3 hours ago, EmreY said:

As I understand it, they went into lockdown immediately afterwards, and there was no opportunity to recast for the last two episodes.  Also, casting might not be instantaneous and even if it is, the new actor might not be immediately available, etc etc.

 

There might also have been an element of keeping the two actors chronologically separate.  Some (most?) people might have been OK with it, but as I'm one of those who groaned out loud "It's turned into a soap opera" when Vader announced Luke's parentage, I might have been really turned off.

I can somewhat understand the second argument but that's giving them credit I personally don't think they've earned.  Granted, I'm not impartial.

The first is weak tea.  Very weak tea.  Change everyone's story instead of quickly responding to an issue?  You can't do that in the real world.  Imagine Steve Jobs telling his shareholders that they dumbed down the original iPhone because they lost an engineer on the design team and want to launch the phone on time even if it didn't have the touch screen or the various aftermarket apps.

6 hours ago, EmreY said:

there's no helping the fact that the actor was out.

Why couldn't they just recast and quickly keep shooting?  No one has provided a solid answer for that question.  They had to have had many of the actors that originally auditioned for the part in mind that would have been available.

1 hour ago, GoldeneyesND said:

Reacher is such a better show,

I've read maybe ten Reacher books (or something along that line).  This series nailed it.  Great casting, great writing, great everything.  There are certainly differences from the particular book this season was based on but the tone was spot on.  Thoroughly enjoyable.  Two thumbs up from me.

1 hour ago, EmreY said:

We could go round in circles arguing these points, so I'll cut to the chase and slightly concede a point rather than having a sterile argument: Tolkien's universe is among the least magical I know.

Fair enough

40 minutes ago, EmreY said:

In Tolkien's world, "magic" is shorthand for "stuff that happens that we have no understanding of", not anything "supernatural".

Not sure what the difference is here.

40 minutes ago, EmreY said:

Voice commands such as before the Doors of Moria do not count

Why?

2 hours ago, EmreY said:

There is no magic in Middle Earth.

One ring to rule them.......

On 2/9/2022 at 6:10 PM, DojoToad said:

No. I meant when Talmanes is killing fades and has the dragons on the city streets

Talmanes (if he even makes it into the show) will be replaced in that battle by Eaganin (sp?) or some other female character.  Maybe Elayne.

1 hour ago, Cauthonfan4 said:

you don't like the show, maybe stop watching and participating in show-related discussion? (A suggestion.) I doubt the show will get better for you from here

A forum discussion is boring indeed when there is only one view.

19 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

To make the actor for Lan not seem like a robot as he goes into his love story with Nynaeve, but show that he has emotions, even if he does not show them.

They are also losing part of what made this story interesting.  What guy would be crazy enough to be with Nynaeve?  What in the world would make a passionate woman fall in love with stone face?

As Cauthonfan pointed out, there were moments in the books that did very well in letting us know Lan had a heart.  They chose to ignore them.

16 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

There's nothing that contradicts it

As we've endlessly seen, they don't stick to source material anyhow.  Source material has not stopped them from doing anything to this point so you can't say because source material doesn't proscribe it that its 'allowed'.

11 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

So the show writers could choose to do what they felt fit best with the world from their POV.  There's nothing that contradicts it.

I read a quote from Jordan where he stated something very close to 'if people want to change this story, they should go write their own'.

Why even bother using the WOT as a base?  It's apparently too problematic.  An outdated take on feminism, outdated takes on family structures, out of fashion characters, too many characters and locations for a TV series budget, slow story arcs, a difficult magic system, too many moments of internal dialog, etc.   

15 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

Daniel Henney is Korean.  Having a designated mourner, just like this, is an accepted practice in historic Korean culture. 

What the hell does that have to do with the Wheel of Time?  Bury them and give them the last embrace of the mother.  Done.    This isn't a story about Korea.  It isn't a story about now.

Why not add these guys to the mix too...

Even if you go down that road, show me a military burial where anything remotely like this happens.  Stand at attention, dump the body overboard.  NO EMOTION.

11 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

Erasing the existence of the Mayor and the Village Council doesn't.

I couldn't disagree more.  Jordan constantly set up the ying and yang with men and women.  What happens when they work in isolation, what happens when they work together.  Village council vs women's circle.  

40 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

An audience doesn't empathize with 'stone faced and says nothing about his feelings'. 

John Wayne

Early Clint Eastwood

Rip in Yellowstone

on and on and on

37 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:

They explained this in episode. The Shienarans believe that only the Dragon could use the horn.

WHY?????

Just because they "explained it" doesn't mean it makes any sense.

12 hours ago, Truthteller said:

And yet I was primed to love the show, my son even more so, and yet we didn’t.  
 

This is what so many don’t seem to understand, they think the book lovers were predisposed to dislike the show that they, to use your words, have chosen to not like it.

 

In fact, the opposite is true, we desperately wanted to like it, choosing to see it as good as possible time after time.  That is how bad the show is, they could have made any other version of the show and we would have liked it.

 

Instead, they made the worst possible version of the show, a show so bad that the most captive audience, the one most willing to suspend its disbelief, still disliked it.

Couldn't agree more.  I was thrilled when the trailer came out.  I thought it was going to be SO GOOD!  I was completely duped by the trailer.  I didn't go into each episode waiting to be pissed off.  I kept hoping the show defenders would be right.  That something missing or wrong in an earlier episode would get corrected later on.  WAFO.

Puke.

River deltas are the area made of of the silt carried down the and dumped in the sea when the water slows down.  That can't be in cliff formations which can be a short ways up the river.  I think this is the MacKenzie river delta in Canada.  The delta is the flat part...

I get that you have to suspend disbelief when taking in a story like this so I didn't lose my mind over it but it was just one of a hundred things in the series that didn't sit well.  Siuan grew up a fisherman's daughter and speaks somewhat colloquially in the books, but like a court raised noble in the tv series.  Changes the whole feel of who she is supposed to be (for me).

13 minutes ago, Pukel-man said:

What if the show skips over the whole memory loss issue? We really didn't get much of a sense of how tainted the dagger made Mat in the show, versus the slow, deep burn from their progress between White Bridge and Caemlyn (neither of which are in the show). After Moiraine healed Mat in Caemlyn, he apologizes to his friends and says he doesn't remember much past Shadar Logoth. There's no reason right now to believe that the holes in the memory will be a thing. Maybe they'll change that in S2E1, but they don't have to bring it up at all. They already seriously downgraded how dangerous the dagger is (just a scratch causes immediate corruption and death in seconds). I think it's too much to just assume any given detail would be included in the show.

That would be a massive change.  Without the holes, there is no reason for him to ask for the holes in his memory to be filled.  that leads to no battle knowledge.  No band of the red hand, no Tuan, no nothing.....

58 minutes ago, JeffTheWoodlandElf said:

#BannedFromWoTShow

I resemble that!

10 hours ago, TheSmurf said:

criticism of Nakamura

Can we not criticize Nakamura in this thread?  "How different is too different?"  Isn't her role as book expert to tell them the implications of a change?

I'll never condone the threats she says she's gotten but criticism (positive and negative) is the main question of the thread isn't it?

6 hours ago, KakitaOCU said:

No, the white Tower is the Catholic Church/Vatican.
The Hall of the Tower is the College of Cardinals.
The Amyrlin is the Pope.
Sitters are Cardinals

 

Jordan deliberately made that parallel.  You think the politics of the Catholic church aren't in the same boat as other governing bodies or businesses?  Interesting.

I've seen this written before.  I'm not disagreeing with it but did Jordan ever speak about it or write about it?  I never made the comparison when reading the books, probably because I was raised Catholic and those positions are so firmly male in my head that it didn't occur to me.

1 hour ago, Sir_Charrid said:

He is a show runner and writer, he is trying to make a show that appeals to the masses and will do that over 8 seasons. That is a very different skill set to actually writing a novel. 

Rafe apparently doesn't have either skillset.

1 hour ago, Sir_Charrid said:

gain those choices where made in order to make a TV show that works

That isn't some magic 'get out of jail free card' excuse. 

"Oh, I had to make Tam bumble with his sword to make a TV show work." 

"I had to use an eighth of the season on the warder bond to make the TV show work" 

"I had to kill off Aglemar to make a TV show work"  "

I had to introduce Siuan and Tar Valon early to make a TV show work"

It's all crap.

4 hours ago, king of nowhere said:

bel tine is also supposed to happen in winter.

Bel tine is in the spring.  'no goodwife would allow bel tine to come without the spring cleaning being done'.