WHEEL OF TIME AND PAGANISM

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I prefer not to associate the WoT with anything(although it does,but,okay),because I really don't approve of religion at all!

Sometimes it really annoys me when the associations are too obvious.

 

And for the record:Lucifer was not Satan...just an angel who was once good and then bad :twisted:

[Guest fox-lionheart]

I prefer not to associate the WoT with anything(although it does' date='but,okay),because I really don't approve of religion at all!

Sometimes it really annoys me when the associations are too obvious.

 

And for the record:Lucifer was not Satan...just an angel who was once good and then bad :twisted:[/quote']

 

Why don't you approve of religions?

 

Love Always & Blessed Be,

Xander Trotter

[Luckers]

Actually Satan was the angel that supposedly went bad. The name is his title... it means advesary, and referred to the role he played whilst he served God. It was his job to test peoples faiths and make sure they were worthy of God's love, because God was too free with his love. As an Angel he provided a nessasary, if somewhat distasteful service for God, and there are instances of God thanking him, or warning people off blaming him for what he did. "I am Yahweh unrivalled, what was done her was done by my will". And so forth.

 

Lucifer was a comet that fell, and at one stage was misconstrued with the Fall of Satan; there was a paragraph in the bible that sounded very close. The name just stuck.

[Tenshin_Xo]

Lucifer, the word is latin in origin. I remember it being a translation of the title of one of the Babylonian Kings, I think its mentioned in Isaiah. My copy of the Tanakh in hebrew is out on loan atm.

 

Its also a common name for Venus the planet, due to its habit of appearing in the sky just before dawn, and then dissapearing behind the horizon shortly thereafter.

 

To my knowledge the name of HaSatan isn't actually written anywhere in the Tanakh or NT, but I may be wrong. Job would be the best bet off the top of my head. Hebrew demon references got a bit muddled by the Babylonians. There is some speculation about Azazel but nothing I've seen makes it concrete, or more likely than any other.

 

I'm with Luckers on this one. All references I've ever seen to lucifer either go back to the Divine Comedy, or the vulgate butchery of hebrew or did they just go from the septuagint?

[Luckers]

It is in Job, though the reference was tainted during the Persian occupation of the Lower Kingdom. The entry was altered to demonize Satan following the influence of the dualistic zoroasterian faith with its Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu. Elsewhere those same acts are described as being tests commanded by God.

[Tenshin_Xo]

Here we go, I found the reference online, so I won't vouch much for it. The reference is Helal ben Shahar, which would read in english "bright one son of the morning". This is clearly a reference to either Venus(my opinion) or a Phaeton type myth.

[KwizatsHaderach]

Fair enough. Though' date=' incidently, Jainism isn't a sect of buddhism. Mahavira predates Siddhartha, and teaches a more conventional ascetic practice then Buddha's middle path. I do see aspects of it in the Way of the Leaf though. And the Water Way.

 

I'm not sure the relevance, because i have never studied Free Masonry, and have no real idea what it is about, but RJ is a Free Mason. Does anyone know if there is correlations?[/quote']

 

 

....Robert Jordan was asked if he was a mason in

his blog, October 5th, 2006:

 

Posted by Alexander on October 5th, 2006 at 10:28 pm

I was just wondering, mr. jordan… are you a freemason?

 

I just recently progressed through my second degree, and there are certain parallels and things that are catching me reading through the books that I realize now may be influenced partially by masonry..

 

I hope things are going better.

 

thank you.

 

He did not respond either way to Alexandar in any subsequent post.

Short answer ? It's unknown if he's a mason or not. :)

[Luckers]

That is not the reference i was referring too. he was much more clear in the comment that i was addressing, and made a difinitive statement that he was a freemason.

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I prefer not to associate the WoT with anything(although it does' date='but,okay),because I really don't approve of religion at all!

Sometimes it really annoys me when the associations are too obvious.

 

And for the record:Lucifer was not Satan...just an angel who was once good and then bad :twisted:[/quote']

 

Why don't you approve of religions?

 

Love Always & Blessed Be,

Xander Trotter

 

Well,I don't mean to start something here,but I just find that religion leads to conflict. and for what?

For some god in the sky? Because every religion looks up in the end,right?

Don't get me wrong,I respect it and I even read up on it,I find it interesting.We all would like to believe there's more to it than this reality,right?

I long for something out of the ordinary to happen,but if it does I'll not interpret it as a sign from God or Jesus.

If you say you have had a paranormal experience most people look at you like you're crazy. Yet,when you read the bible or about an other religion,the stories are full of paranormal phenomena...and people hold that as sacred and,more important;real!

In school we had a teacher who tried to teach us something about the bible,but whenever I asked something he told me not to question the bible...

 

anyway.that's how I think about it...

[Guest fox-lionheart]

Well,I don't mean to start something here,but I just find that religion leads to conflict. and for what?

For some god in the sky? Because every religion looks up in the end,right?

Don't get me wrong,I respect it and I even read up on it,I find it interesting.We all would like to believe there's more to it than this reality,right?

I long for something out of the ordinary to happen,but if it does I'll not interpret it as a sign from God or Jesus.

If you say you have had a paranormal experience most people look at you like you're crazy. Yet,when you read the bible or about an other religion,the stories are full of paranormal phenomena...and people hold that as sacred and,more important;real!

In school we had a teacher who tried to teach us something about the bible,but whenever I asked something he told me not to question the bible...

 

anyway.that's how I think about it...

 

Yeah most religions suck...

 

I'm a Pagan and I prefer it over any other religions. It's quite a great religion and there is no dogma involved, thank the Gods.

 

Love Always & Blessed Be,

Xander Trotter

[Luckers]

People don't nessasarily think about it in full though. Even the most contentious religions offers certain cultural relevence and wisdom to society as a whole. I'm an athiest, and im fairly convinced religion is the source of most wars, but there is still value to be found in them.

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People don't nessasarily think about it in full though. Even the most contentious religions offers certain cultural relevence and wisdom to society as a whole. I'm an athiest' date=' and im fairly convinced religion is the source of most wars, but there is still value to be found in them.[/quote']

 

I agree with you,Luckers!

[Telcar]

Well what I think is the main difference between The Wheel of time and Christianity is that in Randland (excluding Shara since I don't know what they believe) there is a Creator everyone knows exists and no one is denying that, just like everyone knows that the Dark One exists. Not everyone believes God exists. You can hardly call what the people in Randland believe to be religion however similar it is to Christianity and other religions in our world. No one builds Churches or other sacred temples for the Creator, even though they may pray to him sometimes and ask for help. Here there are churches everywhere. And I haven't heard of any fanatics in Randland except for the people who went crazy after Rand declared himself. And of course the Whitecloaks, but they are just disturbed rather than fanatical :P . There has always been just one "religion" in Randland, but here the concept of the Christian "God" evolved from God figures from other religions in ancient times. And different believes often create difficulties in our world.

 

Much like the Christian God, the Creator doesn't interfere with everyday life. Actually the only thing we know of is when Jesus was born 2000 years ago....very reliable, oh yes, and a book written by humans, fantastic.

 

To me it seems like the Creator made the world and the humans are supposed to take care of themselves except he "helps" them when they have to deal with the Dark One.

 

What strikes me the most though is how do they know so much about the creator and the wheel of time? Is the knowledge obtained from Darkfriends who get it from the DO? I don't favour believing something without having any proof.