The bold has literally been DPR's style this game. He's got a fair amount of posts doing exactly this.

*groans*

I say this as somebody who said they were coming after DPR today: we should avoid absolutes. Was DPR doing it on purpose or just playing bad? We can think the former, but we can't exclude the latter just because it doesn't fit what we "want". That's exactly what I was sussing Ithi for yesterday.

Ok, thanks. I mean, yeah, I saw those posts but just didn't see it as breadcrumbing. To me, it looked more like fearmongering.

Ouch, and you said your posts were invisible, heh. What the hell do you think I've been doing?

Reasonable answer. If I was tunneling or needing to get you lynched, I would have voted you and tried to convince others to follow. I did none of that, because Dice was still my WTL. Excellent question. I didn't think we had time for a CFD (and I'm not that huge of a fan of them anyway). I was trying to just get posts out and communicate, and then Darthe ended day.

Btw, this was not me nudging at you - I was seriously just wanting to understand. Makes sense.

Goofy shit =/= what I'm saying Marsh did. Him casing Heayy is literally the definition of solving. Who are you trying to fool here? This is amazing to read how you keep bouncing in every direction.

I think I missed this. Can you point me to where Dice said something that was obvious?

100% misrep I didn't tunnel Ithi - I just called out how she wasn't considering Marsh as town. If you read my WTL, it had you and Dice. I added her afterwards. So, a surprise vote for somebody I had sussed in my first reads post? Actually, he was literally the first sus I had all game (his bowing to Key). Try harder.

How often do you see that level of effort in scum players on D1? Pretty much never is the answer. Nobody is "obvious" town, but he was pretty reasonably town. That's more than enough.

While I concur on the blaming of Darthe, heh, what is the point of this post? If I'm missing something, my bad - but I don't understand what you're saying....

As somebody who looks for slips as a method of scumhunting, no. I didn't notice it, because I don't think he slipped. I think you pounced on what you thought you could qualify as a slip. It's pretty much what I did last game as scum. You're making my point for me here, Wes.

I think you're attributing too much thought within literally 1-2 minutes of gameplay with that 2nd paragraph. As for the 1st, just lol. I just re-read the entire interaction you and Marsh had. He explained how he did not lay a trap or trying to plot something. If you read his original case, his explanations make perfect sense. He didn't botch anything. Now, if Heavy is actually town, he did make a mistake in that assessment, but that doesn't impact the case he made and how you reacted to it. Honestly? I think he might have made an incorrect case on Heavy (I still lean a little town here), but instead caught you completely by accident. You jumped on him for semantics, he explained it....and you doubled down on being obtuse about it. You're still doing it.

I'm more than a little surprised that you're not reading me as town right now. For multiple reasons. And I did suggest maybe after a red peek the Cop might consider it. I know I would. And Condemner? I've sussed a few different people and didn't focus on any one. Actually, if you look back, I did ask if anybody was tunneling at all. Funny enough, your focus on Marsh is what prompted me to post that. Go figure. So you're saying Rand tried to get a CFD with barely a minute left in day? Actually, I might be coming out the gates at you, brotein shake.

For the record, I'm not sure I buy this. I'm not going to vote an un-cc'd Cop, but still.....yuck.

It was!

@dicetosser1 Read the bold again, please. Scum want the path of least resistance - why essentially draw attention to himself by voting a player not in lynch contention?

I don't have an issue with saying you'd change your view based on evidence - my issue is that you gave 2 options for Marsh, and both were him as scum. You never gave him the opportunity to be town. I read him as town, so it's not like there weren't signs. His Thesaurus posts were clearly frustrated town. Aww shucks, you'll make me blush. And if Dice is the GF? Don't you think he'd claim Cop in this instance? HAHAHAHA, please come at me if you think you have even a remote chance of lynching me. People voted Marsh with "imo bad reasoning". You don't like my vote on Dice? Ok. Why would I vote Heavy? I was leaning town, though expressed my discomfort with having Marsh town, who thought Heavy was scum. I'm sure you read that, though. Popped in when Dice asked, lol. Pay attention to the thread, Turin. I did post when and how long my break would be twice yesterday, and it was pretty much exactly as I stated. Nice try, heh. Actually, it isn't. If I wanted the Cop dead (assuming you are), I would have not unvoted. I could have claimed a million reasons to why I didn't unvote with barely 2 minutes left in the day. I'm not confident on that slot. I leaned town because he felt the same way he did in my first game back when he went a little emo and was town. I was giving the benefit of the doubt, but Marsh being so certain makes me not sure. This is just wrong. He could be scum (like the GF), so a Cop viewing him would think he's just drawing fire away from the real Cop. So yeah, still a POI......but he's also the un-cc'd Cop. You can be both. I was committed to him being mafia, but I'm not going to keep my vote on a claimed Cop. As for Key, that's pretty clear. I have a town lean on her, which is much more than anybody else on that train. But if you were paying attention to the thread earlier, you saw Dice essentially bow to Key and ask her if she wanted anything from him. How often do you see Dice do something like that?

Lenlo mindmeld ninja.

If he's the real Cop, he's either dead tonight, or perma-RBed. Good news is that means Doc will have free reign to protect from NKs. This could actually be a good thing for town.

The exception here is Key - she's last as I did have her as a town lean prior to all this. And the way a scum lean in Dice treated her makes me think they have the potential to be teammates, but only if Dice is scum. That made sense in my head, not sure. Dice gets left in WTL because of GF potential. If true, the real Cop needs to consider all angles, and maybe grab a red peek before countering so we get a 2fer in the deal. Maybe.

In case I don't live to see the morning, here's where I'm at after this flip. Wagonomics states that Rand is most likely town. If scum and Dice is town, then Rand would just state internet lag or something and boom - cop is dead. That he moved means most likely town. He currently stands alone. Town Rand Next is the town lean group. I gave some thoughts on these before - nothing has really changed yet. Town Lean Nyn Key Lenlo Next is the "who the eff knows" group. I just don't have enough to read yet (for me). I know Turin has plenty of content, but he spent too much time D1 defending everything said to Ithi that it muddies the read a bit. I'm confused on Heavy. Marsh had him scum, but I was leaning the other way. I'll meet Marsh in the middle and place Heavy here for now. Ed and Tigs I don't have a read on. Null Turin Heavy Ed Tigs Now my WTL group. I had already put DPR and Dice in my scum leans, and Ithi joins them with her bad take on Marsh only being able to be scum. Not allowing for incorrect assumptions is not townie behavior. And I did say I'm killing everybody on Marsh's lynch train. WTL Ithi DPR Dice

Can't wait to hear how Marsh was super scummy and it's his fault he was lynched. Also can't wait to hear how Ithi explains how she was not willing to entertain being wrong while being wrong.....or just being right and scum. Fun times we live in.

HAHAHA - I was not pulling your leg. Love that movie, but totally forgot his name. Well done on the unintentional misdirection there. Love it.