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Everyone (unless I'm mistaken) has Shad as a strong town read, so I'm not voting him today. 

I have Eldrick as very town, so I'm not voting him today. 

That leaves Sooh and Tab. I'll vote either way, but leaning Sooh. 

 

On her ISO, I didn't see a lot of decisiveness. She asks a lot of questions, which is a way of looking active without taking any real stances. The strongest she ever was was on Tab, which could easily be distancing. Tab was never in any real danger. 

You are not voting Shad because we have him as strong town, not cuz you do?

 

The scenario we are in is all that has to happen is one townie votes another and we lose. This isn't a good reason not to vote someone.

 

How do YOU feel about Shad?

 

 

That's why I'm not voting. I want to allow maximum conversation time. I'll be around tomorrow until just before deadline. I'll vote then. 

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This is where I'm at ATP. Not done researching, though.

 

WTL from highest to lowest by thier own gameplay, and their respective possible link chances.

Tab - Haven't sorted yet

Lily - Haven't sorted yet.

Sooh - Sooh/Tab unlikely. Haven't sorted yet

Shad - Shad/Tab likely. Shad/Lily possible. Shad/Sooh unlikely

 

One thing I noticed in my research yesterday on Lily is that at EoD1, she moves Tab from null to town because of Zander's meta in her, not because of her own reasoning. She has done this other times in the game (one recently). Made decisions because of how other people feel, not cuz of how she feels. This is generally a scummy thing to do.

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Also want to point out something.

Last night I went to sleep thinking about if people were going to town read me today or not. Because IMO scum weren't going to do that ATP. They want to keep the pool of possible scum as big as possible.

Shad was the first to do so today. Lily has been since Day 1. Sooh is unsure, but leaning town on me. Tab is still considering me.

 

Also possible worth noting. Haven't actually confirmed it yet. I think Lily stopped really trying after she got cop checked. This could be GF getting the benefit of their role, and just riding the rest of the game on the result. Especially after killing the cop, therefore cementing that the peek was legit.

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Everyone (unless I'm mistaken) has Shad as a strong town read, so I'm not voting him today. 

I have Eldrick as very town, so I'm not voting him today. 

That leaves Sooh and Tab. I'll vote either way, but leaning Sooh. 

 

On her ISO, I didn't see a lot of decisiveness. She asks a lot of questions, which is a way of looking active without taking any real stances. The strongest she ever was was on Tab, which could easily be distancing. Tab was never in any real danger. 

You are not voting Shad because we have him as strong town, not cuz you do?

 

The scenario we are in is all that has to happen is one townie votes another and we lose. This isn't a good reason not to vote someone.

 

How do YOU feel about Shad?

 

 

That's why I'm not voting. I want to allow maximum conversation time. I'll be around tomorrow until just before deadline. I'll vote then. 

 

Ok. And your answer to my question. Don't think about how we feel about him. What is YOUR opinion of Shad atp?

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Everyone (unless I'm mistaken) has Shad as a strong town read, so I'm not voting him today. 

I have Eldrick as very town, so I'm not voting him today. 

That leaves Sooh and Tab. I'll vote either way, but leaning Sooh. 

 

On her ISO, I didn't see a lot of decisiveness. She asks a lot of questions, which is a way of looking active without taking any real stances. The strongest she ever was was on Tab, which could easily be distancing. Tab was never in any real danger. 

You are not voting Shad because we have him as strong town, not cuz you do?

 

The scenario we are in is all that has to happen is one townie votes another and we lose. This isn't a good reason not to vote someone.

 

How do YOU feel about Shad?

 

I include myself in everyone. 

 

Missed that. Gotcha

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I haven't ISOed Shad yet today, but I'm feeling good about him. The fact that you and Sooh have both listed him as possible scum is making me doubt myself again. *sigh* Time to ISO him while I still have the time. 

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FTR I will vote before I go to sleep tonight (tomorrow morning) in ~14 hours. I thought I had tomorrow night at work to go at this, but I don't.

 

unless I convince myself of where to vote before then, ofc. I am strongly leaning Tab right now.

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I haven't ISOed Shad yet today, but I'm feeling good about him. The fact that you and Sooh have both listed him as possible scum is making me doubt myself again. *sigh* Time to ISO him while I still have the time. 

First, everyone is possible scum. Half of you are.

 

Second, he is least likely to me. He is the towniest of the 4 of you.

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Posted

Ok

 

Zander

Turin

Tab

Sooh

Thane

Hallia

Lily

Eldrick

 

Scum!Zander of late has been pretty over-the-top in his accusations--he tends to raise points that don't make coherent sense when you plug them all together, and ask questions without a clear purpose.  Not getting that impression at all here, and I generally feel like I understand where his head is at.  I don't know what Turin's scum game looks like, but I've felt pretty good about him all game.  Tab was completely lost in her first scum game, and granted I read her wrong there I feel like she's already shown more interest and independent thought here, and she's already matched her post count from three phases in that game.  Unless she plays on other sites (I get the impression she doesn't) I don't think there would be a noticeable improvement in her scum game without a mentor.  I think I read Sooh better than most, and I'm picking up on her town tone so far.  Haven't seen her scum in ages, but I'm not worried about her slot at this point.

 

Thane's 'slip' at the start doesn't bother me.  I'm a little surprised by his Tab read--he played in NBC too--and I don't think he's done anything outside of his scum range, but the issues people are taking with him are pretty null to my understanding of Thane.  I think if he's scum it will show in time.  Might do me some good to give his Supernatural game an ISO but I'm not going to get to that before this phase ends.  Hallia not doing that thing she did in Belichick and GnD to be really obvious town makes me exactly null on her on reread.  It's easy to forget that she frequently fails to explain herself much as town too after a solid performance like her last game.

 

I'm pretty meh on Lily in reread.  I can't say I wouldn't have voted her in Supernatural and I don't have any other experience to go on.  Part of me likes that she appears to be looking into people and not just stating reads, part of me feels like it's a bit opportunistic and slimy.  Eldrick I really struggle to swallow as anything but scum.  The AtE did feel sincere to me.  That just means he's frustrated, not that he's frustrated town.  He's set off my scumdar a dozen times in this game, in a way that's different from D0 GnD.

 

I could lynch Eldrick or Lily at this point.  Would rather give Thane and Hallia more time.

 

Tab and Sooh both near the top of his list atp.

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What changed your read on Tab between here:

 

This is kind of half the old list and half new reads. 

 

2. Shad – Overall, his posts are prodding and poking at people. Asks lots of questions. Good townie feel. 
3. Sooh – liking her posts so far. She seems to be thinking and honestly scum hunting
4. Hallia – Uncountered cop

6. Eldrick – His meltdown felt like frustrated townie to me. Town
7. Lily – utterly townie
8. Taborline – Going off Zander’s opinion of her meta. Town lean

9. Turin – Not sure yet. He’s very focused on Thane. Tunneling may be his style. 

 

I don't really have anybody that I think might be scum today and that's why I'm ISOing and prodding around. I wish Tab would engage more. I need to see more of her interacting with others. 

 

I also agree that the real cop should counter, if there is one. I realize that makes me the lynch for today, but I don't mind dying to help town. Hallia would go down tomorrow. 

and here:

 

@Lily can I get an updated reads list from you with current reads, not copy/pasted stuff from old reads thrown in?

@Turin can you explain why you have your town reads? You explained your scum, but not your town.

 

I update my reads list as I go. Some has changed. Some hasn't. 

 

2. Shad – Unsure. He seems townie, but I just don’t know.
3. Sooh – liking her posts so far. She seems to be thinking and honestly scum hunting
4. Hallia – Uncountered cop

6. Eldrick – His meltdown felt like frustrated townie to me. Town
7. Lily – utterly townie
8. Taborline – She has good, thoughtful posts. Town lean

9. Turin – Not sure yet. POE for scum, but I don’t want to vote on POE.

 

In other words, I’m totally clueless. 

 

 

 

 

Up until the first quote, you had her as town solely on Zander's meta of her. Now you suddenly have your own reason. what made you change your reason?

Posted
Here you disagree with me that you think it's Sooh/Tab:

 

 

 

Players currently alive (besides me)
Lily, Hally, Shad, Sooh, Tab
 
Team combos that don't make sense:
Hally/Not Lily
If Hally isn't on a team with Lily, then Hally isn't scum. Scum!Hally wouldn't have cleared her top scum read. She would have rode the mislynch.
Sooh/Tab
Sooh left her vote on Tab until right before the DL. If she was on a team with Tab, she would be risking lynching her teammate, because Lily was willing to switch.
 
Lily/Hally
Possible scum team. Hally fake claiming claiming her teammate as her town peek.
Lily/Shad-Sooh-Tab
Shad/Sooh-Tab
 
I haven't researched the likelihood of other teams yet, but either Lily, or Shad, or both, are scum. Not voting anywhere else.

 

 

I don't think she was in that much danger. I'm leaning Sooh/Tab personally, but it's just instinct. I have no suspects anymore from my reads. I was reading all of you as town. 

 

 

Here you think it's one, but not both:

 

Sooh, who do you think is mafia?

 

I'll confess, I don't really have anything on anyone. I'm going to do some rereading today. Gun to head, I'd vote Tab or you. My gut says one of you must be scum. I just can't figure out which one. 

 

Why not both anymore? What changed?

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Morning.

 

Thane's vote on Tab is pretty weird and makes me wonder if he's reading my posts.  There's something else I want to go back and check on when I get a minute.

If Tab is Shad's partner, this is him trying to cover for her. 

 

 

Halli is soft claiming cop. While she has my read right, I don't believe she is the cop. I think she's scum claiming cop. However, you don't lynch an uncountered cop claim. So, I won't vote her today. 

 

I would like Shad to respond to Eldrick's case. He was my strongest town read, but now I'm not so sure. 

 

Ok.

 

He said it's scummy that I was willing to lynch Thane but not Hallia despite having them both null.  That is a lie.  He went back in the thread and quoted an earlier read to make it look that way.

 

He says "I'm just suspicious of your lack of explaining why you have me as scum. What are these "multiple pings" you mentioned earlier?"  That is a lie.  He actually goes on to address my supposedly non-existent issues.

 

He doesn't like that I am not swayed by his activity level.  He was the third highest poster in Supernatural.

 

He says I didn't put up much of a fight to get him lynched D1.  That's true.  He ignores my stated reasons and doesn't explain what makes my willingness to consider alternatives scummy.

 

He defends himself against some of my issues with him and then calls me scummy for raising them, but doesn't explain what's scummy about them.

 

He doesn't like that I'm not accepting his AtE as necessarily town.  That is in and of itself a good reason to not accept his AtE as necessarily town.

 

And it's entirely irrelevant that in GnD people suggested lynching Zander before the game started, because town!Eldrick was totally cool with the idea.  I struggle to accept that a player who's excessively apathetic towards who gets lynched at the start of one game is highly sensitive to it in another.

 

 

Doesn't respond to Eld's case until I prompt him to. Scum likes to ignore cases, hoping they will go away. 

 

Eldrick...

 

You say so many things that ping me that I'm starting to believe it's just you.

 

I dunno.  I didn't pay a lick of attention to you in GnD post-D0, so my only experience with your town game is the two we played in together where you got lynched D1 and D0 respectively.

 

Like this whole business of figuring out why Zander got night killed.  He was pretty universally town read, so it wasn't a strange choice.  More often than not the player who pops in trying to explain the night kill is the player who dialed it in in the first place.  So it pings me when you do it.  But the way you're doing it feels more like digging for clues where we're not realistically going to find any.

 

Zander said he'd peek Turin if he was the cop.  Maybe he was killed to protect scum!Turin.  Maybe he was killed to make town!Turin look bad.  Maybe scum thought he was a cop.  Maybe he died because his reads were too good.  Maybe he died because his reads were garbage.  Maybe he was just too town to ever be mislynched and scum wanted to get rid of him.  It's complete WIFOM.  It's useless information.

 

But you aren't even mentioning Turin.  You're confusing him with Lily.  And you aren't trying to direct traffic in that regard.  You're just expressing confusion.  That's not how I expect scum to go about the generically scummy thing you are doing.  If you are scum, then if Turin's town you would use this to shade him and if Turin's your team mate you never bring it up in the first place.  It seems way less likely to me that you do this.

 

Or like your reason for voting Sooh on D1.  It was generically scummy.  Really, really scummy from my experience.  But iirc you didn't take too much heat for it at the time, and you still backed off of the vote when Tab confirmed that Sooh (and the majority of people who play Mafia, imo) doesn't make a point to unvote a joke before finding a serious suspect.  Why would town suss someone for the reason you brought up?  Beats me.  But if that's your shtick as scum, 9/10 times you're going to roll with it.  You asked other players for input and then reevaluated and backed off.  Again, I find the reason scummy but the way you went about applying it more likely to come from town.

 

Basically if you are scum you're doing a lot of derpy obvscum things and yet twisting each of them to project yourself as a confused/frustrated townie--the AtE moreso than anything.  And that just doesn't make sense.  If you are scum aware enough to manipulate these situations, you should be aware enough to not get yourself into them in the first place.

 

I've thought about your slot a lot tonight and I'm going to [unvote].

 

But I'm not sure where to go from there.  If the claim and peek result are legit, that leaves Turin and Sooh?  I certainly need to reevaluate both of them.  I don't like challenging an uncountered cop claim, even if Hallia looks bad otherwise.  I don't know that I would have seriously considered a GF if Turin hadn't suggested it was possible, because this is such a small game.  Has anyone else been in a 9-player game with a Godfather?

 

Turin and Sooh? No mention of Tab here.

 

I'm exploring the possibility of a Shad/Tab team atp.

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Posted

 

I've had some issues with my computer this morning, but I'm around now.

 

I'd like to reread Turin as well. I remember thinking some of the things he pointed out in the beginning were reaching, but I thought others were worse D1 so I put him in null.

 

I also think that Taborline has been very anonymous this game and won't mind pushing her a bit. Since I'll be around sporadically until DL I think I'll Vote: Taborline for pressure and see what happens.

Tab responded to you over an hour ago and we're pretty close to DL. Where are you going with this pressure vote?

 

 

Trying to get Sooh to move off of Tab?

 

 

 

One minute left.

 

[v]Turin[/v]

Not sure how I feel about this vote. Why wait til 1 min left to vote? Turin was already the lead train atp.

 

 

Turin had 2.  Tab had 1 vote, because of Sooh's 'pressure vote'.   Scum!Turin can self-pres onto her at the last minute to create a coin flip scenario. Tab is still my top town read and I was not going to let that happened, but I wanted to see how Sooh handled the situation.

 

Which would have been extremely poorly if Turin had flipped scum.  Gotta rethink things now.  :\

 

 

I'm not quite done yet with my ISO, but I don't see Shad treating anyone else this way. He could be protecting Tab as best he can without being obvious about it. I really don't see him challenging people who vote anyone else, or talking a lot about his town reads unless it involves Tab. 

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I guess without having put in as much work as I'd like to yet I'd say I'm most likely to be wrong on Sooh and Tab, but they both read clean to me.  The fact that we haven't actually caught scum yet makes it pretty hard for me to clear people by other means. 

 

Sort of tries to back off his townie view on Tab, but saying she reads clean. 

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Posted

 

What changed your read on Tab between here:

 

This is kind of half the old list and half new reads. 

 

2. Shad – Overall, his posts are prodding and poking at people. Asks lots of questions. Good townie feel. 

3. Sooh – liking her posts so far. She seems to be thinking and honestly scum hunting

4. Hallia – Uncountered cop

6. Eldrick – His meltdown felt like frustrated townie to me. Town

7. Lily – utterly townie

8. Taborline – Going off Zander’s opinion of her meta. Town lean

9. Turin – Not sure yet. He’s very focused on Thane. Tunneling may be his style. 

 

I don't really have anybody that I think might be scum today and that's why I'm ISOing and prodding around. I wish Tab would engage more. I need to see more of her interacting with others. 

 

I also agree that the real cop should counter, if there is one. I realize that makes me the lynch for today, but I don't mind dying to help town. Hallia would go down tomorrow. 

and here:

 

@Lily can I get an updated reads list from you with current reads, not copy/pasted stuff from old reads thrown in?

 

@Turin can you explain why you have your town reads? You explained your scum, but not your town.

 

I update my reads list as I go. Some has changed. Some hasn't. 

 

2. Shad – Unsure. He seems townie, but I just don’t know.

3. Sooh – liking her posts so far. She seems to be thinking and honestly scum hunting

4. Hallia – Uncountered cop

6. Eldrick – His meltdown felt like frustrated townie to me. Town

7. Lily – utterly townie

8. Taborline – She has good, thoughtful posts. Town lean

9. Turin – Not sure yet. POE for scum, but I don’t want to vote on POE.

 

In other words, I’m totally clueless. 

 

 

 

 

Up until the first quote, you had her as town solely on Zander's meta of her. Now you suddenly have your own reason. what made you change your reason?

 

She began to post more and her content seemed good. 

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Posted

 

Here you disagree with me that you think it's Sooh/Tab:

 

 

 

Players currently alive (besides me)
Lily, Hally, Shad, Sooh, Tab
 
Team combos that don't make sense:
Hally/Not Lily
If Hally isn't on a team with Lily, then Hally isn't scum. Scum!Hally wouldn't have cleared her top scum read. She would have rode the mislynch.
Sooh/Tab
Sooh left her vote on Tab until right before the DL. If she was on a team with Tab, she would be risking lynching her teammate, because Lily was willing to switch.
 
Lily/Hally
Possible scum team. Hally fake claiming claiming her teammate as her town peek.
Lily/Shad-Sooh-Tab
Shad/Sooh-Tab
 
I haven't researched the likelihood of other teams yet, but either Lily, or Shad, or both, are scum. Not voting anywhere else.

 

 

I don't think she was in that much danger. I'm leaning Sooh/Tab personally, but it's just instinct. I have no suspects anymore from my reads. I was reading all of you as town. 

 

 

Here you think it's one, but not both:

 

Sooh, who do you think is mafia?

 

I'll confess, I don't really have anything on anyone. I'm going to do some rereading today. Gun to head, I'd vote Tab or you. My gut says one of you must be scum. I just can't figure out which one. 

 

Why not both anymore? What changed?

 

 

Their interactions seemed not like teammates. But that can be faked. 

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Posted

After ISOing Tab, Sooh, and Shad, I'm leaning towards a Tab/Shad team. I'll try to get Eldrick done before I have to leave in an hour. He has a lot of posts....

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Lily about Shad


Shares excitement with Shad that the get to play together.

--Null

After Shad and I discuss why I said what I did, Lily asks how his headache is now.

-Null

When Shad asks why she voted me, Lily replies that there was a post that swayed her.

--Null

Lily quotes a post of Shad's from early in the game (where he explains how he likes Turin's early game, think's Thane's reaction is null, and says I already feel fishy), commenting on liking the amount of detail, and calling it a towny post.

--fair point. could be said about townie or teammate, though

When Shad explains his issues with my calling out his potential headache and sooh's not unvoting, Lily responds with saying that it doesn't change the fact that asking for clarification is a null tell 

--True, but not what was being discussed.

Lily's reads:

2. Shad – post #58 feels town

(Post she quoted earlier)

EoD reads list in case she got lynched:

2. Shad – post #58 feels town. Overall, his posts are prodding and poking at people. Asks lots of questions. Good townie feel. 

--More reason to have town read on him.

Read on Shad as "most townie of everyone"

Lily wavers on her strong town read on Shad because he 

didn't respond to me.

Lily points out that if scum had split on D1 trains, Shad would have to be scum, if Hally's claim was true (which it was)

Shad responds to my post, part of it saying that I'm not accepting his thinking my AtE as neccessarily town. Lily agrees that scum have them too. (This isn't what I meant. Shad twisted it and Lily agreed with the twist, which in its own right is true)

Understands Shad's POV. Doesn't agree with everything, but has Shad as reading very town.


Lily has a natural progression on her read of Shad. That's hard to do when you know they are scum IMO. Lily/Shad unlikely.

 

Lily about Tab


Tab asks Lily if she's WTV me, why isn't she? Lily responds with the reasons: Every vote is a big deal, it's why she asked about the DL - and - I can't always be scum. She's giving me the benefit of the doubt until she can't anymore.

Lily's reads:

8. Taborline – null. Not much content yet

(Fair point. Acceptable read.) 

Updated reads list. Reads on us 4 didn't change at all.

Replies to Tab asking what about Thane makes him town to her that she'd have to ISO and check.

Wants to know why Tab isn't voting this close the the DL.

8. Taborline – Going off Zander’s opinion of her meta. Town lean

--Read based entirely on someone else's view

Lily leaning Sooh/Tab, but just instinct.


Lily's only interaction with Tab was responding to Tab's question about her vote on me. She never tried to figure Tab out, and her read on Tab is based on someone else's meta. (I pointed out that her read changed on Tab, but it didn't make it into my notes. This point dependant on her response to why her read changed.). Lily/Tab possible

 

Lily about Sooh


Lily's reads:

3. Sooh – liking her posts so far. She seems to be thinking and honestly scum hunting

(Hasn't interacted with Sooh yet. This is just a read from observation. Null in terms of teammate equity)

Updated reads list. Reads on us 4 didn't change at all.

EoD reads list in case she got lynched:

3. Sooh – liking her posts so far. She seems to be thinking and honestly scum hunting

--Read hasn't changed

Lily points out that Sooh's read on Turin when she voted Tab sounded like it could be protecting Turin.

Lily leaning Sooh/Tab, but just instinct.


 

Read on Sooh seems to change solely on Sooh voting Tab over Turin (who was town). Lily/Sooh unsure

 

@LilyCan you explain why you went from Sooh being town to Sooh/Tab team?

 

 

 

 

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Posted

 

Lily about Shad

Shares excitement with Shad that the get to play together.
--Null
After Shad and I discuss why I said what I did, Lily asks how his headache is now.
-Null
When Shad asks why she voted me, Lily replies that there was a post that swayed her.
--Null
Lily quotes a post of Shad's from early in the game (where he explains how he likes Turin's early game, think's Thane's reaction is null, and says I already feel fishy), commenting on liking the amount of detail, and calling it a towny post.
--fair point. could be said about townie or teammate, though
When Shad explains his issues with my calling out his potential headache and sooh's not unvoting, Lily responds with saying that it doesn't change the fact that asking for clarification is a null tell 
--True, but not what was being discussed.
Lily's reads:
2. Shad – post #58 feels town
(Post she quoted earlier)
EoD reads list in case she got lynched:
2. Shad – post #58 feels town. Overall, his posts are prodding and poking at people. Asks lots of questions. Good townie feel. 
--More reason to have town read on him.
Read on Shad as "most townie of everyone"
Lily wavers on her strong town read on Shad because he 
didn't respond to me.
Lily points out that if scum had split on D1 trains, Shad would have to be scum, if Hally's claim was true (which it was)
Shad responds to my post, part of it saying that I'm not accepting his thinking my AtE as neccessarily town. Lily agrees that scum have them too. (This isn't what I meant. Shad twisted it and Lily agreed with the twist, which in its own right is true)
Understands Shad's POV. Doesn't agree with everything, but has Shad as reading very town.

Lily has a natural progression on her read of Shad. That's hard to do when you know they are scum IMO. Lily/Shad unlikely.
 
Lily about Tab

Tab asks Lily if she's WTV me, why isn't she? Lily responds with the reasons: Every vote is a big deal, it's why she asked about the DL - and - I can't always be scum. She's giving me the benefit of the doubt until she can't anymore.
Lily's reads:
8. Taborline – null. Not much content yet
(Fair point. Acceptable read.) 
Updated reads list. Reads on us 4 didn't change at all.
Replies to Tab asking what about Thane makes him town to her that she'd have to ISO and check.
Wants to know why Tab isn't voting this close the the DL.
8. Taborline – Going off Zander’s opinion of her meta. Town lean
--Read based entirely on someone else's view
Lily leaning Sooh/Tab, but just instinct.

Lily's only interaction with Tab was responding to Tab's question about her vote on me. She never tried to figure Tab out, and her read on Tab is based on someone else's meta. (I pointed out that her read changed on Tab, but it didn't make it into my notes. This point dependant on her response to why her read changed.). Lily/Tab possible
 
Lily about Sooh

Lily's reads:
3. Sooh – liking her posts so far. She seems to be thinking and honestly scum hunting
(Hasn't interacted with Sooh yet. This is just a read from observation. Null in terms of teammate equity)
Updated reads list. Reads on us 4 didn't change at all.
EoD reads list in case she got lynched:
3. Sooh – liking her posts so far. She seems to be thinking and honestly scum hunting
--Read hasn't changed
Lily points out that Sooh's read on Turin when she voted Tab sounded like it could be protecting Turin.
Lily leaning Sooh/Tab, but just instinct.

 
Read on Sooh seems to change solely on Sooh voting Tab over Turin (who was town). Lily/Sooh unsure
 
@LilyCan you explain why you went from Sooh being town to Sooh/Tab team?

 

Because I'm looking at everything. Nobody is safe from the Lily scrutiny today. LOL Mostly because I had decided that you and Shad were town. I'm now leaning a Tab/Shad team, though. Assuming I survive my ISO on you, I'll look at Tab with a Tab/Shad slant and see what that looks like. I have less than an hour today to play, so it will likely be in the morning. 

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