All the bold above seems to disagree with you. You suggest this is the most likely scenario, and you're good enough to add tidbits about things "making the most sense", but each post above (all those "no world" comments) contains language that states scum!Dice is the only way.

I'm not sure what your point is in all that.

What do you call the angle you're taking that Dice can only be scum?

You didn't catch the overall tone of my post? I think it's interesting that a clearly sus post towards DPR would be viewed as me saying something townie of him.

If DPR is scum, this is the scummiest post in the game thus far. The bold in particular is just "yuck". Mafia are supposed to look like town - why would they try and nudge people to vote? That would look scummy. Do you recall the post I made about how DPR appeared to be setting the table and seeing who would come eat? If one of these is scum, very likely the other is as well. I know others have commented already, but it's true. This is not a good look - Darthe was clear enough when he admitted skimming the wiki role. You're trying to not be framey.....while being framey.

I definitely am. A bot, that is.

/out j/k

That would be glorious and horrendous to behold at the same time.

Allow to me to answer for our esteemed Dice: "cause he voted me and had bad raisins and then I didn't like how he looked at me - obv scum"

If the bold is what you're stuck on, it's not relevant. Dice played scummy enough to get run up, regardless of whether he wanted to or not. Typically, scum don't want to be voted, so claiming Cop is the right scum play. If he's town, then obv all this is moot.

Very true, but the alternative is getting lynched so it's just the right play to make.

Here's how I'm looking at it, and I'll use Occam's Razor. D1, I thought Dice was a little scummy, and by EOD I was willing to lynch him for it. He claimed Cop. The most obvious thing, if I was right, is that he fake claimed Cop as anybody in his place would do. It's pretty standard procedure for a run-up scum player. If I'm wrong, then Dice is town Cop and I apologize postgame for not fully believing. I really don't think a "gambit" of Dice fake claiming as scum is that complicated.

Can't tell if the bold is snark or not. Regardless, don't you think that's a particularly important tidbit for the class to agree on?

Are you saying you disagree with DPR's assessment that Dice is scum? Look, I know you've seen some of the sh*t that has been posted over the last few games. Do you really think it that crazy of a scenario that people might try to get cute instead of just performing the most logical action? Look me in the eyes and tell me you think I'm way off base, here. As for a better explanation, I admit to not currently having one.

Something we agree on.

Intolerant DPR is a great version of DPR. Just sayin'.

Btw I wasn't suggesting strongarm can't always kill - I mean the mafia might not always decide to use that to kill the Cop. Obviously we disagree on that piece, which is fine. What would I do? If I'm scum and Dice is not - he gets strongarmed in the face that night. But I can't think only of how I would play it, and neither can you. You are doing that, though. You want everybody to assume it only gets played one way, but that's just not the case.

So here's my interpretation of what you seem to be doing: You clearly state you think Dice is scum, but you're not voting him. What you are doing is slapping the sh*t out of Rand, heh. Town!DPR is way more tolerant than this, but maybe you've changed in the years since we played. Scum!DPR was always a little more feisty, but again - see my prior sentence. That said, are you suggesting we lynch Dice today? Because that's a tall order with an un-cc'd Cop. I say this because if you think X player is obvious scum, you need to remove them from the game. You're zeroing in on the assumption strongman always kills the Cop here, but that's simply not always the case. RBing him and letting him push a bad agenda can also work for scum as they can just kill him whenever they need the RB elsewhere or he starts making sense. I'm pretty sure we've done this on JN more than once. This feels a little like you're setting the table and hoping others sit down to eat, because you are polished and manipulative enough to do it.

@DPR State your plan. I know you have one, and anybody with a brain can see how you're now leaning. Out with it. You and Turin both are like split personalities this game. FFS, pick one and stick with it.

Yes, I think it is possible. I think it assigns a level of manipulation to those two that I wouldn't normally assign to them, though. But it's certainly possible. Responses in blue. It's a you thing. Good luck getting there. More responses in red. You seem like two different people sometimes when you post - it's weird. Some are thoughtful and insightful and overall solid. And then there's the above, heh.

What about me had you forgotten? And you're nuts if you really think I'm scum here. I mean, forget my content - and I hate saying this - but you can't tell from general tone?

My comments in blue.

??? Btw, re-read p32. Mostly it is the discussion a few people had with Dice around the unvotes and EOD movement. That discussion was continued into subsequent pages (I think), so I don't really see why you're pointing out that page.

Ok, so I had it backwards.

I'll go check now.