[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[wish-tree]

Lol, tapatalk

 

Here I am.

 

Gonna do some poking and prodding. There are some things I don't understand.

[wish-tree]

Did a bit of a Celeste ISO

 

This right here. Comes off frustrated villager. Especially looking at this being directed at Mafia!Zander, I do not see scum!Celeste saying this to scum!Zander. That doesn't happen. On the other hand, she could legit be frustrated as a teammate too but I don't see that here since Wish was the main target of Zander's. (see: Lenlo in Matrix)

 

This one again feels very villagery from frustration, especially point #2.

 

This shows a willingness to change her reads; she was voting Shad for iffy behavior at the start but unvotes due to changes in his behavior. I can also see from her ISO that she's asking questions and looking at other people, which is a good look for her as well.

 

Linking this one because it pulls in Pral too. So Celeste's reads list has Pral at the very bottom due to inactivity and Zander's response is

"Concerning Pral one post about catching up makes him your Top Scum read? Do you normally feel like low posters on inactivity is Scummy?  Like nobody else in all their posting makes you feel worse then him?"

Like yeah, I had just about the same thought, but coming from scum!Zander this is a -1 for Pral due to the defensiveness. Celeste still comes off okay in her response, though her reads list is ~meh.

 

LINK:

Celeste: "Look at my reads list, I don't really have strong scum reads. Let me ask you this then Do I look uniformed or informed in my posts? "

That last line really sticks out to me. Celeste seems rather lost d1 reads wise. I FEEL like she would be more informed and pushing as mafia but I'm not sure if it's something she could fake, too. @WISH, thoughts?

 

Hehe like this one

 

Feeling a townier lean on Celeste. Mostly feel like she didn't have a lot of time or good reads on d1. Mafia tends to have an easier time pushing people because they're informed and might hang on to reads a little longer. But I can see development in her reads and that's she trying to pay attention and that comes from a villager mindset for me. Also, those early reactions to Zander are screaming townie, imo. Probably not voting Celeste today, but I'd still like to see some work and progress from her.

 

@Lainey: She can fake being lost as Mafia. Look at TUS and Ragnorak. 

 

HOWEVER

The quote of hers that you pulled out, at least in my mind, in no world can come from a scum!Celeste. Especially "Let me ask you this. Do I look uninformed or informed in my posts?" As scum, she'd push the envelope about her gut feels, talking vaguely about something feeling off but not being sure entirely what, and would be less panicky and anxious when she was being voted. Scum Celeste does not panic. I've also never seen scum Celeste fake anger/panic (or if she has, I didn't notice it), so if that's what she's doing here, props, because the way she's posting is so indicative of her town meta.

 

The underlined part I would love to hear about from her, as well. Celeste is excellent at hunting wolves later on in the game. If she picks it up, I will be 100% solid on my read of her. 

[Cass]

My list is currently:

 

Lenlo/Pizza/Alanna

 

Shad/Wish 

 

Celeste/Kaylee 

 

Nolder 

Pral

 

 

 

Lenlo* - Going with the claim for now. Pluses yesterday far outweighed the negatives.

 

Pizza/Alanna - Way more pluses than minuses in the notes, and both of them appear to be working hard to figure out where players are coming from and have put a large amount of effort in to solving the game. Any reservations I have at this stage plausibly stem from differences in our personalities/style of play, going to go on ignoring tinfoil here.

 

Shad - Huge effort looking into other players, and I've agreed with a large number of his posts.  Still waiting on conclusions wrt Pral and response wrt his stance on Kaylee yesterday/today. Need to look more into his interactions with Zander. Some concerns of GOAT vs. TMI/pocketing WRT me.

 

Wish - So much Lenny, so much work. Her interaction with/approach to Zander seemed mostly genuine yesterday and I think her not voting him is more likely to be due to genuine hesitation/logic rather than deliberate avoidance because they were W-W. Zander's push on her also reads genuine to me - as in he wanted her lynched. Her wtl was the same as mine and liked her push on Pral/Csarmi to get more involved. Need to look into her reads of/reasons for voting Csarmi.

 

 

Which leaves me with PoE

 

Celeste/Kaylee - back and forth on these two and really cannot put one higher than the other right now.

Nolder/Pral

 

Kaylee - Early D1 really bothered me but I always read Kay scum. She's moving up for me for effort and conviction. Potential that she bussed Csarmi. Don't like wavering on me. 

 

Celeste - Gut still says Town but it's not enough since I haven't seen her scum. Needs to do more work and try harder to explain where she's at. I can understand her vote on Kaylee, but it's not fleshed out. Need to check example of Town over defensive/lash out.

 

Nolder - D1 no scum-hunting, don't like excuse given for lack of activity, strongly disagree with his reads and case on me is terrible/reachy. Don't like the way he dodged my questions wrt the wording of his vote on Pral. Do concede he may be Town and is making more effort to be involved today.

 

Pral - Here because PoE, OMGUS, lack of involvement. Case on me a stretch/?foregone conclusion. No direct pressuring, just opinion. No real pressure on anyone else from what I've seen. Requires serious ISO.

 

 

 

I'm pretty happy with the town core, but tbqf I am feeling really uneasy right now. I'm not actually confident that any of the bottom four are scum.

 

Basically

 

Celeste (gut says Town)

Kaylee (others I trust say Town)

Nolder (showing more effort, potentially Town)

Pral - Why would a wolf push such a flimsy case on me?

 

If there's deep wolf, I'm leaning Wish/Shad

[Cass]

Plan right now is to ISO my bottom four until the kids wake up. Here if anyone has questions/things that need addressing.

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

 

Gun to head I'm going to say Pral is town.

I wish there was more content to work with but sometimes gotta make tough call.

 

Ok who's next?

Shad how about you. Ok let's go.

Ok.

 

Talk to me.  What are your concerns?

 

 

Let's start here and hopefully I'll have more for you tomorrow night.

 

#15/16 - Weird to mention all the players you do and don't have meta on right at the start. Like you're setting up excuses for mislynches on townies maybe. (-1)

 

#617 - Gives reads list. Weird that he has Csarmi at the top. Says he explained it but may have missed the explanation. (0)

 

#799 - Basing his read on Celeste off how Wish acts. This doesn't bother me later in the game when connections are being made but it seems very early to me to draw these kinds of conclusions. (-0.5)

 

 

These are your old notes iirc.  Have you advanced on any of these thoughts so far?

 

Blue -- I named you, Lenlo, Laine, Zander as the people I think I can read well.  What has my approach to these four people done to strengthen or lessen your concern?

 

Green -- It was definitely a bad reason, as things panned out, but I explained it again later.  I don't know if I explicitly stated "this was my original reason" or if I just reiterated the reason, but did anything about my treatment of csarmi towards the end of D1 ping you?

 

Red -- I am still basing a lot of my Celeste read on the same principle.  What are your thoughts on Wish/Celeste interaction?

 

 

Good questions. I have stuff I'd like to go over, but would like to see Nolder answer first since I don't have him in the clear. This is another post I'm gonna watch, with popcorn.

[wish-tree]

 

 

All of Celeste's posts since the flip last night.
 

Ok. Sorry I haven't been here in a while. Zander pushed Lenny/me a lot which makes me think we were his scape goats. I also wanted to say earlier that Csarmi town read Zander before scum reading him I believe.

 

This to me reads as "See Wish and I can't be scum since Zander was making us his scape goats". First off I believe that was true of Wish. He didn't spend as much time on Celeste doing it. The " a lot " is a stretch for her unless I'm remembering wrong. Overall this post could be null to scum.
He was though in a way focusing on me too but it was a bit different from Wish. He was reluctant to view my meta while he understood yours or others "please see my meta" arguments. That is still scapegoating imo. 
 

3-4 mafia for 13 players? Agreed or Disagreed

 

Null statement focusing on mechanics.

I better understand the game through mechanics. It's info that I can analyze with current posts. The results I get don't fail me most of the time.
 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.
[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

Out of everything she could vote me for this seems like weak reasoning. At least go with the case Piazza made. Scummy

I do my own cases, not sheep others. It gives a totally different view of someone that can solve the game quicker. 


 

 

 

Ok. Sorry I haven't been here in a while. Zander pushed Lenny/me a lot which makes me think we were his scape goats. I also wanted to say earlier that Csarmi town read Zander before scum reading him I believe.

 
 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.
[v]Kaylee[/v]

 
I'm not opposed to this but I really need to figure you two out.
 
The vibe I got toward EoD was that Kaylee did a lot to get out of her lynch, and she did it well. This could come from Scum or Town Kaylee IMO. My gut feel later was that she could be scum bussing Csarmi and buddying me once Csarmi started going down (if I've understood correctly, this is in Kaylee's meta and something she does well). It was a strong feel and FWIW if she's the scum this fits with Shad's theory that I'm scum scapegoat in Zander's eyes. There were a couple of things she said that I thought were either indications that she was genuinely more confident that I was Town or buddying me. It freaked me out a little and I backed off to see how she'd respond today. I wish I could trust her, but I don't.
 
On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town.
 
@Penny
I think you're probably Town, but I can't lock you in yet, and I'd feel better if I could. 
 
1. Why are you pulling out Kaylee in particular? IMO he mentioned mind-melding much more noticeably with Laine. 
 
2. What do you make of Nolder, Lenlo, Pral? 
 
 

 

General thought: If there is a Godfather, it's probably not Wish.
 
Unless you think Zander hard busses his GF on day 1.
 Also, love the hard work you put in last night but we have to reconsider EoD in light of confirmed competing scum trains.

 
blue was @ Laine btw

 
I can see Zander hard bussing GF D1, for sure.
 
Where are you at on Nolder and Pral?

1. Laine seemed to have some reservations to Zander saying they are mind melding I believe. Kaylee didn't have any hesitant thoughts at all to it.
2. Pral I have been suspicious of. This feels like his scum play.[\b] Nolder needs to be looked at closely today. Lenlo is still iffy because he tunneled me most of yesterday. Didn't seem to be looking elsewhere.

 


OK so you vote me for weak reasoning. While explaining that reasoning you say the bold. Wait what?! If your feel he's on his scum game and is scummy why not vote there? It would make more sense. Why vote someone who "mind melded" with a known scummy over someone you feel is scummy and on their scum game? Really scummy.

Because Pral is someone I need to triple check. He's started quiet and I think his posts are mostly null. I need more from him and his type of play style doesn't really react to pressure votes.

 

 

 

1. Laine seemed to have some reservations to Zander saying they are mind melding I believe. Kaylee didn't have any hesitant thoughts at all to it.
2. Pral I have been suspicious of. This feels like his scum play. Nolder needs to be looked at closely today. Lenlo is still iffy because he tunneled me most of yesterday. Didn't seem to be looking elsewhere.

I like red from you. Shows you're thinking and paying attention.

That's pretty much my D1 if people want me to provide some facts later on with my gut reads.

  

What about what's happened D2, besides what I've just pointed out.

We wait and see. 

I need to look into Turin a bit more. I believe a clue could be in his posts. I'm on my phone though.

 


Still interested in hearing this.


 

 

I couldn't finish ISOing Zander last night.
 
a) I had seen enough
b) I was tired af
c) Sooh was going to bed and I wanted cuddle tiems
d) I was kinda hoping a vig would shoot Zander so I wouldn't have to continue
 
Good shot, vig. That was never a SK because a scum went down already, outed doctor, the scums would shoot the doctor, so you know you have a free shot on obvious townies like myself.
 
Ergo, we have a lock clear vigilante.

This isn't really clear to me since the SK would still have to get rid of mafia to win. Idk what basic setup is on DM. So I just might be blabbering.

Seems clear but OK. Null statement.


  

@Cass will get to your question once I get on laptop.

 

Look forward to it. (Another promise of work. I'd null unless she doesn't do it).

 

Anyways I really should sleep now.

Nothing here but it was another of her posts so I added it.

  

 

 

 

IMO put Shad and myself on Ignore mode when you do re-reads.
 
Those people should be blue.
 
Nolder.

 
 
Pizza, I'm going to be honest and say it's posts like this of yours and Cory's that freak me out. I have you Town, but it's a silly move to ever put you blue IMO.
 
What's do you actually mean by 'Nolder'?

 
It's a silly move to say that certain players can never be blue.
 
Context, Cass. Nolder begrudgingly admits I'm not the top suspect.
 
I'm blue. Deal with it.

I'm going to be honest here, if I heard anybody say that on my home site I would place my vote ASAP. It's pretty pingy to me but not sure how other sites handle such statements.

Possibly an attempt to fling dirt piazzas way.

I was being honest and direct to the thread. I'm not hiding my thoughts of fishy posts.
  

 

Feel free.

i was just stating that. The rest of my statement was me not knowing how it applies here but just saying it's odd. Laine I need to sleep.

Backs off.


  

Oh gosh I remember the last game I lost it in as town now. Yeah, I will link it once I'm on a laptop.

Again doesn't say much unless she doesn't follow through.


Overall not a good look IMOH. A lot of null but some scummy stuff as well. Considering I expected her to step up her game I'm not impressed. Guess we'll see what she had to say when she's back online. I could switch my vote to her at this point.

 

Responses in blue.

 

 

I like the blue responses that I've underlined.

 

I agree with the green. Would like further explanation from people how this makes someone a lock-clear vig. 

[wish-tree]

All of Celeste's posts since the flip last night.
 

Ok. Sorry I haven't been here in a while. Zander pushed Lenny/me a lot which makes me think we were his scape goats. I also wanted to say earlier that Csarmi town read Zander before scum reading him I believe.

 

This to me reads as "See Wish and I can't be scum since Zander was making us his scape goats". First off I believe that was true of Wish. He didn't spend as much time on Celeste doing it. The " a lot " is a stretch for her unless I'm remembering wrong. Overall this post could be null to scum.

 

3-4 mafia for 13 players? Agreed or Disagreed

 

Null statement focusing on mechanics.


 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.
[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

Out of everything she could vote me for this seems like weak reasoning. At least go with the case Piazza made. Scummy




 

 

 

Ok. Sorry I haven't been here in a while. Zander pushed Lenny/me a lot which makes me think we were his scape goats. I also wanted to say earlier that Csarmi town read Zander before scum reading him I believe.

 
 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.
[v]Kaylee[/v]

 
I'm not opposed to this but I really need to figure you two out.
 
The vibe I got toward EoD was that Kaylee did a lot to get out of her lynch, and she did it well. This could come from Scum or Town Kaylee IMO. My gut feel later was that she could be scum bussing Csarmi and buddying me once Csarmi started going down (if I've understood correctly, this is in Kaylee's meta and something she does well). It was a strong feel and FWIW if she's the scum this fits with Shad's theory that I'm scum scapegoat in Zander's eyes. There were a couple of things she said that I thought were either indications that she was genuinely more confident that I was Town or buddying me. It freaked me out a little and I backed off to see how she'd respond today. I wish I could trust her, but I don't.
 
On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town.
 
@Penny
I think you're probably Town, but I can't lock you in yet, and I'd feel better if I could. 
 
1. Why are you pulling out Kaylee in particular? IMO he mentioned mind-melding much more noticeably with Laine. 
 
2. What do you make of Nolder, Lenlo, Pral? 
 
 

 

General thought: If there is a Godfather, it's probably not Wish.
 
Unless you think Zander hard busses his GF on day 1.
 Also, love the hard work you put in last night but we have to reconsider EoD in light of confirmed competing scum trains.

 
blue was @ Laine btw

 
I can see Zander hard bussing GF D1, for sure.
 
Where are you at on Nolder and Pral?

1. Laine seemed to have some reservations to Zander saying they are mind melding I believe. Kaylee didn't have any hesitant thoughts at all to it.
2. Pral I have been suspicious of. This feels like his scum play.[\b] Nolder needs to be looked at closely today. Lenlo is still iffy because he tunneled me most of yesterday. Didn't seem to be looking elsewhere.

 


OK so you vote me for weak reasoning. While explaining that reasoning you say the bold. Wait what?! If your feel he's on his scum game and is scummy why not vote there? It would make more sense. Why vote someone who "mind melded" with a known scummy over someone you feel is scummy and on their scum game? Really scummy.


 

 

 

1. Laine seemed to have some reservations to Zander saying they are mind melding I believe. Kaylee didn't have any hesitant thoughts at all to it.
2. Pral I have been suspicious of. This feels like his scum play. Nolder needs to be looked at closely today. Lenlo is still iffy because he tunneled me most of yesterday. Didn't seem to be looking elsewhere.

I like red from you. Shows you're thinking and paying attention.

That's pretty much my D1 if people want me to provide some facts later on with my gut reads.

  

What about what's happened D2, besides what I've just pointed out.

I need to look into Turin a bit more. I believe a clue could be in his posts. I'm on my phone though.

 


Still interested in hearing this.


 

 

I couldn't finish ISOing Zander last night.
 
a) I had seen enough
b) I was tired af
c) Sooh was going to bed and I wanted cuddle tiems
d) I was kinda hoping a vig would shoot Zander so I wouldn't have to continue
 
Good shot, vig. That was never a SK because a scum went down already, outed doctor, the scums would shoot the doctor, so you know you have a free shot on obvious townies like myself.
 
Ergo, we have a lock clear vigilante.

This isn't really clear to me since the SK would still have to get rid of mafia to win. Idk what basic setup is on DM. So I just might be blabbering.

Seems clear but OK. Null statement.


  

@Cass will get to your question once I get on laptop.

 

Look forward to it. (Another promise of work. I'd null unless she doesn't do it).

 

Anyways I really should sleep now.

Nothing here but it was another of her posts so I added it.

  

 

 

 

IMO put Shad and myself on Ignore mode when you do re-reads.
 
Those people should be blue.
 
Nolder.

 
 
Pizza, I'm going to be honest and say it's posts like this of yours and Cory's that freak me out. I have you Town, but it's a silly move to ever put you blue IMO.
 
What's do you actually mean by 'Nolder'?

 
It's a silly move to say that certain players can never be blue.
 
Context, Cass. Nolder begrudgingly admits I'm not the top suspect.
 
I'm blue. Deal with it.

I'm going to be honest here, if I heard anybody say that on my home site I would place my vote ASAP. It's pretty pingy to me but not sure how other sites handle such statements.

Possibly an attempt to fling dirt piazzas way.


  

 

Feel free.

i was just stating that. The rest of my statement was me not knowing how it applies here but just saying it's odd. Laine I need to sleep.

Backs off.


  

Oh gosh I remember the last game I lost it in as town now. Yeah, I will link it once I'm on a laptop.

Again doesn't say much unless she doesn't follow through.


Overall not a good look IMOH. A lot of null but some scummy stuff as well. Considering I expected her to step up her game I'm not impressed. Guess we'll see what she had to say when she's back online. I could switch my vote to her at this point.

 

 

Agreed with the underlined parts.

 

As for Penny's vote on you, it makes more sense to me than a possible vote on Pralaya, Nolder, or Lenlo, because there is vague reasoning. She said that she needs to look into it. Of course, this has to happen, but I think that her voting someone that 'mindmelded' with scum makes sense for her over voting someone whose play she thinks she knows about, but isn't sure about. 

 

I would like to hear her response about what she thinks Pralaya's scum meta is.

 

Turin's ISO leaves me unimpressed, he was pocketed by Zander big time. Shad was in his WTL a lot but I think he is slight town now. Kind of makes me think hypothetically what would a deep wolfing Shad look like? I felt like his points were wish washy in a way with his tunneling too.

Lassie, explain the green part?

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. Sorry I haven't been here in a while. Zander pushed Lenny/me a lot which makes me think we were his scape goats. I also wanted to say earlier that Csarmi town read Zander before scum reading him I believe.

 
 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.
[v]Kaylee[/v]

 
I'm not opposed to this but I really need to figure you two out.
 
The vibe I got toward EoD was that Kaylee did a lot to get out of her lynch, and she did it well. This could come from Scum or Town Kaylee IMO. My gut feel later was that she could be scum bussing Csarmi and buddying me once Csarmi started going down (if I've understood correctly, this is in Kaylee's meta and something she does well). It was a strong feel and FWIW if she's the scum this fits with Shad's theory that I'm scum scapegoat in Zander's eyes. There were a couple of things she said that I thought were either indications that she was genuinely more confident that I was Town or buddying me. It freaked me out a little and I backed off to see how she'd respond today. I wish I could trust her, but I don't.
 
On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town.
 
@Penny
I think you're probably Town, but I can't lock you in yet, and I'd feel better if I could. 
 
1. Why are you pulling out Kaylee in particular? IMO he mentioned mind-melding much more noticeably with Laine. 
 
2. What do you make of Nolder, Lenlo, Pral? 
 
 

 

General thought: If there is a Godfather, it's probably not Wish.
 
Unless you think Zander hard busses his GF on day 1.
 
Also, love the hard work you put in last night but we have to reconsider EoD in light of confirmed competing scum trains.

 
blue was @ Laine btw

 
I can see Zander hard bussing GF D1, for sure.
 
Where are you at on Nolder and Pral?

 

 

 

1. Laine seemed to have some reservations to Zander saying they are mind melding I believe. Kaylee didn't have any hesitant thoughts at all to it.

2. Pral I have been suspicious of. This feels like his scum play. Nolder needs to be looked at closely today. Lenlo is still iffy because he tunneled me most of yesterday. Didn't seem to be looking elsewhere.

 

 

Oh Penny, what am I going to do with you??

 

1. Ok, good point. Why is this enough to vote? Have you got anything else?

 

2. Give me examples of how Pral's play feels scummy to you. Explain as much as you can.

 

 

While we're at it, please find me some examples where you've cracked under pressure when Town. 

 

 

 

 If you're Town, I feel I intuitively get you now. I can't fully trust that yet though, I haven't seen all of your content and I haven't seen you scum :P

 

 

 

 

*snipped*

*snipped*

1. It just felt right in a way. I just feel like Kaylee has more wolf equity with her talking of Zander in a way than others.

 

2. I really can't explain gut vibes well, you just have to believe me on them.  http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Ft5AzhkhYF4W I don't remember where it got rough but it was a horrible loss of temper for me.

 

 

Celeste: I'd like you to dig into this for me (blue parts).

 

Shad: What theory are you talking about here (purple part)? (I think this is what Cass wrote)

 

Cass: The part in red I've highlighted is really pingy to me. I don't know what to do with it. Please explain it and what your current read of Kaylee is. 

[wish-tree]

 

But more likely I found 2 and then I also found 2 others. 50% is a bad score.

 

I need a dead scum today or I won't be that happy.

If you want to do it, let's start looking at the wagon. What do you think happened? Csarmi was a completely town led lynch which zander decide to join due to no other choice? If not, who in that csarmi wagon is scum?

 

I like this post from Pralaya, especially the underlined bit. Instead of asking Pizza about his thoughts, I would like to hear what you have to say too.

 

Irt that, my opinion is that Zander joined the wagon and then started to ISO csarmi to look like he had reasons to vote on the wagon. If there is another scum on the wagon, would it be tempting to join after Zander? Probably. But it would be obvious, wouldn't it?

 

Let's look at the case if one or more (depending on how many scum we have left) of csarmi's teammates was on the wagon before Zander was. Why would you, as a scum buddy, gun for csarmi even before there was much attention on him, unless you were intent on sacrificing him?

 

When csarmi claims, it reads as a 'give up play'. Was this planned by the scum team or not (see Pralaya's earlier suggestion about csarmi as a martyr), or was this done out of pure frustration by csarmi? 

 

It seems that Zander was not expecting to have to vote csarmi, and believed that his counterwagon on me could take off. According to Zander's behavior regarding csarmi, it does not appear that the Mafia team planned to sacrifice csarmi, and only did so because there was no other choice. If we analyze wagonomics, it's more likely for scum to be on the off-wagons or a later vote. 

 

Thoughts? Going to dig up the vote count from EOD1. 

 

And this went silent during my brief return and leave. Anyways Lenlo if your cop why didn't you just investigate me? Instead of always voting me every chance you get. 

 

Hmm. I understand this question in terms of Celeste thinking that Lenlo was tunneling her. Also, this is a valid question for Lenlo, imo, but I think that often as cop, players will investigate those they are tinfoiling about instead of people they actually believe are scum, because they think they're right and there's no need to investigate (at least, this is what I often think, lol!).

[Cass]

 

And this went silent during my brief return and leave. Anyways Lenlo if your cop why didn't you just investigate me? Instead of always voting me every chance you get.

This post bugs me. More now that I've reread it. It why even say this? We've discussed the GF angle already by this point. I get it's partly that he's been after her, but something about it just really bugs me. Maybe it's the "then I'd be clear" assumption to it added to the GF angle. Maybe it's the fact that earlier she said mechanics help her figure things out. If that's true then wouldn't your consider the possibility of a GF after the flips?

 

 

@Lenny-Wish - what do you make of this one?

 

Feels awkward/insecure but I'm not sure if I'm projecting/reading it right.

 

Town Penny has been direct and blunt and confident in tone to me, which way do you read it?

 

 

 

Did a bit of a Celeste ISO

 

This right here. Comes off frustrated villager. Especially looking at this being directed at Mafia!Zander, I do not see scum!Celeste saying this to scum!Zander. That doesn't happen. On the other hand, she could legit be frustrated as a teammate too but I don't see that here since Wish was the main target of Zander's. (see: Lenlo in Matrix)

 

This one again feels very villagery from frustration, especially point #2.

 

This shows a willingness to change her reads; she was voting Shad for iffy behavior at the start but unvotes due to changes in his behavior. I can also see from her ISO that she's asking questions and looking at other people, which is a good look for her as well.

 

Linking this one because it pulls in Pral too. So Celeste's reads list has Pral at the very bottom due to inactivity and Zander's response is

"Concerning Pral one post about catching up makes him your Top Scum read? Do you normally feel like low posters on inactivity is Scummy?  Like nobody else in all their posting makes you feel worse then him?"

Like yeah, I had just about the same thought, but coming from scum!Zander this is a -1 for Pral due to the defensiveness. Celeste still comes off okay in her response, though her reads list is ~meh.

 

LINK:

Celeste: "Look at my reads list, I don't really have strong scum reads. Let me ask you this then Do I look uniformed or informed in my posts? "

That last line really sticks out to me. Celeste seems rather lost d1 reads wise. I FEEL like she would be more informed and pushing as mafia but I'm not sure if it's something she could fake, too. @WISH, thoughts?

 

Hehe like this one

 

Feeling a townier lean on Celeste. Mostly feel like she didn't have a lot of time or good reads on d1. Mafia tends to have an easier time pushing people because they're informed and might hang on to reads a little longer. But I can see development in her reads and that's she trying to pay attention and that comes from a villager mindset for me. Also, those early reactions to Zander are screaming townie, imo. Probably not voting Celeste today, but I'd still like to see some work and progress from her.

 

@Lainey: She can fake being lost as Mafia. Look at TUS and Ragnorak. 

 

HOWEVER

The quote of hers that you pulled out, at least in my mind, in no world can come from a scum!Celeste. Especially "Let me ask you this. Do I look uninformed or informed in my posts?" As scum, she'd push the envelope about her gut feels, talking vaguely about something feeling off but not being sure entirely what, and would be less panicky and anxious when she was being voted. Scum Celeste does not panic. I've also never seen scum Celeste fake anger/panic (or if she has, I didn't notice it), so if that's what she's doing here, props, because the way she's posting is so indicative of her town meta.

 

The underlined part I would love to hear about from her, as well. Celeste is excellent at hunting wolves later on in the game. If she picks it up, I will be 100% solid on my read of her. 

 

 

More good work by Alanna and I 100% agree with the bold underlined at the end of her quote.

 

I can't comment on end-game, but agree Penny's wolf hunting is sharp when she's involved. 

[wish-tree]

My list is currently:

 

Lenlo/Pizza/Alanna

 

Shad/Wish 

 

Celeste/Kaylee 

 

Nolder 

Pral

 

 

 

Lenlo* - Going with the claim for now. Pluses yesterday far outweighed the negatives.

 

Pizza/Alanna - Way more pluses than minuses in the notes, and both of them appear to be working hard to figure out where players are coming from and have put a large amount of effort in to solving the game. Any reservations I have at this stage plausibly stem from differences in our personalities/style of play, going to go on ignoring tinfoil here.

 

Shad - Huge effort looking into other players, and I've agreed with a large number of his posts.  Still waiting on conclusions wrt Pral and response wrt his stance on Kaylee yesterday/today. Need to look more into his interactions with Zander. Some concerns of GOAT vs. TMI/pocketing WRT me.

 

Wish - So much Lenny, so much work. Her interaction with/approach to Zander seemed mostly genuine yesterday and I think her not voting him is more likely to be due to genuine hesitation/logic rather than deliberate avoidance because they were W-W. Zander's push on her also reads genuine to me - as in he wanted her lynched. Her wtl was the same as mine and liked her push on Pral/Csarmi to get more involved. Need to look into her reads of/reasons for voting Csarmi.

 

 

Which leaves me with PoE

 

Celeste/Kaylee - back and forth on these two and really cannot put one higher than the other right now.

Nolder/Pral

 

Kaylee - Early D1 really bothered me but I always read Kay scum. She's moving up for me for effort and conviction. Potential that she bussed Csarmi. Don't like wavering on me. 

 

Celeste - Gut still says Town but it's not enough since I haven't seen her scum. Needs to do more work and try harder to explain where she's at. I can understand her vote on Kaylee, but it's not fleshed out. Need to check example of Town over defensive/lash out.

 

Nolder - D1 no scum-hunting, don't like excuse given for lack of activity, strongly disagree with his reads and case on me is terrible/reachy. Don't like the way he dodged my questions wrt the wording of his vote on Pral. Do concede he may be Town and is making more effort to be involved today.

 

Pral - Here because PoE, OMGUS, lack of involvement. Case on me a stretch/?foregone conclusion. No direct pressuring, just opinion. No real pressure on anyone else from what I've seen. Requires serious ISO.

 

 

 

I'm pretty happy with the town core, but tbqf I am feeling really uneasy right now. I'm not actually confident that any of the bottom four are scum.

 

Basically

 

Celeste (gut says Town)

Kaylee (others I trust say Town)

Nolder (showing more effort, potentially Town)

Pral - Why would a wolf push such a flimsy case on me?

 

If there's deep wolf, I'm leaning Wish/Shad

 

Understand your reservations on Celeste, Kaylee, Nolder

 

Need to hear more about Pral's flimsy case on you.

 

Why would a wolf push such a flimsy case on me? Yet Zander did.

[wish-tree]

 

 

And this went silent during my brief return and leave. Anyways Lenlo if your cop why didn't you just investigate me? Instead of always voting me every chance you get.

This post bugs me. More now that I've reread it. It why even say this? We've discussed the GF angle already by this point. I get it's partly that he's been after her, but something about it just really bugs me. Maybe it's the "then I'd be clear" assumption to it added to the GF angle. Maybe it's the fact that earlier she said mechanics help her figure things out. If that's true then wouldn't your consider the possibility of a GF after the flips?

 

 

@Lenny-Wish - what do you make of this one?

 

Feels awkward/insecure but I'm not sure if I'm projecting/reading it right.

 

Town Penny has been direct and blunt and confident in tone to me, which way do you read it?

 

-snipped-

Tbh this is her awkwardest post. I can see how she'd make it as town, but still, it's a weird post. 

[Kaylee]

*snipped*

 

Irt that, my opinion is that Zander joined the wagon and then started to ISO csarmi to look like he had reasons to vote on the wagon. If there is another scum on the wagon, would it be tempting to join after Zander? Probably. But it would be obvious, wouldn't it?

 

Let's look at the case if one or more (depending on how many scum we have left) of csarmi's teammates was on the wagon before Zander was. Why would you, as a scum buddy, gun for csarmi even before there was much attention on him, unless you were intent on sacrificing him?

 

When csarmi claims, it reads as a 'give up play'. Was this planned by the scum team or not (see Pralaya's earlier suggestion about csarmi as a martyr), or was this done out of pure frustration by csarmi?

 

It seems that Zander was not expecting to have to vote csarmi, and believed that his counterwagon on me could take off. According to Zander's behavior regarding csarmi, it does not appear that the Mafia team planned to sacrifice csarmi, and only did so because there was no other choice. If we analyze wagonomics, it's more likely for scum to be on the off-wagons or a later vote.

 

Thoughts? Going to dig up the vote count from EOD1.

 

 

And this went silent during my brief return and leave. Anyways Lenlo if your cop why didn't you just investigate me? Instead of always voting me every chance you get.

Hmm. I understand this question in terms of Celeste thinking that Lenlo was tunneling her. Also, this is a valid question for Lenlo, imo, but I think that often as cop, players will investigate those they are tinfoiling about instead of people they actually believe are scum, because they think they're right and there's no need to investigate (at least, this is what I often think, lol!).

Bold: makes sense.

[Kaylee]

*snipped*

 

I can't comment on end-game, but agree Penny's wolf hunting is sharp when she's involved.

We'll see if she starts getting involved. She started to but haven't seen enough to get her out of my bottom pool.

[wish-tree]

 

Gun to head I'm going to say Pral is town.

I wish there was more content to work with but sometimes gotta make tough call.

 

Ok who's next?

Shad how about you. Ok let's go.

 

 

Ok... Why? I want to know how you arrive at your reads more than who your reads actually are until they flip. Reasons are important to show your thought process prior to flip and help determine whether motive was scummy afterwards. I don't see why you leave them out as Town.

 

>>Agreed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I viewed Zander last night, because EOD had me floating on him. Wanted to confirm that slot.

Lenlo, this does not look good for you, especially because Zander died.

 

Either you're Mafia or the actual cop. I don't think we've gotten anywhere on this. There is no reason for a VT to claim cop, imo.

If there is a Godfather present, then there is no reason for scum Lenlo to claim cop. Why? Because if Lenlo is the Godfather, obviously he wouldn't sacrifice himself. If Lenlo is not the Godfather, then what is the need to out the cop? The cop cannot find the Godfather anyway.

The optimal play from scum Lenlo would have been to claim the vig. He didn't. He is likely telling the truth.

Hi, Pralaya.

 

I apppreciate you popping in to defend Lenlo. What I would like to see is your own work as well.

 

 

Don't have a single non-game post so far.

 

(Except the above one :) )

lol

 

I think my main issue was how much you posted, not how much content you had.

 

Give me a reason to move you up. What is your WTL list today?

 

Likely because I skipped half the posts and skimmed the other half. Well, not exactly. I did try to read the first 50 pages in detail 

 

Cass, Celeste, Laine and Kaylee are the only ones I don't think are town. I have clear reasons to town clear the others. Cass would be my WTL

Why Laine and Kaylee?

Why Cass over the rest?

 

Has Celeste still not explained her whole rustlemania thing with regards to me?

Nope, don't think it was clear or explained. I would also like to hear more irt this.

 

So far vote for myself, for Leno (which I'm sure will now disappear), and for Celeste.

I know it's not me. Pral and Celeste are highest on my list.

I'll Pral

Taking Lenlo off my WTL. I disagree with his conclusion on Cass.

What do you think about Nolder's Pral conclusion?

 

 

 

Well first of all let's start at the beginning because if you don't have a good foundation the whole thing falls apart anyway.

This is all based on the assumption that Csarmi and Xander are wolves together.

I'm not necessarily opposed to that idea since I don't have Xander in my town pile yet and a couple people were saying he's off his town meta but I'd still like to see you make the case for Xander and Csarmi being connected before I take the rest of that too seriously. 

 

If I can't buy that Xander/Csarmi are w/w the rest of it doesn't matter you know?

Well, apparently the vig bought that Zander/csarmi are w/w. 

 

What's the rest?

 

Nolder, what do you read Kaylee as atm? What about Pizza? What about Cass? Lenlo? Pralaya?

1) There is no rest. I never bothered to go that far because it would have been a waste of my time if you couldn't convince me of Xander's connection to Csarmi in the first place. It was your job to prove the case not my job to prove you wrong.

 

2) Kaylee light green. Been that way most of the game. If there's a deep wolf I think she's my girl.

3) IDK I was very convinced he's scum but he's said and done some very unscummy things towards EOD1 and during N1. I want him to be scum but he probably isn't. I refuse to discount it yet but I'm not putting his head on the block.

4) Cass is in kind of a similar place except instead of seeming scummy and then doing townie things I feel like she just hasn't done enough to show her scumminess yet. Maybe I'm just wrong here idk.

5) 100% Town.

6) IDK need to ISO.

 

My goal today is not to catch scum.

My goal is to add more townies to my village and lynch from whoever's not in it.

 

Hmm. Who's in your village atm?

I honestly don't know why you viewed zander.I would have felt better about checking a more gray player and not one who was immediately on the line next day phase.

Meh. Is what it is.

Agreed.

 

Gun to head I'm going to say Pral is town.

I wish there was more content to work with but sometimes gotta make tough call.

 

Ok who's next?

Shad how about you. Ok let's go.

Is this after ISOing him?

I like these questions from Lenny.

Lenn, can you provide your opinions on the statements/subjects you're questioning pls

 

Yup. So I've highlighted the things in purple that I'm addressing.

 

-Nolder reading Pralaya as town based off of low content. It's difficult to understand why Nolder is reading Pralaya as town.

-I wanted to hear from Kaylee, who had the opposite POV about Pralaya, about Nolder's thoughts on Pralaya, because I didn't really like either Nolder or Kaylee's case on Pralaya. Neither case seems to be very fleshed out or substantial.

-Nolder wanting to add town to his village and not catch scum, just lynch people not in his village -- that wording is weird to me. May not seem like a big deal, but as an English major, a lot of my reads are based off of writing/phrasing analysis. 

-Celeste still needs to bring up the Rustlemania examples. I co-modded for that game, so I can corroborate her story if she is correct about Nolder.

-I would lynch Kaylee before Cass. Cass has had a lot more content-rich posting, and seems to be actively trying to step up her game. I'm still giving Kaylee time, but I would like to see an increase in towning. Lainey I would not want to lynch at all, because Cass has more potential to be deep wolf in the way the scum team has been handling Lainey/Cass.

 

Zander attempts to pocket Lainey by doing the flirt-flirt-fluff thing that they usually do early game, but as someone else pointed out before, it didn't seem like Laine trusted him. As Celeste pointed out, Lainey was wary of him saying that they were mind-melding.

 

Cass, on the other hand, is called out for being paranoid within their first few interactions, and for acting 'not-town'. There's a fair amount of fluffing around, also mentioning Cory and things, but this kind of behavior, which seems like buddying, quickly drops away as Zander vaguely calls her out and then returns to reading Cass as town.

[wish-tree]

 

The thing is I don't see the same tone against Cass as he had with wish. So, I don't know how Shad is trying to say that Zander's posts spew Cass as town.

 

I agree with your comment on Wish, and while we all know Zander likes to bus, he does it with the goal of winning games, and he has the experience to know what that means.  Consider:

 

Zander's first bus game, relied exclusively on gut, provided no case, managed to get his partner lynched when she was town telling like crazy and had a lot of us pocketed.  It bought him a pass for a while.  Towns kept dying.  Wait a second, how did Zander really know Talya was scum when all of Shad/Verbal/AJ/BFG were oblivious to it at the time?  TMI, gets lynched, town wins.

 

Zander's second bus game, relies entirely on a case because 'gut' was TMI last time, crafts a really solid one because it's a lot easier to point out scummy things when you know someone is scum lolololol.  Holds off the actual lynch for two days by playing up the tunnel vision, because tunnel vision can make towns fail to take notice of the actual quality of the case.  Lenlo finally gets lynched, people review Zander's case and realize it was spot on all along, lock him in as town, scum wins.

 

Diablo: Zander cases a town.  Has a few good reasons and some pretty bad ones.  The push backfires (and he gets peeked), gets lynched instead of his target.

 

This game: Zander cases someone.  Has a few good reasons a lot of pretty bad ones.  The push backfires (and he gets peeked,) gets lynched instead of his target.

 

Yeah, Wish probably town.  Would be a pretty clever and yet stupidly high-risk self-sacrifice otherwise, as either 1) town follows his lead and lynches her, then lynches him after she flips scum anyway because it was super TMI and Zander has a history, or 2) he gets outed for the case D2 or D3, still can't ensure Wish doesn't get vigged by someone who believes him beforehand, still can't ensure she isn't lynched at 3-player lylo because town is telling too hard or has confirmed PRs still living.

 

But Pral, couldn't the difference in tone be a simple consequence of Zander not (in what, the first 20 pages?) making Cass his committed lynch push?  I can understand if you don't agree with my theory that Zander spewed Cass town, but what does his case on Wish have to do with it?

 

 

I think that Pralaya's tone theory vs. Shad's POV of Zander not making Cass the committed lynch push do not inherently make either Pralaya or Shad wolves. @Kaylee

 

I believe that Pralaya is trying to say that because Zander spewed me town, his similar (yet different) approach to Cass makes her scummier, because the tone with which he went after Cass was significantly less harsh and argumentatory than his tone with which he went after me.

 

Both of these POVs are possibilities in my book, and if you read Pralaya as scum off of this, I think it is a weak case to make.

[wish-tree]

LOL ME

 

I wrote argumentatory instead of argumentative.

 

That's not a word.

 

I fail at life. :'(

 

IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY ARGUMENTATIVE.

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. Sorry I haven't been here in a while. Zander pushed Lenny/me a lot which makes me think we were his scape goats. I also wanted to say earlier that Csarmi town read Zander before scum reading him I believe.

 

 

 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.

[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

I'm not opposed to this but I really need to figure you two out.

 

The vibe I got toward EoD was that Kaylee did a lot to get out of her lynch, and she did it well. This could come from Scum or Town Kaylee IMO. My gut feel later was that she could be scum bussing Csarmi and buddying me once Csarmi started going down (if I've understood correctly, this is in Kaylee's meta and something she does well). It was a strong feel and FWIW if she's the scum this fits with Shad's theory that I'm scum scapegoat in Zander's eyes. There were a couple of things she said that I thought were either indications that she was genuinely more confident that I was Town or buddying me. It freaked me out a little and I backed off to see how she'd respond today. I wish I could trust her, but I don't.

 

On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town.

 

@Penny

I think you're probably Town, but I can't lock you in yet, and I'd feel better if I could. 

 

1. Why are you pulling out Kaylee in particular? IMO he mentioned mind-melding much more noticeably with Laine. 

 

2. What do you make of Nolder, Lenlo, Pral? 

 

 

 

General thought: If there is a Godfather, it's probably not Wish.

 

Unless you think Zander hard busses his GF on day 1.

 

Also, love the hard work you put in last night but we have to reconsider EoD in light of confirmed competing scum trains.

 

blue was @ Laine btw

 

I can see Zander hard bussing GF D1, for sure.

 

Where are you at on Nolder and Pral?

 

 

 

1. Laine seemed to have some reservations to Zander saying they are mind melding I believe. Kaylee didn't have any hesitant thoughts at all to it.

 

2. Pral I have been suspicious of. This feels like his scum play. Nolder needs to be looked at closely today. Lenlo is still iffy because he tunneled me most of yesterday. Didn't seem to be looking elsewhere.

 

 

Oh Penny, what am I going to do with you??

 

1. Ok, good point. Why is this enough to vote? Have you got anything else?

 

2. Give me examples of how Pral's play feels scummy to you. Explain as much as you can.

 

 

While we're at it, please find me some examples where you've cracked under pressure when Town. 

 

 

 

 If you're Town, I feel I intuitively get you now. I can't fully trust that yet though, I haven't seen all of your content and I haven't seen you scum :P

 

 

 

 

*snipped*

*snipped*

1. It just felt right in a way. I just feel like Kaylee has more wolf equity with her talking of Zander in a way than others.

 

2. I really can't explain gut vibes well, you just have to believe me on them.  http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Ft5AzhkhYF4W I don't remember where it got rough but it was a horrible loss of temper for me.

 

 

 

Celeste: I'd like you to dig into this for me (blue parts).

 

Shad: What theory are you talking about here (purple part)? (I think this is what Cass wrote)

 

Cass: The part in red I've highlighted is really pingy to me. I don't know what to do with it. Please explain it and what your current read of Kaylee is. 

 

 

 

On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town. ?

 

Why does it ping for you? 

 

I can't explain it other than she makes me really uneasy whenever we play together. Even when I'm scum and know she's Town I find her frustratingly closed/hedgey/plausibly both alignments.  

 

Current take on her is in recent reads.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. Sorry I haven't been here in a while. Zander pushed Lenny/me a lot which makes me think we were his scape goats. I also wanted to say earlier that Csarmi town read Zander before scum reading him I believe.

 

 

 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.

[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

I'm not opposed to this but I really need to figure you two out.

 

The vibe I got toward EoD was that Kaylee did a lot to get out of her lynch, and she did it well. This could come from Scum or Town Kaylee IMO. My gut feel later was that she could be scum bussing Csarmi and buddying me once Csarmi started going down (if I've understood correctly, this is in Kaylee's meta and something she does well). It was a strong feel and FWIW if she's the scum this fits with Shad's theory that I'm scum scapegoat in Zander's eyes. There were a couple of things she said that I thought were either indications that she was genuinely more confident that I was Town or buddying me. It freaked me out a little and I backed off to see how she'd respond today. I wish I could trust her, but I don't.

 

On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town.

 

@Penny

I think you're probably Town, but I can't lock you in yet, and I'd feel better if I could. 

 

1. Why are you pulling out Kaylee in particular? IMO he mentioned mind-melding much more noticeably with Laine. 

 

2. What do you make of Nolder, Lenlo, Pral? 

 

 

 

General thought: If there is a Godfather, it's probably not Wish.

 

Unless you think Zander hard busses his GF on day 1.

 

Also, love the hard work you put in last night but we have to reconsider EoD in light of confirmed competing scum trains.

 

blue was @ Laine btw

 

I can see Zander hard bussing GF D1, for sure.

 

Where are you at on Nolder and Pral?

 

 

 

1. Laine seemed to have some reservations to Zander saying they are mind melding I believe. Kaylee didn't have any hesitant thoughts at all to it.

 

2. Pral I have been suspicious of. This feels like his scum play. Nolder needs to be looked at closely today. Lenlo is still iffy because he tunneled me most of yesterday. Didn't seem to be looking elsewhere.

 

 

Oh Penny, what am I going to do with you??

 

1. Ok, good point. Why is this enough to vote? Have you got anything else?

 

2. Give me examples of how Pral's play feels scummy to you. Explain as much as you can.

 

 

While we're at it, please find me some examples where you've cracked under pressure when Town. 

 

 

 

 If you're Town, I feel I intuitively get you now. I can't fully trust that yet though, I haven't seen all of your content and I haven't seen you scum :P

 

 

 

 

*snipped*

*snipped*

1. It just felt right in a way. I just feel like Kaylee has more wolf equity with her talking of Zander in a way than others.

 

2. I really can't explain gut vibes well, you just have to believe me on them.  http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Ft5AzhkhYF4W I don't remember where it got rough but it was a horrible loss of temper for me.

 

 

 

Celeste: I'd like you to dig into this for me (blue parts).

 

Shad: What theory are you talking about here (purple part)? (I think this is what Cass wrote)

 

Cass: The part in red I've highlighted is really pingy to me. I don't know what to do with it. Please explain it and what your current read of Kaylee is. 

 

 

 

On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town. ?

 

Why does it ping for you? 

 

I can't explain it other than she makes me really uneasy whenever we play together. Even when I'm scum and know she's Town I find her frustratingly closed/hedgey/plausibly both alignments.  

 

Current take on her is in recent reads.

 

Okay, fair enough.

 

It pinged for me because of the 'always' and the 'impossible' bits. The waffling/hedging around of reads is a favorite behavior of certain people I play with, so I was wary.

 

I just saw your recent reads, so I'm updated on your POV of her.

[wish-tree]

My signature is breaking

 

Can anyone else see my signature, or is just broken for me?

[wish-tree]

WOO

 

IT WORKS AGAIN

[Kaylee]

*snipped*

 

-Nolder reading Pralaya as town based off of low content. It's difficult to understand why Nolder is reading Pralaya as town.

-I wanted to hear from Kaylee, who had the opposite POV about Pralaya, about Nolder's thoughts on Pralaya, because I didn't really like either Nolder or Kaylee's case on Pralaya. Neither case seems to be very fleshed out or substantial.

-Nolder wanting to add town to his village and not catch scum, just lynch people not in his village -- that wording is weird to me. May not seem like a big deal, but as an English major, a lot of my reads are based off of writing/phrasing analysis.

-Celeste still needs to bring up the Rustlemania examples. I co-modded for that game, so I can corroborate her story if she is correct about Nolder.

-I would lynch Kaylee before Cass. Cass has had a lot more content-rich posting, and seems to be actively trying to step up her game. I'm still giving Kaylee time, but I would like to see an increase in towning. Lainey I would not want to lynch at all, because Cass has more potential to be deep wolf in the way the scum team has been handling Lainey/Cass.

 

Zander attempts to pocket Lainey by doing the flirt-flirt-fluff thing that they usually do early game, but as someone else pointed out before, it didn't seem like Laine trusted him. As Celeste pointed out, Lainey was wary of him saying that they were mind-melding.

 

Cass, on the other hand, is called out for being paranoid within their first few interactions, and for acting 'not-town'. There's a fair amount of fluffing around, also mentioning Cory and things, but this kind of behavior, which seems like buddying, quickly drops away as Zander vaguely calls her out and then returns to reading Cass as town.

Blue: agree worth this actually.

 

Bold: Not sure what you're wanting. I've brought up points against those in suspicious of, given reads, no longer wish washy. If you're wanting big cases and wall of texts that happen. I've told pizza that when he cased me and said it in sign ups. If you have questions then ask. I'm trying to find the last scum. Not making excuses or avoiding the thread.

[Kaylee]

My signature is breaking

 

Can anyone else see my signature, or is just broken for me?

On mobile so no sorry.

[wish-tree]

 

*snipped*

 

-Nolder reading Pralaya as town based off of low content. It's difficult to understand why Nolder is reading Pralaya as town.

-I wanted to hear from Kaylee, who had the opposite POV about Pralaya, about Nolder's thoughts on Pralaya, because I didn't really like either Nolder or Kaylee's case on Pralaya. Neither case seems to be very fleshed out or substantial.

-Nolder wanting to add town to his village and not catch scum, just lynch people not in his village -- that wording is weird to me. May not seem like a big deal, but as an English major, a lot of my reads are based off of writing/phrasing analysis.

-Celeste still needs to bring up the Rustlemania examples. I co-modded for that game, so I can corroborate her story if she is correct about Nolder.

-I would lynch Kaylee before Cass. Cass has had a lot more content-rich posting, and seems to be actively trying to step up her game. I'm still giving Kaylee time, but I would like to see an increase in towning. Lainey I would not want to lynch at all, because Cass has more potential to be deep wolf in the way the scum team has been handling Lainey/Cass.

 

Zander attempts to pocket Lainey by doing the flirt-flirt-fluff thing that they usually do early game, but as someone else pointed out before, it didn't seem like Laine trusted him. As Celeste pointed out, Lainey was wary of him saying that they were mind-melding.

 

Cass, on the other hand, is called out for being paranoid within their first few interactions, and for acting 'not-town'. There's a fair amount of fluffing around, also mentioning Cory and things, but this kind of behavior, which seems like buddying, quickly drops away as Zander vaguely calls her out and then returns to reading Cass as town.

Blue: agree worth this actually.

 

Bold: Not sure what you're wanting. I've brought up points against those in suspicious of, given reads, no longer wish washy. If you're wanting big cases and wall of texts that happen. I've told pizza that when he cased me and said it in sign ups. If you have questions then ask. I'm trying to find the last scum. Not making excuses or avoiding the thread.

 

Got it.

I'd like to hear more about your Pralaya case. Could you reexamine irt what I said about Shad/Pralaya's conflicting theories on Cass?

[Kaylee]

I didn't make a case, just pointed things out. I agreed with that Shad had to say and disagreed with Pral. I'll have to look back at your post...give me a sec.