a faithful interpretation of the books in our overly sensitive modern society, even though it would have been more successful had it actually followed those themes instead of turning it into “Girl Power and (Sometimes) the Boy Dragon”. Instead of a show about the sexes complementing each other, we got a show where the boys were secondary and useless without the women.

How could a poor imitation that actively butchers the lore of the books possibly teach anyone anything about the source material? My interpretation isn’t gospel, the source material is. I haven’t seen a single part of the story that the writers illuminated or expanded on. They actively changed characters in ways that added absolutely nothing to the story. Perrin and Femicide. Mat being trash with a trash family. Rand and Egwene having a sexual relationship. Basically cutting Thom down to a cameo. Pairing everyone off in relationships that made no sense beyond pleasing the weird internet shipping culture. I mean Rand sleeping with a forsaken? Really? They killed Loial. please, tell me anything Rafe made better? this is more complete nonsense. Being against changing characters sexuality to create “hotter tv” isn’t bigoted or anti-woke. Being against them ignoring that souls are attached to sex, which is a major theme of the books, is not anti-woke. If it is, then apparently my gay sister who organizes pride events and runs support programs for LGBT teens must also be an anti-woke right wing bigot for also having major issues with these things. None of the changes are for the better, gay or straight. Mat and Min and Rand and Lanfear is just as wrong as Elayne and Avienda. At least Moiraine and Suian have actual history in the books, but it’s clear they were also changing where those characters were going to end up in the end. It’s not about hating any sexuality, it’s about changes to characters that can only snowball further and further into a work that’s unrecognizable to fans who waited over 30 years to faithful adaptation of their favourite work, only to basically be slapped in the face. Pretending we have a poor understanding of the books sure is a take. I’d say us actually understanding the books and its major themes is why we dislike the show so much. It’s funny, because I’ve met RJ multiple times before his death, and listened to him talk multiple times at readings and Q&A’s talk about the books at their core being an exploration of the two sexes and how their differences create a whole that compliments each other and allows them to create greater works together than separately, and how the Forsaken couldn’t win because their selfishness prevented the halves from becoming whole. And how Rand couldn’t possibly win if he didn’t accept that he needed the women in his life to make him whole. Some of you would have thought Jordan was pretty anti-woke. Balthamel was literally punished by being put in a body that could never match his soul. Saudin and Saidar make very clear what his beliefs were.

You’re literally writing long winded nonsense that says absolutely nothing. of course she didn’t know every detail about the prophecy, it’s prophecy, that’s the damn point. But EVERYONE in the world knows the prophecy exists, and knows it’s a male channeler. Pretending the world didn’t know the dragon reborn would be a man is straight up lying. Everyone, the whole world, had a fear of the Dragon because he was a male channeler. you bring up all these details that make no sense. It doesn’t matter that he’s half Aiel. Nothing you mentioned changes that the world knows the prophecy and that it refers to a male. Pretending Moiraine not knowing extremely personal details about Rand before she met him in any way changes that she and the whole world would know it was a man is complete nonsense. It was one of the most ridiculous charges to the first season that caused a major spiral of nonsense that was specifically created to further write down the importance of the three main characters. From the very first scene it was clear that Rafe wanted to butcher the story for the nonexistent “Modern Audience”, and he made the whole show worse for it. There is not a single change the writers made that was for the better. We all know you have to cut content to create a TV series, but there is zero reason to change the worlds lore. And he did it from the very first scene. “When you touch the source you make it filthy!” Ummm… What? It just went completely off the rails from there. After thet made Egwene the hero of the Eye, taking that moment from Rand, it was clear they had no intention of telling the story of the WoT, and it got two too many seasons after that. If they don’t want to respect the source material, they should fail.

No, most definitely not. Fan fiction does not illuminate source material.

The end of book one was far better than anything done in season one of this show.