[Advanced] Salem Mafia - GAME OVER - MAFIA WIN

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

I asked Turin for his opinion, because he knew of the existence of both roles. He said the SK would deserve the win in that situation.

 

Well if mafia is willing to concede the win then sure SK can win, but this is silly. The question of who deserves the win more is completely arbitrary and pointless. Fact is it is a draw, and you want to rng who get's the 'victory'? No, how about this, I say mafia deserve the win more. They clearly tried harder, and they clearly had a harder job. Turin is wrong.

 

 

Both sides have merit. I was unsure how to play it out.

 

 

If both sides have some merit, then a draw is the best answer because mechanically speaking it would have been exactly that.

 

Players can decide who they think deserved the win later.

[Eldrick4221]

Fair enough.

[Turin Turambar]

Awesome.

 

It was a big risk because BFG I think knew I was the GF because she shot at ne n1. Yat for her crazy work schedule.

 

About the win, Eldrick told me that was how the rules worked for flag game this was based off so it seemed like the wincons should follow. Tbh, I'm not worried about w-l records. I just play to have fun.

 

Thanks for the game. Feel free to release the maf QT. Really not much there tho Due to spy.

[Eldrick4221]

N0 mafia qt

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/PZpHAkjUiZApY

 

N1 and onward qt (seperate because of spy. Mechanic in place in case of medium, Spy didn't know what they said anymore)

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/xsmeD7KBaeJ

[Eldrick4221]

Awesome.

 

It was a big risk because BFG I think knew I was the GF because she shot at ne n1. Yat for her crazy work schedule.

 

About the win, Eldrick told me that was how the rules worked for flag game this was based off so it seemed like the wincons should follow. Tbh, I'm not worried about w-l records. I just play to have fun.

 

Thanks for the game. Feel free to release the maf QT. Really not much there tho Due to spy.

She knew that you were immune. Several reasons for that outcome.

[Thane Vakarian]

Thanks for the game

 

 

wtf BFG didn't shoot me?

You silly goose. Did I fool you with my PM or were you just afk?

Thane how in the bloody hell did you know the mafia team like seconds into the game? I thought for sure you either got a Lookout peek on Darthe's death or were the SK making stuff up. Those were some GOAT reads my friend.

I didn't realize BFG had high SK equity until late in the game when I reread her role description and saw that she redirects onto roleblockers, but by then Thane had claimed Doc and I was 100% convinced he was SK or an investigative role so I didn't know what to believe.

Still gotta give Turin the mvp for staying out of the suss pool pretty much all game and for that clutch shot on Thane at the end when I was telling him to holster. You earned this one bro. Thane GOAT of GOAT reads though, I have no idea wtf sparked in your head to solve this so fast.

I trust my instincts, it's as simple as that, actually. I have a very hard time wording my suspicions, because it's mainly gut feelings i have from what happens in the thread. I was wrong on BFG, but i guess that happens *nods*

 

They way you reacted on my accusation on you being a wolf actually confirmed it for me, just so you know  

 

Good game all, maybe next one with more players? Mechanics are ok *nods*

[Eldrick4221]

Next one will be more players. :)

[Turin Turambar]

Just read the dt. I didn't think it was so obvious skewed against town. I mean if No goes different then it could have been a completely different game.

 

I mean we lynched our partner. I thought z was the SK at that point because I didn't fully read the SK role information. If I had then I would have been on BFG D1.

 

this setup is really swingy but that is what you get with a small PR heavy game.

[Turin Turambar]

The janitor role really helped because we knew what roles we could fake if needed.

 

There was no way we were faking spy. Way too hard. I thought about faking either BG or cop once we knew hallia was BG that also made it safer to go cop with the spy being gone. I thought Thane was either doc like claim or SK if lying. That was why I shot him. I was gonna holster and hope BFG shot him if the BG option was still there.

[Thane Vakarian]

Perhaps I'll let you in on a little secret: I work for a security company and one of my jobs is video surveillance. I need to be able to judge people by the little info I see. Threat assessment in a few seconds, basically. I guess I make it work for most of my recent mafia games too. Still, leaves the problem of actually finding proof and wording it. Something I need to work on *nods* 

[Sili Quirrels]

Just read the dt. I didn't think it was so obvious skewed against town. I mean if No goes different then it could have been a completely different game.

 

I mean we lynched our partner. I thought z was the SK at that point because I didn't fully read the SK role information. If I had then I would have been on BFG D1.

 

this setup is really swingy but that is what you get with a small PR heavy game.

You lynched your partner, town knew who you were, and you still won by night 1. I think it is pretty obviously skewed against town.

 

You can maybe sort of get around this if town has perfect night actions, but how often will that happen with next to no information from d0, nevermind the fact they will have to predict what the third party roles are and what the mafia are going to do.

 

Sorry, but it seems pretty obvious to me that when you give town one day to lynch the one person of 8 they need to in order to have a chance to win, the game is skewed against them. Even if the SK is gone, town still needs to land a vig kill on shad or zander, possibly consecutively.

 

So in what world is this a 'swingy game'? In the sense that sometimes you shoot your own partner at night and town kills Shad, and BFG is lynched? Leaving the game at 3-1 probably (Vig cannot kill anyone)?

 

That's hardly even a swing. Town needs that incredibly unlikely series of events just to have an f4.

[Sili Quirrels]

Incidentally, the fact mafia can kill a player of their choice making the game 5-2-2 before day 1 is stronger than starting the game 5-2-2. You get to kill the strongest player for free.

[Turin Turambar]

there was a d0 so it still went in effect 3 nights. Town had those nights also.

 

We don't kill Darthe N0, we lose dramatically.

 

The town NAs don't have to be perfect but they couldn't have gone much worse Which I think makes the game look more unbalanced.

 

Obviously townies are less informed. But the whisper function could have been used more. Only the mafia really have to worry about slipping. If everyone talk to everyone and spy lives the game is pretty much broken on d1(provided the spy lives of course)

 

If you explain your reasons on BFG she dies D1. No question. It would have taken an extra minute to expound. You obviously thought about it or you would not have posted anything.

 

I just think.it isn't quite as clear as this made it look.

[Thane Vakarian]

Town needs good instincts and lots of luck the first two days, at least. Any town NA is a shot in the dark, really. Wolves have more info, so do have a slight advantage concerning NA's. But they also need some luck to pick the right target. All in all, it's a game of reading people and chance.

[Turin Turambar]

Actually if actions go right d1 starts out T5/M0/N2. With the spy alive and a darn good idea of who the last two are.

 

SK kills shad.

GF attacks where BG protects.

remainder don't interfere.

 

I think the biggest thing about the game was the whisper function was underused by town.

 

My last bit. we disagree. Fair enough.

[Sili Quirrels]

You made the mistake of playing bad so dont blame darthe for cracking your egg. Furthermore town did not in fact have a kill n0 plus the game was mechanically decided after n1 so town had 1.5 nights.

 

Town was heavily favored by variance. They still lost. That should tell you everything you need to know.

[Sili Quirrels]

You made the mistake of playing bad so dont blame darthe for cracking your egg. Furthermore town did not in fact have a kill n0 plus the game was mechanically decided after n1 so town had 1.5 nights.

 

Town was heavily favored by variance. They still lost. That should tell you everything you need to know.

[Thane Vakarian]

Town needs good instincts and lots of luck the first two days, at least. Any town NA is a shot in the dark, really. Wolves have more info, so do have a slight advantage concerning NA's. But they also need some luck to pick the right target. All in all, it's a game of reading people and chance.

[Sili Quirrels]

there was a d0 so it still went in effect 3 nights. Town had those nights also.

 

We don't kill Darthe N0, we lose dramatically.

 

The town NAs don't have to be perfect but they couldn't have gone much worse Which I think makes the game look more unbalanced.

 

Obviously townies are less informed. But the whisper function could have been used more. Only the mafia really have to worry about slipping. If everyone talk to everyone and spy lives the game is pretty much broken on d1(provided the spy lives of course)

 

If you explain your reasons on BFG she dies D1. No question. It would have taken an extra minute to expound. You obviously thought about it or you would not have posted anything.

 

I just think.it isn't quite as clear as this made it look.

You got a few things wrong.

 

Town had variance on their side this game. Thats what it means when the majority of town has the non town pegged. They werent fast enough so they lost. They lost because even with some good luck they were unfavored.

[Turin Turambar]

If I had truly played bad as you are trying to say then I would have been lynched d1 and Seph would have shot shad(or BFG) and town would have won. So just NO.

 

Things didn't work out for town this game. It happens.

[Thane Vakarian]

If I had truly played bad as you are trying to say then I would have been lynched d1 and Seph would have shot shad(or BFG) and town would have won. So just NO.

 

Things didn't work out for town this game. It happens.

it does, indeed. Next game is another challenge with new opportunities, so no need to linger on this game. Learn, remember, carry on.

[Sili Quirrels]

If I had truly played bad as you are trying to say then I would have been lynched d1 and Seph would have shot shad(or BFG) and town would have won. So just NO.

 

Things didn't work out for town this game. It happens.

Lolol. Luck favored town this game. How can you not see that starting out 4-2-2 does not favor town. This is basic stuff.

[Turin Turambar]

Town did have the ability to in fact kill by use of the transporter and BG on n0. They had to guess right but it could have happened.

 

I get you think it was too hard for town to win. I disagree. It wasn't easy but with even a small amount of luck it could have happened.

 

this really isn't going anywhere so I leave you all to it.

 

Thanks again for the game Eldrick.

 

Gg everyone.

[Sili Quirrels]

To be honest turin was the only mafia we didnt have pegged

 

Anyway town got lucky then mafia got lucky and it evened out. To suggest this game mafia got really lucky is ludicrous unless your position is unreasonable in the first place.

[Sili Quirrels]

Town did have the ability to in fact kill by use of the transporter and BG on n0. They had to guess right but it could have happened.

 

I get you think it was too hard for town to win. I disagree. It wasn't easy but with even a small amount of luck it could have happened.

 

this really isn't going anywhere so I leave you all to it.

 

Thanks again for the game Eldrick.

 

Gg everyone.

At this point youre just in denial and its silly.