[Basic/Standard] A Wind in the Door Mafia - GAME OVER, TOWN WINS

[csarmi]

So... One of them is lying. I am half dead and it's 1am so i shall thonk about this tomorrow.

 

I would like to see a comprehensive and clear full claim and explanations from both.

[monstrman]

jmm/sili/lenlo?

[csarmi]

What about lynching neither? And have them post their peeks tomorrow?

 

We just need a safe lynch until then.

 

Looking at ya Tommy.

[csarmi]

AnywY i really am gonna sleep.

[jmm]

What about lynching neither? And have them post their peeks tomorrow?

 

We just need a safe lynch until then.

 

Looking at ya Tommy.

 

Lynch Sili first, then Sleeper if we have to.  At worst, we get 1/2 mafia, at best we get 1/1.  It's the closest thing we have to a guarantee.  

[csarmi]

If we lynch neither, mafia is in a bind. They can't kill the true cop cause that shows us the way. If they have no RB they can't even block them.

 

Their NK is gonna be much harder to get through anyway cause doc has two fewer targets to protect from.

 

It is only a problem if we mislynch... But we do know of a lynch that is neutral at worst so.

[jmm]

Seeing as we've already mislynched once… well… 

[jmm]

Also, a mafia claiming cop this early is a dead mafia, so I am inclined to believe the initial cop claim is true.  Sili's counter claim seems pretty much forced (what else is he going to say?) and half-hearted at best.  

[Sili Quirrels]

It's possible sleeper claimed because he knew I was the cop.

 

If we lynch neither, mafia is in a bind. They can't kill the true cop cause that shows us the way. If they have no RB they can't even block them.

Their NK is gonna be much harder to get through anyway cause doc has two fewer targets to protect from.

It is only a problem if we mislynch... But we do know of a lynch that is neutral at worst so.

That is the worst idea ever and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying it.  There is no world where I survive to tomorrow to peek another villager/wolf, and if I were really scum you'd just be giving me an opportunity to snag an extra mislynch or two for the trouble until I had to kill the cop.

 

Like what are you even doing - you lynch me or sleeps today! There is no other option.

[Sili Quirrels]

Like, I don't know. Maybe it's related to sleep's pr? Could be if I'm lynched something bad happens, so he pushed it and claiming cop must have been a last resort.

[monstrman]

Sili idk.

 

I'm still feeling lynch you.

 

Walk me through a random progression of yours and I might vote sleeper hoya

[Yates]

Anyway I'm going to a choral performance and listening to some metal all the way there, I'll be back tonight.

In the grand scheme of things? Pretty sure I won. John Oliver was hilarious.

[Yates]

Counter claim was legit weak, Sili.

[Yates]

kay, i'm charles wallace. don't mislynch me please.

 

 

But no, for reals, i'm actually mags. sleeps just preemptively claimed and i have no chance to cc him without it looking awkward.

So, what you want us to believe is that Sleeper fake claimed Cop [your actual role] AND just happened to know your character name. Yes?

 

Also, why did you investigate Tina?

[csarmi]

Tina investigation is the worst part IMO.

 

Who investigates a consensus townie?

 

@Yates - Please tell me that I didn't go mad and the technically correct play here is to lynch outside the claimants (unless absolutely sure which one is lying ofc).

[monstrman]

The technically correct play is to lynch inside the claims.

 

We lynch a wolf that way.

 

jmm won villager points for pointing this out earlier.

[Yates]

@Yates - Please tell me that I didn't go mad and the technically correct play here is to lynch outside the claimants (unless absolutely sure which one is lying ofc).

Your play has merit that some people aren't seeing, that's for sure.

 

Then scum are in a situation where they have to decide if they want to kill the REAL cop and out the fraud OR let the real cop live to investigate another day...

 

I kind of like it. Just not sure we have a solid target regardless of which is scum. Err?

[Sili Quirrels]

Sili idk.

 

I'm still feeling lynch you.

 

Walk me through a random progression of yours and I might vote sleeper hoya

 

Yeah sure. I thought a lot of tina's reads and suggestions were bad, but everyone said it was fine, so I decided to wait on it until I could investigate her alignment. There would have been a lot of information had she sent back a scum result.

 

 

kay, i'm charles wallace. don't mislynch me please.

 

 

But no, for reals, i'm actually mags. sleeps just preemptively claimed and i have no chance to cc him without it looking awkward.

So, what you want us to believe is that Sleeper fake claimed Cop [your actual role] AND just happened to know your character name. Yes?

 

Also, why did you investigate Tina?

 

I flashed through the wiki page:

 

 

1. In the course of the story Meg also learns to "kythe" with Calvin, Proginoskes, and others, communing with them essentially by "telepathy".

 

2. Meg learns to love and appreciate Jenkins, however, when she is given the task of "Naming" him and distinguishing between the principal and his Ecthroi doppelgangers.

 

[Sili Quirrels]

Counter claim was legit weak, Sili.

Sleepah's good and I wasn't around. Sue me.

 

...

 

get it.

[Yates]

What do you think of Csarmi's proposal to let you both live so we don't accidentally mislynch the cop?

 

Only down side is neither one of you will be protected tonight. Probably.

[csarmi]

If we lynch inside and get it right the cop lives, no mislynch happens and the scum have to do something about the cop. If they have no roleblocker then we get a follow the cop situation if we also have a doc.

 

If we lynch inside and get it wrong we will have mislynched the cop. Potential vigs get a clear target and we have an automatic lynch tomorrow. Scum can kill whoever they want.

 

If we lynch outside then scum can solve our problems by killing the real cop which is strictly better for us than the mislynch (calculate why) or they can shoot outside and we face the same situation tomorrow, probably (but not surely) with extra info.

 

+++

 

Tldr.

 

Lynching inside is good if we are really sure.

Lynching outside is good if we aren't sure and we get a good lynch proposition (right now I see none better than the number-neutral Tom lynch which appeals to me BTW).

[csarmi]

BTW scum is likely to have good fake claims based on the doppelganger stuff. I tend to believe that Charles Wallace can't be fake.

[Sleeper Service]

Are you guys legit serious that there's even anything to think about regarding these two claims? His claim is the worst of all time and was preceded by him saying forget it, his claim is always gonna be wolfy so JUST LYNCH HIM TO GET HIM OUT OF THIS TERRIBLE SITUATION.

 

What planet are we on where he hasn't been maj'd yet, let alone - and this is worse - where anyone is puzzling over what to do here? He's a wolf, he will always flip wolf, his claim is never real, and salami is completely absurd.

[Sleeper Service]

How can anyone who has ever played mafia not be SURE here? Serious question, I'd like to know.

[csarmi]

We don't have your role PM.