[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[monstrman]

 

I poked at Tiink a bunch too, but he handled it well. Plus I like that Zander defended Tiink. Unlikely to be his?Monstrman?Tiink? teammate if Zander is indeed a wolf.

A wolf flip of Monstrman basically clears Tiink considering Zander's open defense.

 

 

Just to clarify. Is the bolded (I inserted) correct?

I don't see how my alignment has anything to do with zander's defense of tiink, no

[Guest]

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

 

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

 

you're the one continuing with it.

 

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong. 

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

[monstrman]

I believe he's saying "a wolf flip of zander clears Tiink because of zander's defense of tiink"

[Guest]

 

 

I poked at Tiink a bunch too, but he handled it well. Plus I like that Zander defended Tiink. Unlikely to be his?Monstrman?Tiink? teammate if Zander is indeed a wolf.

A wolf flip of Monstrman basically clears Tiink considering Zander's open defense.

 

Just to clarify. Is the bolded (I inserted) correct?

I don't see how my alignment has anything to do with zander's defense of tiink, no

 

 

Okay. Please clarify the post when you have a moment, Calder?

[monstrman]

 

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

 

 

you're the one continuing with it.

 

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong. 

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

I'm gonna go ahead and end this argument without a response because otherwise we will talk in circles for three hours and no wolves will ever get lynched

 

Why do you think zander is a villager

[Guest]

I believe he's saying "a wolf flip of zander clears Tiink because of zander's defense of tiink"

 

Agreed. That's why I added you to it, because that doesn't make sense to me.

 

How come a wolf flip of Zander would clear Tiink when he defended him? Surely they could just as easily be scum together?

[Calder]

It is entirely possible that my scum list should be altered from Sooh to Besie.

 

Not ready for that change yet. But, Besie is coming off scummy to me in that she is kind of acknowledging the validity of better pushes while not showing any indication that she will help with them. It makes her ISOing feel to me like desparately trying to present a 3rd viable lynch candidate.

 

If it is Besie than she is the most active member of her team.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

There are too many lurkers this game, and Hellian hasn't even posted yet. Ugh, it's so frustrating, because I feel like so many games lately have been decided by lurkers being lynched instead of us having enough info to find and lynch the correct scums.

Sometimes less is more.

 

For you however, I'll make the effort. What do you want my opinion on?

 

Anything. Anyone. Just give me some opinions please.

 

You are town, for making me do this.

 

Zander is town, because Zander.

 

Besie is town because I liked her analysis.

 

dice is scum for taking the easy road.

 

 

 

this post sux.  theres no real thought here.  sooh is town cause she made him play??  but im scum for wanting the same thing?? Zanders town just for existing??  wha??

 

 

I dont understand why this is on the form of a question????

[Calder]

I believe he's saying "a wolf flip of zander clears Tiink because of zander's defense of tiink"

Yes. No manbat in my take there. I dont see a reason why scum Zander advocates for scum Tiink (he was not in trouble). More likely scum Zander hoping to look good if a mislynch of Tiink occurred.

[Calder]

 

 

 

I poked at Tiink a bunch too, but he handled it well. Plus I like that Zander defended Tiink. Unlikely to be his?Monstrman?Tiink? teammate if Zander is indeed a wolf.

A wolf flip of Monstrman basically clears Tiink considering Zander's open defense.

Just to clarify. Is the bolded (I inserted) correct?

I don't see how my alignment has anything to do with zander's defense of tiink, no

Okay. Please clarify the post when you have a moment, Calder?

I clarified just now above. Manbat had it right.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

fine

 

vote believer

[v]dicetosser1[/v]

 

 

Is this something Believer does all the time or should I vote for him now?

 

 

its kinda a running argument at this point. I had a go at him for it last game. First game he was SUPER active every day. was an IC.

 

last game he wasnt.

 

this game not only is he not hes sitting there saying "im not active d1 i dont like d1" etc   if ure here  instead of whinging get in and work. im sick to death of people signing up for games and not posting d1  or for like 5 rl days  so im getting frustrated about it but the whinging just does it for me.  if you can whinge you can play. thats what you signed up for so just do it!

 

im also wary that at some point hes gonna use this i donnt like D1 crud and its gonna bite town.

 

 

Now I'm certain that you don't read my posts.

 

Every single point you take up here I have answered before you made them. I can do it again though, for your convenience.

 

Concern: "You signed up for the game, now play to the level of my satisfaction"

Answer: No. I play the game as I see fit. It depends almost entirely on the role that I am given to see how I play. In that regard I'm a very easy read.

 

Concern: "You don't play the exact same way you did in the previous two games"

Answer: Well spotted, I don't. In Disney my role demanded that I was extremely active and at times intentionally scummy, at times lock town read. In Taron Gaidon I had to be town read D1 and scum read D2 without dying. I played to the role I was given, just like I'm doing every game.

 

Concern: "You don't do my work for me"

Answer: Tough luck, I'm not gonna.

 

Concern: "If we accept that you post less on D1 then at some point you're gonna be scum so that gives you a free pass which I won't give you"

Answer 1: Fair concern. I've answered this in Taron Gaidon however. I find intentional lurking by scum to be despicable and therefore I wouldn't do it. Trust me or not, that's the reason.

Answer 2: If you policy lynch me on D1 every game then you will sacrifice a townie the majority of the time, in my specific case all the time. This is poor play and you shouldn't do it.

 

 

oh i saw them  but its my job to lay out my thoughts.

 

i didnt ask you to do MY work  i just asked you to work. 

 

and the "id never do that " argument means absolutely nothing as has been proved time and again. 

 

You wanna be town read? they play the damned game EVERY day and earn it. Show us ure town. So far in 3 games im yet to see anything other then ure PR claims to have ever town read you off. So ure either an extremely scummy town player or ure doing something wrong

 

 

I mean i get thats its easy to fake but him not doing what people ask his is Town!Meta and you should know this imo from previous games...loo

 

The early reads werent but this response is.

 

I paying close attention to Believer as I catch up to see if I need to adjust my early read.

 

This post would lean me towards considering adjusting it fwiw

[Zander?]

reads

 

Town

 

not lynching

 

Monster 

Sooh

 

 

then besie and darthe    im kinda liking darthes play at the moment.  really liked his post 642  at me.  great tone

 

those not mentioned i dont have a strong opinion on

 

scum

 

believer

 

tink

Whats your read on me Dice?

 

 

 

Don't hate the reads. Although I think you are all misreading Sooh.

 

Scum-Team:

 

Zander - the Wild Card. Does the odd jobs for the crew.

 

Sooh - Their intimidating boss. Some say she has agressive sexual fetishes that frighten the rest of the crew. But, they are criminals. Who are they to judge.

 

Calder, pretend for a second if you will that I can clear myself.

 

Who are then the Wolves?

[Guest]

 

 

*snip*

 

*snip*

I'm gonna go ahead and end this argument without a response because otherwise we will talk in circles for three hours and no wolves will ever get lynched

 

Why do you think zander is a villager

 

 

lol, agreed.

 

I had him as town (with all the reasons indicated in my post on p22) up to that page. Since then, he's had that argument thing with Believer, and I do agree that it made Believer seem towny. But I don't think it did the opposite as well - which was to make Zander seem scummy. imo He was just trying to game solve. Maybe in some strange way, but imo it wasn't that different from when he was arguing with me about how i've come to like being town. He's a meta player. If the meta of a person is challenged, he pokes all possible corners of an argument before accepting it and changing his meta of that person. I honestly think he was just poking and prodding Believer to hear the full extent of Believer's gameplay - to better understand it, and obviously to catch Believer if he was lying too. He backed off - and i think this is a big thing. He backed off of the Believer argument - exactly like he did about mine - because he saw the sense in it and decided that that wasn't a route he could use to find scum. 

 

He's not been around, that is true. But he's been fully busy. I know this. I posted about his time here because i was both trying to find some other reason for his being voted as scum - as i'm doing with everyone - and also to see who would reply to it. An opportunity created.

 

Is that good enough for now? I accept that my thoughts on him might change if he does something I don't agree with, but at this moment I'm not wtl him.

[Zander?]

 

why so sure on calder?

 

so far he is his usual self which means i have no idea on him

Really? Calders just getting cozy, but wolf calder has a hard time doing so last I knew.

 

 

 

 

 

why so sure on calder?

 

so far he is his usual self which means i have no idea on him

Really? Calders just getting cozy, but wolf calder has a hard time doing so last I knew.

 

 

i just sux at reading him. i agree he seems to be getting cozy   thats a good way to put it

 

 

Was he awkward or uncozy in Dragon Reborn in your guys opinion?

[Guest]

It is entirely possible that my scum list should be altered from Sooh to Besie.

 

Not ready for that change yet. But, Besie is coming off scummy to me in that she is kind of acknowledging the validity of better pushes while not showing any indication that she will help with them. It makes her ISOing feel to me like desparately trying to present a 3rd viable lynch candidate.

 

If it is Besie than she is the most active member of her team.

 

ah.

 

I've not unvoted because I still think Darthe is scum. I think I've repeatedly either said or hinted at that in the past few hours. You said you were skimming 70% of posts - you probably skimmed over it.

 

 

half joking at the last cause i think you were just sarcastic when you said that

 

 

 

 

I may be wtl Nolder, but I'm also very much still wtl Darthe and Tiink. I still have to decide on whether I'm still wtl Calder. When I've fully caught up, I may be able to update my wtl list properly.

[Guest]

 

I believe he's saying "a wolf flip of zander clears Tiink because of zander's defense of tiink"

Yes. No manbat in my take there. I dont see a reason why scum Zander advocates for scum Tiink (he was not in trouble). More likely scum Zander hoping to look good if a mislynch of Tiink occurred.

 

 

Okay, thank you.

 

I think I automatically thought manbat should be in there because I was talking about/with/to him just before this post. Miscommunication on my part, I apologise. 

 

Your reasoning makes sense. How do your thoughts change if Zander is the mislynch?

[Zander?]

 

apparently talking to a bunch of walls

 

dunno why zander hasn't been here all day

It's a bit weird, yeah. I feel like he had some odd, almost opportunistic posts yesterday, jumping at Besie and then Believer for little things that to me seemed insignificant.

 

 

You mean opportunistic posts like say shading someone and running away for dropping vote with no raisins?

 

 

[V] zander [/v]

 

So vote him.

 

I 100% believe this post and vote alone is 100% not alignment indicative for Darthe

[Zander?]

 

[V] zander [/v]

 

So vote him.

Voting Tiinker at the moment because I want more from him. I'll look and see what Z says now he has two votes I believe. 

 

 

For Sooh's Eyes Only:

 

 

 

 

Tell if you feel a connection to this?

[Zander?]

 

 

apparently talking to a bunch of walls

 

dunno why zander hasn't been here all day

It's a bit weird, yeah. I feel like he had some odd, almost opportunistic posts yesterday, jumping at Besie and then Believer for little things that to me seemed insignificant.

That was my original point on him. His reasoning for thinking people were scum felt contrived. Like he saw the post and thought it was good enough to base a fake read off of. I dont think it was real Zander hunting.

 

 

Announcer- "Lets play everyones favorite game show....... ARE YOU A WOLF!!!!

 

And herrrrrrrrrrre's your host with the most the majestically bearded......Zander!!!!!!!!!

 

Zander- " Thank you thank you!!!  Lets get this underway....lets meet our contestants.

 

First up...the lovely, smart, beautiful yet always Wolfy AF Sooh!!!!!!

 

*thunderous applause*

 

And her opponent.....the sexy Scum claiming beast Calder who is also known as Nighthawk.

 

*thunderous applause*

 

Lets get started shall we?!?!!?!?!?!

 

Questions:

 

Q1- Is Zander a Meta player?

 

If Yes- Think hard and proceed to the next question.

 

If No- Youre a Wolf and thank you for playing.

 

Q2- Since Zander is a Meta player, if people are playing differently from their normally Meta should Zander be concerned by i?

 

If Yes- You got there but are still a little Wolfy because you know this about me.  Sooh moreso imo because she knows me better.

 

If No-  Youre still a Wolf and thank you for playing.

 

Well as always folks we have most likely found at least one Wolf folks!!!

 

Thank you so much to the contestants for making Wolfy pushes that make no sense and remember folks....

 

"ALWAYS HAVE YOUR WOLVES SPAYED OR NEUTERED "

 

*LAUGH SIGN FLASHES*

 

*live studio audience laughs*

 

 

Ok on Page 25, trying to catch up ASAP.

 

My thoughts at the moment are that I could lynch either Besie for WhyMeFryMe type posts or Calder for his usual word vomiting on the thread.

Also I noticed Zander seems to be buddying Believer. I know I'm 10 pages behind but that kind of bothered me.

Gotta take a break for right now hopefully you guys don't post too much while I'm away.

 

 

 

Nol how does your zander read influence your thoughts on believer?

Town or Mafia can buddy, even unintentionally so it's kind of null although I will be watching both of them more closely because of it.

You'll notice I didn't suggest we lynch Zander.

 

 

I would have sussed you for that comment if you didnt post the latter.

[Zander?]

 

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

 

 

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

 

 

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up. 

 

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

 

 

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted. 

 

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

 

5. Hellian

 

 

6. Kat/Pral

 

 

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

 

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”. 

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed. 

 

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

 

 

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

 

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

 

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

 

 

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

 

13. Nolder

 

 

I may not agree with all the reads here atp.

 

I also dont like the fact he did this after being pushed for being inactive type stuff tho.  Both alignments do it tho Wolves will do it more likely more often then not.

 

If I removed the latter Id likely call this a pretty villagery post.

 

With all that said I still wanna lean slight Villa on him.

[Guest]

Catchup posts from p32-34

 

Questions for Dice (5th quote)  & Calder (6th quote) - if you've already answered later then don't worry about answering. i'll get there

 

 

 

 

Tink seems fine, just comes across as a generally kinda wolfy dude.

Sooh, how are you developing your thoughts?

I read the thread?

 

If you're referring to my vote on Tiinker I just read his latest progression. It doesn't look great. Could be like you say that he's just a wolfy looking townie, and I know I have been part of lynches of him in the past where he has been, but consider it a push to come in and make some reads with basis in the thread. 

 

 

Sooh gives her reasoning for voting Tiink as that she was trying to force him into making some proper reads. Even though I don’t agree with the method as it’s a bit extreme, it does seem like something that a town would do to get a proper read on someone inactive. Going town indicative.

 

I'm catching up.

 

 

I someone have now found myself playing three games at the same time so please bear with me while I try to figure out how to do it.

 

That is not a very smart thing to do, Nego. Good luck keeping up with all 3.

 

Dice’s tone in #632 on p32 sounds towny to me. His reasoning makes sense. Not quoting cause it’s big. In this post and the next few he seems willing to talk / ready to scum hunt.

Even though I understand his reasoning for thinking Believer is scum, I don’t agree. And I’d really like him to look at more than just Believer.

 

 

*snip*

 

oh i saw them  but its my job to lay out my thoughts.

 

i didnt ask you to do MY work  i just asked you to work. 

 

and the "id never do that " argument means absolutely nothing as has been proved time and again. 

 

You wanna be town read? they play the damned game EVERY day and earn it. Show us ure town. So far in 3 games im yet to see anything other then ure PR claims to have ever town read you off. So ure either an extremely scummy town player or ure doing something wrong

 

 

agreed with first 3 points but I think the 4th is a bit too far, dice. 

 

Believer responded really well to it though, imo.

 

It seems this gMe clammed up once we let up on besie

 

lol sorry. I was doing my second assignment then. (They’re all done now though.) 

 

 

 

Darthe, you seem to have played with manbat a lot. Is this kind of reaction townie for him?

 

Anyone else who has played with manbat can also let me know. 

 

 

manbat is town imo

 

 

Can you please explain your reasoning?

 

Don't hate the reads. Although I think you are all misreading Sooh.

Scum-Team:

Zander - the Wild Card. Does the odd jobs for the crew.

Sooh - Their intimidating boss. Some say she has agressive sexual fetishes that frighten the rest of the crew. But, they are criminals. Who are they to judge.

 

Could you please explain your reasoning for Sooh?

 

[V] zander [/v]

 

So vote him.

Voting Tiinker at the moment because I want more from him. I'll look and see what Z says now he has two votes I believe.

Considering Sooh's thoughts on Zander 2 posts above this one, this seems a bit odd. Could be that she's just giving Tiink more time so i'm not taking it as alignment indicative atm. Depends on where her vote atm is (i can't remember)

 

 

[Guest]

omg

[Guest]

Okay upon looking at my post #896 everything seems to be there (in the spoiler). Just the last quote is slightly messed up. My words only start from "considering"

[Zander?]

id like to focus on believer or tink rather then zander at this point.

 

calder may have a point tho about a Tink lynch gaining traction

 

 

peoples thoughts on believer and tinker?   and yes  i know their prob scattered thru the thread. Would be nice tho to have someing concise in one place

 

Legit but why them over me?

 

 

for me it is a gut thing. That back off of zander stinks. His over sensitivity to my suggestion that he be lynched is all wrong. Im not even voting him, threw it out as just a couple of lines but have really been focused on Believer, not tink.

 

Did Tink or anyone not like mention a joke or something?

 

Once Im caught up I need to go back through this and see whats up.

 

 

So is nolder in this game or ded

 

 

Apparently he's made 11 posts and I've managed to read a total of 0 of them

 

Well that sucks I have no idea where they are

 

I'm going to bed though cause I'm tired and don't feel like dealing with that.

 

Why are you calling out Nolder for this over say Hellion who has none or the Kat/Pral hydra that based off the current PC (Pral 23 Kat 0 posts/ Nolder 18} I would assume at the time you said this still would have been pretty close?

 

 

Unrelated, tiinks response to me and saying that he thinks I am just mad about not being taken seriously is a good and villagery post tm

 

Based off the assumption that I dont think youre being sarcastic here, I agree.

[monstrman]

I think Sooh is the wolfiest out of darthe/calder/Sooh if zander is a villager

 

Calder agreed with sooh's suspicion of zander but first Sooh said "I feel worse about zander and better about believer" and then later when it was apparent that zander was a big wagon in the thread she voted him in a way that sort of felt to me like "enough time has passed that I can vote zander without fear of backlash now"

 

Don't we have someone named Hellion who's supposed to be playing? Did I miss something?