Popping in between family photos. Tigraine's whole thing against me is angle shooty as all get out. I was not

Keep reading. There's a post from Darthe you missed, which I quoted in my own catch up posts.

I can elaborate on my Zander read since I didn't explain it much. I'm seeing two things in this thread: Happy Zander and ADHD Zander. Based on my memories of playing with him before, those are town signs. Town Zander is generally in a good mood but dives after whatever leads come up. Then if those go nowhere he's perfectly willing to change his mind. See, for example, how quickly he voted Heavy a few hours ago when he thought there had been a slip, and how quickly he unvoted when Ithi (I think?) pointed out that it wasn't so. Meanwhile Scum Zander tunnels and has a generally more PO'd outlook.

That's correct, and my analysis instantly goes out the window if they convert to SK. And the part where they get removed after winning is what I meant by condemner winning along with town. If that happens, the condemner wins but the town hasn't lost yet.

I hate that you're right. I wanna hang a pirate. Darthe said that the order of operations has the roleblocker first. So scum can kill the hider, but it requires dedicating their roleblock to that slot in addition to their night kill. That's not so hot an idea because it means leaving Dice alive and unblocked for a night, and they've shown willingness to dedicate the roleblocker entirely to making him useless.

On the subject of the condemner though, I'd like to point out that given the choice between lynching a known condemner or a strongly suspected mafia, I'm choosing the mafia. Darthe said the condemner's target was chosen randomly. 10 players left, 9 not counting the condemner, of which 2 are scum and 7 are town. So the condemner a) could theoretically win alongside town, and b) has a ~22% chance that the character Darthe randomly selected is mafia. Meaning, there's a 22% chance the condemner is a strictly pro-town force unless/until that character gets lynched or night killed, which is still slightly better than the 0% chance of a mafia member being a pro-town force.

I gave my impressions of the whole game just after being subbed in yesterday. You probably didn't read it since it seems you only read every 3rd post this game. Nevertheless, here's a quick list. Zander - Tone read Verbal - Here there be WIM and game solving Dice - Claimed cop and there's been plenty of time for a counterclaim since then. He stays town until I have a good reason to think otherwise. DPR - Would vote immediately if not for Verbal's unfortunately correct point a few pages back that the real hider, if your claim was fake, would have no reason not to counterclaim. Nyn - Kinda coasting off my initial town read, but I haven't seen a reason to downgrade her since then either. Ithi - I dislike her reads but she comported herself well during EOD on D2 and helped get rid of a mafia member. Tigraine - IDK. Orange by default because somebody has to be scum. Heavy - Still tone switching a lot, and that self vote was not good. I'm one of those old school people who immediately wants to lynch people who self vote. But I'm also having a hard time imagining this kind of reaction to pressure by anyone with a teammate in a private chat to vent to/get advice from. Although that supposed "slip" definitely didn't happen, I'd still be unsurprised to find out Heavy is the condemner. Playing 3p for the first time would explain a lot. Key - Keeps posting long reads lists that don't say all that much. Just feels like she's pretending to hunt and letting the more vocal town members do the heavy lifting.

Man this is so much easier from my laptop. DPR was dead wrong. Darthe explained the condemner role nearly 24 hours before Heavy's post. However, Heavy seemingly made the assumption that the condemner was choosing his/her target at random. Given that there's no connection between the randomly chosen character and the other mechanics of the game, yeah that's probably what the condemner is doing. But it isn't built into the role, which Heavy's statement could be interpreted as implying.

I prefer not having deadlines on Sunday in general, so I'd be happy with an extension. Sunday night is family dinner with my parents every week.

What even happened while I was asleep? I'm gonna need to read all that again to make sense of it. Did DPR try to lynch someone for false reasons again? I'm gonna look back at the post times and make sure but it looks like that's what happened. Dude, I know you're an un-counterclaimed town role but you're acting anti-town so consistently. I hate that. I'm not happy that we can't in good conscience lynch you even though you're consistently damaging our momentum.

You missed Day 1. I graduate from law school next month and take the Bar exam in July. ABA rules require me to inform you that I am not a lawyer and can't represent myself as one until after passing the Bar.

We're not known for having excellent senses of humor. Mine is an implant. Had the surgery done when I was 12 with a donor organ that came from a German fellow. The anti-rejection pills taste like saurkraut.

Sorry... Didn't know that was supposed to be funny. I was offering alternative explanations in addition to yours, which is plausible. We'll have to wait for Derf to confirm.

The target dies though. It wouldn't make sense to say "removed from the game" when "dead" accomplishes the same effect without causing confusion.

Or maybe DPR didn't read that part of the thread. Or maybe he's sowing confusion again like he did at the end of night 1.

Didn't Darthe say the condemner would be removed from the game when they land the hit? So we'd know if Rand had been the target.

This is a good insight. I wouldn't go so far as to say it eliminates her from consideration entirely but it weighs against her being one of his teammates.

Days are 48 hours, right? I'm gonna be active tonight and tomorrow morning, but I'll have to go silent tomorrow evening for my brother's wedding. Good thing the deadline isn't tomorrow.

I know, I know, it's a sore spot for you. Let the record show that your actions surrounding Ed's lynch are buoying you up on my read list. Before that EOD I had you at the bottom alongside DPR.

The most generous interpretation is that he wanted to identify scum, attack them, and goad them into shooting at him to get him off their backs. It might work on inexperienced scum, or particularly emotionally-driven players. I doubt this crew has many people that would fall for it though.

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Well that explains how he knew Ed was fake claiming. Still, props to him for pressuring Ed into making a major mistake.

No, that's not what he said. I summarized too much. DPR claimed he was starting fights with the intention of drawing the NK. However, I think he was playing scummy and then when he claimed he tried to retcon that as starting fights.