Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

@ Leelou, it's not bugging me, but I think your reason for voting is nullified, so it makes it interesting

 

But does that make my vote null?

I believe your vote is still being counted. But your reason for it, was what you thought Cory would do with it. Surely it would have been better to wait and see what he did with it. sometimes better to let it run to prove something. It looks worse for you for not letting that happen.

 

 

Again this sounds a lot like what you wanted to do, but none of the progression is there. If you were town and had these thoughts then why didn't you try to bait Cory? -_-

 

[Sili Quirrels]

I shouldn't say none. Maybe you're trying to turn your 'egging' into 'baiting'. I just don't believe it was baiting because you aren't self-aware enough in thread. Your focus is very narrow.

[Sili Quirrels]

[unvote]

[v]Talya[/v]

 

Possible buddying with cory. Verbal playing the other side of it.

[Sili Quirrels]

I shouldn't say none. Maybe you're trying to turn your 'egging' into 'baiting'. I just don't believe it was baiting because you aren't self-aware enough in thread. Your focus is very narrow.

I mean towns tend to be more honest even when they're secretive.

[Sili Quirrels]

I'm going to mq Talya's posts so ppl can discuss.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Ok, so never thought about that. But during that time wouldn't they have been able to talk about how they can town tell more as well as strategy.

 

Out of interest, what are the things you look for in sili, and what does he think they are. If there is a difference then you would be able to spot if he was trying to push what he thought you looked for?

 

If I go with first reaction on reading through first time , I thought Sili and Sooh's interaction looked staged, but I would have nothing to base that on, just a feeling and it was the start of the game, lol

 

 

 

 

Talya, what do you mean by "staged"?

 

 

Sounded false or set up. I just put it there, because so many times I've had instant thoughts and dismissed them only to be right. I'm not pushing it, because it was just a flash thought, but I put it there to remind myself I thought it. So there is no accusations, because it was a gut reaction, which could be so wrong. Also putting it there, may gauge other's opinions or reactions especially as Cory had mentioned about Sili.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't focus on anything. Also not really seeing that the mafia team would get the advantage of being able to talk for 4 days before the game starts. 

 

 

So what was the reason for voting for Cory? I don't think this really answers it

 

 

 

I have heard someone say in the last game about him not voting enough for his town meta, so interesting that you brought that up.

 

Thanks for that.

 

@ Leelou, if he was Mafia, why bring it up. Not that I think it makes him either alignment on that. I don't think Kiv would let them talk in their thread, but 4 days to think through you strategy with or without your team is something to bear in mind.

 

 

For Talya's eyes only, if you are legitimately curious about Sili, here's what I have in my notes through ~page 7:

 

Sili

 

Votes John Snow (#6)

- Votes Lenlo (#10) - is Sili being this reactionary a good sign? He seems to overplaying his meta; he’s self-aware that he forgets to vote a lot of as a wolf, so him making a concentrated effort to vote early and often feels more like he’s trying to play to what people expect of him as a villager and not actually genuinely browsing the thread and poking his head out.

“Bored of Lenlo” (#14), switches to Sooh.

- “I am hurt Tina” (#14), dismissive and trying to not look concerned. Not really buying this from Sili.

#20 Meh, not sure if this is villagery or wolfy from Sili.

+ Probing Sooh on vote on Tayla (#22)

This isn’t a terrible post (#27)

- Takes shot at easy target Ocicat (#71) - wolfy even if he’s right, huehuehuehue

“Most of the thread is town except Cory” (#114)

 

#22 is sort of interesting. Sili and I have played together a lot to the point where he knows what I expect of him in both roles and could figuratively think of some game plan in which he could try to potentially fool me because he knows I am always going to be looking hard at him.

 

If you want meta on him, his ranges are pretty balanced. Rather than give him a road map to any newer tells I've picked up I'll just be loud and annoying if he hits on anything I've marked down in my brain.

 

Right now, my level of confidence in my read (if I had to sort the 4-5 players I have reads on, he'd be one of the lower ones, but that's not worth much so early into a game). Some of his posts are okay, and I might just be going insane and overthinking things, but I think I should have a decent read on that slot by EOD.

 

 

I forget to vote a lot as a wolf? Really?

 

 

 

 

 

If he would be trying to use it as a way to incriminate someone, then why not?

Would it not have been better to see what he did from there, now he is unlikely to. So the point is lost.

 

 

 

 

 

If he would be trying to use it as a way to incriminate someone, then why not?

Would it not have been better to see what he did from there, now he is unlikely to. So the point is lost.

 

 

Why is this bugging you so much? 

 

 

 

@ Leelou, it's not bugging me, but I think your reason for voting is nullified, so it makes it interesting

 

 

 

 

??

 

If he's town, then he wouldn't want to bring it up so that it would be more effective to catch scum.

 

If he's scum, he would and should bring it up to gain town cred for the 'thought process'.

I take you point. But also bringing it up also makes others aware of it to look out for, as I said before. At the moment it is a null tell for me.

 

 

 

 

I believe your vote is still being counted. But your reason for it, was what you thought Cory would do with it. Surely it would have been better to wait and see what he did with it. sometimes better to let it run to prove something. It looks worse for you for not letting that happen.

 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

-I guess I care less though, so maybe.

 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

I think I missed playing in a game with you, Cory.

 

I'm less than enthused.

 

 

Your words hurt.

 

 

The reason I was concerned about Mafia preparation is because me and Key were given our Hydra QT link when we received our Role PM four days ago and had zero limitations on what we could talk about. I wanted to wait on Kivam to give me permission to say this because it's a grey area. So yes, I am sitting here at work, making sure my boss isn't walking about, having a dumb argument about how I could possibly know anything about off the thread communication and Leelou outright suggesting I am dumb enough to "slip" and reveal I am Mafia who decided to reveal that my team had pre-game chat.

 

So, yes, it got under my skin. I'll get over it, and keep working on my reads and do the best that I can this game in whatever situation I am thrown in. We know I have problems with lack of patience and that I can get momentarily rustled (especially if someone is trying), but again I will get over it and move on.

 

Just annoyed to the point where it's bleeding into RL, but that's definitely my problem so I'll shut up about it.

 

 

Verb - thoughts?

 

Is this a Town!Cory response?

 

Reading this, I hope that Lee and Verb lack of interacting for 3 pages may not be intentional on lee's part because my gut is saying talya and verbal make a better pair.

[Sili Quirrels]

like to clarify, for thread, i believe it's unnatural that lee and verbal don't talk for about 60 posts while talking on the same issue. seems like they should have crossed paths more, especially if verbal agreed with lee's judgement.

 

and if verbal agreed with lee's judgement, even if he didn't talk to lee about it, i think it would have made more sense from a town's pov to discuss the case more and pressure cory, but verbal more or less floats through it.

[Sili Quirrels]

so to sum: most of the fault lies with verbal for the awkwardness.

 

and talya get's to be fos'd because she tried to bait cory and then focused on tearing down lee's criticism of cory.

[Sili Quirrels]

Yeah. More I think about it hte more I found two scum and now it's up to the rest of you to pull your weight and lynch them for me.

[Kivam]

 

VOTE COUNT

John Snow (1) - Dice

Eldrick (1)  - Lenlo

Ocicat (1) -  Tina

Talya (2) - WishLESTE, Sili

Sili (1) - Eldrick

 

Not voting (11): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, Ocicat, Keyboose, John Snow, Mish

 

9 to lynch

 

A DEADLINE WILL BE SET ON MONDAY.  No Majority = No lynch

[Sili Quirrels]

so to sum: most of the fault lies with verbal for the awkwardness.

 

and talya get's to be fos'd because she tried to bait cory and then focused on tearing down lee's criticism of cory.

Want to add to this because there are actually two scenarios that come to mind.

 

a. Tallya was baiting cory into voting sooh or I with her first post in that mq at the top of this page. In his scenario, why distract from lee's criticism of cory if they were thinking along the same lines? That doesn't seem like a conversation that should have gone on for several pages.

b. Talya was deflecting attention. In this scenario her slander had no back bone - scummy (reeks of trying to lead the conversation) - and while she criticizes lee for her approach, and not the idea behind it, she forgets that she tried to incriminate me with her slander. Perhaps her slander was genuine? But my point is Talya did not react to  Lee's criticism of Cory in a way that demonstrates self-awareness. It's possible Cory was aiming to incriminate someone therefore Lee's argument had merit. Surely Talya would not have posted that post if she had come to the same conclusion as Lee, unless it was to bait Cory into a bad position, therefore  her reaction to the idea should not have been to criticize the approach.

[Sili Quirrels]

tl;dr

 

Talya from page 10-13 lacks self-awareness and critical thinking skills villagers tend to demonstrate. When Talya confronted the idea Cory presented in thread, Talya went with the flow, and when Talya confronted Lee's counter-point, she critically deconstructed Lee's approach.

[Sili Quirrels]

These two very different behaviors to similar events is inconsistent and tells me she is scum. Or in my opinion anyway. Part of me is hoping I found scum in Talya, therefore I think I might be biased. Third party input is needed.

[Sili Quirrels]

VOTE COUNT

John Snow (1) - Dice

Eldrick (1)  - Lenlo

Ocicat (1) -  Tina

Talya (2) - WishLESTE, Sili

Mish (1) - Sili

Sili (1) - Eldrick

 

Not voting (11): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, Ocicat, Keyboose, John Snow, Mish

 

9 to lynch

 

A DEADLINE WILL BE SET ON MONDAY.  No Majority = No lynch

My vote power is being counted twice.

[Cory Caboose]

Sili fwiw

 

I don't think Talya is a better vote than Verbal himself

 

But are we that brave?

[Kivam]

 

VOTE COUNT

John Snow (1) - Dice

Eldrick (1)  - Lenlo

Ocicat (1) -  Tina

Talya (2) - WishLESTE, Sili

Mish (1) - Sili

Sili (1) - Eldrick

 

Not voting (11): Songstress, Leelou, Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, Talya, Sooh, Ocicat, Keyboose, John Snow, Mish

 

9 to lynch

 

A DEADLINE WILL BE SET ON MONDAY.  No Majority = No lynch

My vote power is being counted twice.

 

fixed

[Sili Quirrels]

Sili fwiw

 

I don't think Talya is a better vote than Verbal himself

 

But are we that brave?

 I 'think there is more reason to vote Talya but I will go with thread consensus if it's one of those two.

 

I never put Verbal on a pedestal so I have no issue taking him down.

[Cory Caboose]

I think the way he was prodding Leelou to continue and then trying to make it into something and then immediately backtracking with the "oh frustrated Cory is town" might have been him trying to stoke the flames on the thread and getting caught with his pants down afterward

 

His content is low since the game started on Friday and he's gone weekends but his posts from that day are also generally unimpressive and nothing that makes me think he's a villager

 

What I have in my notes if you are curious:

 

 

Shats fired @ Sili (#144)

- Is goading Leelou to press on her push (#204)

(#221) seems amused about push @ me

- (#225) vomit

(#278) meh, seems like he’s “trying” too hard to have good tone. Loki equity!!!

 

Talya at least has a few things I marked as positive, more of a mixed bag (I thought #234, #251 and #258 were all more likely to come from here as a villager than as a wolf, though there have been times she's struggled to sound genuine.

 

[Ocicat]

Ok, I see a decent case, and I'm getting bored. Vote: Talya​, ​​although anyone on Sili's list is fair game​.

[Lenlo]

Id be ok with a Verb lynch for the day, with his weak content, but we should give him a day or so once the week has started to actually post since he isnt around during weekends. Im eager to see what he thinks about everything that has gone down over the weekend.

[Sili Quirrels]

I think 204 is an example of Verbal floating. It looks like he was trying to appear helpful.

 

But goading? Likely Lee would have gone at you regardless.

 

I agree about 225.

[Cory Caboose]

Well of course Lee would have gone at me regardless

 

That doesn't change Verbal just sort of pushing a small amount of weight behind it

 

And he was more serious about pushing my "slip" than Leelou was afaict, as Leelou seemed ready to back off when she got the reaction she was looking for whereas Verbal started the whole "Well if he's town he wouldn't say anything but if he was a wolf he would say it to try and look town" BS that was actually trying to add real credence - before immediately backing off when Leelou showed her hand

[Cory Caboose]

Ok, I see a decent case, and I'm getting bored. Vote: Talya​, ​​although anyone on Sili's list is fair game​.

 

Meh