[Basic]: Be Nice Mafia

[Sili Quirrels]

it might also get me modkilled >.>

 

i feel like i didn't word this as well as i could have so (ebwp):
 

 

@tress, i'll retract it. i hadn't read your list yet and reading in context might have changed my reaction. i'm too tired to tell to be frank, and i don't even know if it would have mattered in the end if i'm overreacting to every other post.

 

the reason i felt it was sketchy is i don't like people defending jmm. my gut finds it irksome, probably because i don't see a reason to keep him around and nothing here is reminiscent for me of his content in your game (no snark or stubbornness in this game). i keep thinking just one or two posts more, to get the right response and it never comes,  there's no point in trying.

-it's a better explanation now. it comes down to my thinking 'why would anyone want to lynch me instead of this other far scummier player who isn't contributing anything'. but you know i kind of read things out of sequence since i was on mobile and in the cold... so ya. probably nothing. maybe something.

 

don't know how someone could not want to lynch jmm over me but i'm really biased. haha. at least you made a readslist. *shrugs to self*.

[Cass]

Cass, I agree with the caveat that quality is subjective.

 

The majority of things you've posted are within his town range or at least not outside it as far as I can tell, the fact that he's engaging with the thread (and the amount he's doing so) is outside of the mafia range I have for him (although I don't think the game I'm basing that off is necessarily a good analogue for his mafia game). You've pointed out a few things that I view as mafia indicative, especially for tonal players, I don't have time now, but when I'm back later I'll grab them. I wanted to last night, but lol internet :/

 

Overall I'm leaning town, especially given his more recent posting, but I don't have a huge amount of confidence in the read yet.

 

I'm out for the day on a field trip, but I'll be back before deadline and will vote, I'll be musing throughout the day :)

 

Ok :) I don't necessarily agree (or have enough of my own 'meta' on Sili to compare) but I can follow the logic of your post easy enough, so thanks for explaining clearly *tentative smile* 

 

The stuff in bold is stuff that makes me nervous - both on the possibility that if your current 'lean' is right then I'm so completely wrong and for the possibility that if I'm right I can't verify how much of this opinion is true and how much of it is cover. This game does my head in!! *g*

(I still love it!)

 

 

Actually, I understand you're out, but if you get the chance before EoD - what Town and mafia ranges do you have for Sili?

[Cass]

it might also get me modkilled >.>

 

i feel like i didn't word this as well as i could have so (ebwp):

 

 

@tress, i'll retract it. i hadn't read your list yet and reading in context might have changed my reaction. i'm too tired to tell to be frank, and i don't even know if it would have mattered in the end if i'm overreacting to every other post.

 

the reason i felt it was sketchy is i don't like people defending jmm. my gut finds it irksome, probably because i don't see a reason to keep him around and nothing here is reminiscent for me of his content in your game (no snark or stubbornness in this game). i keep thinking just one or two posts more, to get the right response and it never comes,  there's no point in trying.

-it's a better explanation now. it comes down to my thinking 'why would anyone want to lynch me instead of this other far scummier player who isn't contributing anything'. but you know i kind of read things out of sequence since i was on mobile and in the cold... so ya. probably nothing. maybe something.

 

don't know how someone could not want to lynch jmm over me but i'm really biased. haha. at least you made a readslist. *shrugs to self*.

 

Sili, I'm not done yet but I'm putting together my thoughts on jmm. I don't think it's gonna be enough to get you off the hook (for me) but I feel bad for your 'frustration'. Trying to consider what you're saying/other possibilities.

[Sili Quirrels]

meh, it's fine. it'll be a pain responding to your wots in detail but i respect the effort you put in.

 

 

i am working on replying to the 6 points right now and trying to remember exactly when i said clov was a villager.  i certainly don't push him very hard.

[Sili Quirrels]

don't feel guilty when i flip town btw. tunneling happens. i tunneled a lot of people i didn't know how to read too.

[Thane Vakarian]

sorry guys, had to take care of the youngest daughter. Had to be picked up from the daycare to go to the doctor. Fever, minor airway infection, but it's working for now. Will catch up now!

[Sili Quirrels]

1. Like I said in the generalised post, I'm glad you answered (and reading since that point, glad you have continued to interact) but I still feel like it took a lot to get you to 'explain' and that seems wilfy. I'll happily agree that you've been active in the thread since the beginning, but that alone doesn't automatically make you Town, and it's not quite the same as having a 'good' engagement - at least not to me...

 

2. Ok, cheers for explaining.

 

3. You felt his 'soft nudge was unwarranted given that it was page 1' and yet you voted BFG on Page 1 because of an emoticon. I mentioned before that I would have been ok to take that vote as a joke vote except you gave a 'proper' explanation when you unvoted and that seemed strange. The rest of your answer here feels like WIFOM. Except for the part where you say you'd approach it differently, what are you getting at there?

 

4. My explanation of 'twice' is that IMO you said you thought he was a wolf/pushed him for potentially being so here and here. I said you pushed him twice, not that you pushed him for two different things. The 'at least' is a disclaimer in case I missed something. WIFOM again for the 'I would have needed to adjust my reads three times... null-> scum -> town/null -> scum' thing. I never said anything like that and your null->scum->town thing could equally have been you backing off as a wolf because you didn't think your argument was going well/that you were going to get anywhere. 

 

5. I was wondering the same question (how many wolves), and asking whether it was one or two makes perfect sense to me, as it's highly unlikely to be anything else. I don't see this as wolfish, and I don't think that the 'probably' sounds overly out of place. I don't personally like jmm's tone or lack of as it makes him hard for me to read (and I find that suspicious in itself), but I don't think he's actually done anything suspicious yet. Because I don't see it as overly suspicious, I do find you jumping on this question somewhat opportunistic and therefore potentially wolfy. The point about the tunneling you when you're scum shouldn't be significant to him is a good one though - I'm waiting with interest to see his response.

 

6. I still don't understand your initial logic here (your interactions were 'likely v/v violence', but you're 'spewed' clear if he is Scum), and I can't confirm that you rarely engage/interact with your wolfpack / don't have a knack for it. I feel like you gave me fluff in answer for this question and then pointed your finger at Clov. The logic gap is/was a weak-to-null point for me, but not actually answering the question pings a little stronger.

 

1. It didn't take a lot ya know? I answered after you pointed them out to me, and all at once, not in bits and drabs. Yes, answering your questions was not my first priority, but I didn't dedicate space to not answering them either. There's nothing fishy here.

2. Yep.

3. Bfg wasn't on my mind when I unvoted. Just clov. I never offered an explanation for my first vote.

 

wifom? you think there needs to be a good reason page 1 for any sort of read?

 

i would add a pound of logic since it was kind of flaccid in retrospect. reaction tests require traction.

 

4. =/ when you say i pushed him twice it implies a certain amount of sustained conviction or paranoia on my part.

 

 

your null->scum->town thing could equally have been you backing off as a wolf because you didn't think your argument was going well/that you were going to get anywhere.

 

 

No it isn't. I don't build a case on clov to persuade anyone, and I don't wait on anyone to refute nonexistent arguments before i change my mind either.

 

(turns out i was too lazy to doublecheck this factoid but it's probably true considering my alignment)

 

5. i almost always catch a wolf through their opening content: fnord, killer, cormag, heathcliff, lycan. i think there's a method to my madness, and i don't think it's wolfy for me to find the scummiest op and build a case for it.

 

6. you have a strange opinion on what constitutes a fos. acknowledging a possibility isn't the same as voicing an opinion, right? you could be scum, but it doesn't mean you're likely to have randed it.

 

all you need to do to confirm is look at my history.

 

 

 

[Thane Vakarian]

i'm going for a hunch:

 

[v] jmm [/v]

Sili is feeling somewhat better for me, trying to explain and i see a hint of frustration which i saw him do as town before. Cass is putting out a lot of work, which indicates good Town Cass to me. Not feeling overly disturbed by either BFG, Yates or Tress...town to null with a paranoi edge to possible wolf among them. Dunno what to make of Clov.... null to scum. That's what i get.

[Sili Quirrels]

I still don't see how that alone would convince you I was Town, and I don't like the 'Eh' being used like you're brushing the suspicion of a TMI slip off.

What do you mean by 'heteroclectic'? (It's not necessarily relevant, but Google hasn't helped).

 

first - word i meant is spelled heteroclitic

 

second - i've explained my interpretation more than once. the comfort level intoned in your op was very villagery for a first time wolf. eventually explaining this get's old because what more can i say lol? I'm good at op reads, or i have been, and i trust my instincts.

 

third - maybe i initially read jmm as town because he actually is. then on review i changed it because i needed a new scum lean.

 

this thought scares me.

[jmm]

The more I read back through this thread, the more I don't want to lynch Sili.  My impression each time I read through is more and more not-scum.  If he flips scum, I will tip my hat to him, but I doubt he will.  However, those of you with suspicions on him are justified; I can see where you're coming from, but I can't say I agree. 

[jmm]

I'm going to say this once:

You will not be happy with the result if you lynch me. 

[Sili Quirrels]

you're so confusing jmm. should i be townreading you? i dunno.

[Thane Vakarian]

jmm, then tell us this: Who should we lynch? Deadline is soon, and i'm willing to listen

[Sili Quirrels]

should i yolo this away from jmm because of tone.

 

maybe.

[jmm]

you're so confusing jmm. should i be townreading you? i dunno.

By my play style?  Probably not.  

[Sili Quirrels]

T_T

[Sili Quirrels]

i feel like a dingus

[Sili Quirrels]

kay, im gonna yolo.

 

thane cfd.

 

[v]thane[/v]

 

running with it.

[Thane Vakarian]

lol, really? Doing this again? I'll say it once, because, well, it wouldn't be me otherwise:

 

you know what the result is on a Thane CFD....

[Sili Quirrels]

but what if we find a golden chestnut in a thistle bush? hmm

[jmm]

jmm, then tell us this: Who should we lynch? Deadline is soon, and i'm willing to listen

I'm leaning towards the no-lynch crowd for logical reasons.  

 

However, force me to make a lynch, and I'm going back to my list of current mafia suspects:

 

• Cass
• Tress
• Yates

 

Cass initially topped my list as far as suspicion went, but something does not feel right any more.  It probably has to do with a significant amount of more experienced people putting a good word in for her current play.  I would feel more comfortable lynching one of the other two.  I am pretty confident I've got one in those two, for overall tonal reasons and most of their post content has been rather neutral so far.  

[Sili Quirrels]

out of mild curiosity, why have you been largely absent until now?

[Thane Vakarian]

Who is that to Sili, jmm or me?

[Sili Quirrels]

jmm of course

[jmm]

Work and some evening activities gets me during the week, but trust me when I've said I've read every post multiple times.  I lurk a lot, and tend not to make too many posts unless someone directly asks a question or if I feel I've got something rather important to share.  I do throw out my thoughts at some point to show I'm actually reading, because I understand this is a hands-on game, so I try to put some out there instead of just lurking all the time.