[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[Sili Quirrels]

 

And, for that matter, does it bother you that NONE of the people you have cleared as villagers is voting the person you are voting in this spot?

I'm ok with a vote against Sili

 

Dice, in what ways are Thane and Nyn "acting according to their meta as town"?  Be as specific as possible.

 

It's not even that I disagree with those reads, but I want your thought processes here.  If you have time to bitch at someone about CFDs, you have time to articulate your thoughts. Because right now, I think you're just making stuff random lists.

 

Hopefully you can understand why "I'm going to lynch this other person because (magic unicorns)" is not something I'm going to lend any credibility whatsoever to.

I would like to hear these answers too

 

 

Pretty sure we're about to lynch a townie btw

 

You know, in case anyone cares about that sort of thing

 

Interesting.  Sili is not a townie.  That's a very strong statement from a slot that has not interacted much with Sili apart from what could be categorized as distancing and soft defending, though.

 

What makes you think Sili is town?  And don't mention DPR in your answer.

 

And this

 

I would TOTALLY be fine with letting someone get a pass for saying they wanna lynch someone because of magic unicorns

 

 

Especially in my next game -

*noted*

 

The funny thing is I can't even really articulate a single reason why Sili is an objectively bad lynch; it just feels wrong in this moment.

ME TOO! But  think I'm nearly there.

 

 

That post is entirely alignment-neutral.

 

Also, love how you couldn't resist mentioning DPR.  As Yates has already pointed out, however, the opinions on seer cover this game seem more to be related to previous experience than alignment.

 

If you think that post is alignment-neutral, you know absolute jack shit about tone reading

 

And no, previous experience doesn't really have ANY relevance here

 

DPR kept on about the seer cover thing more than almost anyone else in the game

 

Yet continuously kept fos'ing the people who were trying to explain/discuss it earlier

 

Sili pointed this out in a VERY townline manner

 

Again, if you can't see that, then you're just being obtuse and unwilling to admit you're way off this game

 

BINGO! The reason Sili feels wrong to me is because - if DPR is Scum (which I think he is) Then the whole seer cover debate debacle thing with Yates .... I feel like Yates may have been set up by Sili, playing like Town, Scumming alongside DPR...

 

 

there is too much tinfoil in you still.

[hazelkrs1]

Earlier DPR challenged someone (think it was Cass) to vote to make her stance known

 

>>>>>>not even voting at EOD

 

Just sayin. Y'all screwed the pooch in not lynching that scummer today

[WWWwombat]

In conclusion:

 

 

but it was pro-town.

[Cass]

Des, if you're suspicious of DPR, then you should be suspicious of Sili too.... and by my clock you have less than 3 mins to figure that out so that you're not entirely annoyed with the lynch all night...

[Sili Quirrels]

Ok, guys so, the reason there was little action right at EOD is because the Cromwell Approval implies extreme certainty, possibly to the point of a Seer softclaim.  So anyone who was in on it (town or scum) would probably not have gone against me after that.  The fact that not many people reacted to it means that we could possibly have an oldbie player on the mafia team.  Either that or Sili is a wolf and they pissed their pants once I launched my pseudo-CFD on him.

 

As for the people who did react, Stelio's reaction was pretty townish imo.  Yates's was slightly townish but had a hint of displeasure, so that could be either TMI or being mad at not getting DPR lynched.  Des was pretty wolfy as he started defending Sili a lot harder than he had previously and talking about how I let "scum!DPR" off the hook when, if he were town, he probably should've considered alternative possibilities.  If Sili flips town or SK, Des looks pretty bad imo.  That being said, I don't think Des would have pushed a mislynch on DPR this hard as a wolf, so I think wolf!Des and town!DPR is a very unlikely combo.  I think they are either town/town or DPR is a wolf.

 

Sheeping me is null.  Mafia and town would both have had reason to.

 

As for why Sili, I thought he was a superior info lynch to either DPR or Pral.  I also thought he was more likely to flip scum than DPR.  Sili's play has been internally inconsistent both logically and emotionally and reads as self-conscious.  He has also had sketchy interactions with Nyn, Arsis/Pral, Darthe, Thane, AJ, Leelou, Deslami, and myself.  All of those occur before p. 22.

 

Sili was the best lynch today.  We would have learned almost nothing from town flips for Pral and DPR.  I personally hope he flips SK, as that would eliminate an anti-town kill and give us good info on the wolves imo.

you're being silly.

 

i hope town doesn't let you off the hook for your inane, misrepresenting, backwards logic.

[hazelkrs1]

Ok, guys so, the reason there was little action right at EOD is because the Cromwell Approval implies extreme certainty, possibly to the point of a Seer softclaim. So anyone who was in on it (town or scum) would probably not have gone against me after that. The fact that not many people reacted to it means that we could possibly have an oldbie player on the mafia team. Either that or Sili is a wolf and they pissed their pants once I launched my pseudo-CFD on him.

 

As for the people who did react, Stelio's reaction was pretty townish imo. Yates's was slightly townish but had a hint of displeasure, so that could be either TMI or being mad at not getting DPR lynched. Des was pretty wolfy as he started defending Sili a lot harder than he had previously and talking about how I let "scum!DPR" off the hook when, if he were town, he probably should've considered alternative possibilities. If Sili flips town or SK, Des looks pretty bad imo. That being said, I don't think Des would have pushed a mislynch on DPR this hard as a wolf, so I think wolf!Des and town!DPR is a very unlikely combo. I think they are either town/town or DPR is a wolf.

 

Sheeping me is null. Mafia and town would both have had reason to.

 

As for why Sili, I thought he was a superior info lynch to either DPR or Pral. I also thought he was more likely to flip scum than DPR. Sili's play has been internally inconsistent both logically and emotionally and reads as self-conscious. He has also had sketchy interactions with Nyn, Arsis/Pral, Darthe, Thane, AJ, Leelou, Deslami, and myself. All of those occur before p. 22.

 

Sili was the best lynch today. We would have learned almost nothing from town flips for Pral and DPR. I personally hope he flips SK, as that would eliminate an anti-town kill and give us good info on the wolves imo.

Yeah you're a dolt

 

And everyone and their mama knew you were pulling this Cromwell thing out your ass

 

Great job collecting "reactions"

[hazelkrs1]

If Salami and I die tonight, our N0 viewing was Stelio- town

[Tommyrod]

IT IS NIGHT

 

DO NOT POST

[Tommyrod]

Final Vote Count D1.29

Sili (8): Kivam [#362], Krak [#1026], Wombat [#1213], Verbarm [#1239], AJ [#1779], Leelou [#1781], Diceman [#1799], Tress [#1823]
Pral (6): Nyn [#691], Yates [#698], Sili [#700], Thane [#1299], Stelio [#1857], Deslami [#1870]
Dice (1): Darthe [#1685]
DPR (1): Cass [#1566]

Unvote (1): Pral [#1323]

Not Voting (3): DPR, Hallia, Rags

At the gallows: Sili
 

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Sili has been lynched.

Writeup incoming.

[Tommyrod]

"I used to be exhausted constantly. I was burning the candle at both ends, clocking massive days with no breaks and going home so stressed out that I was lucky to catch a few hours of sleep per night. There just didn’t seem to be enough time in my life.
 
Lately, though, I’ve been relaxed, alert, and getting work done faster than ever before. Care to know how I did it? Put simply, I started sleeping in an amazing new way.
 
Basically, I break up my week into 15 individual 11-hour periods called sleep blocks. The idea is to use one sleep block to “save up” sleep so that you can “spend” it in another sleep block. That’s called pre-charging, and it’s the key to the whole system.
 
For instance, I’ll get four hours of sleep in during my Monday morning sleep block, which counts toward my Tuesday afternoon total. On Monday evening, I get in a couple hours for Wednesday. On Tuesday night, I go to sleep for Thursday, which takes me through to Wednesday evening, so that by the time Thursday rolls around, my body is 100 percent equalized and primed for the next sleep block.
 
The fact is, human beings just didn’t evolve to sleep eight hours at a time. They evolved to do something like this sleep block system I now swear by.
 
After work on Thursday, I go home right away and do 10-minute rest increments—10 minutes asleep, 10 minutes awake—on and off for 14 hours. Now, this sleep doesn’t officially “count” toward any block. In the system, it’s actually called independent sleep. But it’s crucial, because when I wake up, it’s Monday again. Not the next Monday. The previous Monday. All the work I did that week? Never happened. But do I feel rested? Very.
I know it sounds complicated, but after trying the system out for three weeks, I literally will not consider going back. It has saved my life.
 

...human beings just didn’t evolve to sleep eight hours at a time. They evolved to do something like this sleep block system I now swear by.

On Friday, that’s my double-day. There’s two of me then. I’m awake on Friday, but I’m also at home, sleeping for Wednesday. And just to be completely clear: If it’s your Wednesday, it’s my last Wednesday, sleeping for Tuesday. I’m writing this during my Friday morning, but in three hours I’ll be wide awake in the middle of the night, three Saturdays from now.

Do I recommend the system for anyone? Absolutely. It’s a matter of waking up at 11 on Thursday having “saved up” your Friday sleep on the previous Thursday. Don’t sleep in too long, though, or you risk running into your Tuesday self, who is trying to “eliminate” you in order to “balance the sleep equation.” The longer you can avoid your Tuesday self, the better. Twelve hours later, Monday’s here, and you’re already starting to see big-time gains in alertness.

At my work, the results have been immediate. My creativity has increased. I’m seeing things faster, if that makes sense. My legs have started walking on their own, my typing speed has tripled, and I’ve been taking on new projects left and right. Just yesterday (i.e., Thursday/Monday), my boss said he was proud of me. He told me that I work harder than anyone else at the company, including his own son.

It’s not so weird, you know. Ben Franklin did the exact same schedule at the height of his career. In modern-day Pakistan, they sleep 90 times a day, 90 seconds at a time. The 24-hour day is an ideology, plain and simple. Why not a 10-hour day or a two-hour day? Why not a 100-hour day? There’s no logical reason for it other than convention, which is hardly a reason at all.

So, instead of accepting a system that bows to society’s will, I chose one that boosted my output efficiency while putting me back in touch with real, natural sleep, the way our ancestors would have done it if they were still alive."
 
--Sili Quirrels
 

Sili Quirrels has been lynched.

He was:

A Vanilla Villager.

 
 

IT IS NIGHT 1!

THREAD IS LOCKED UNTIL DAY.

SUBMIT OR FORFEIT YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS BY 6:50 AM EST (~9 HOURS FROM NOW).

[Tommyrod]

N1 End

 

 

Leelou was fired from a cannon.

She was:

 

A Vanilla Villager.

 

 

 

 

Stelio Kontos shouldn't have been walking near that vat of acid.

He was:

 

A Village Jailkeeper.

 

 

 

 

Yates was thrown off a cliff.

He was:

A Wolf Godfather.

 

 

 

 

 

IT IS DAY 2!

 

YOU MAY POST!

 

[Kivam]

Wow, hero shot from the Vig or we owe the SK a debt of gratitude.  Game just took a very townie turn. 

[Thane Vakarian]

whoever targeted Yates, well done!

 

Leelou and Stelio....they shall be missed

[Thane Vakarian]

so, if i put together the flips, this is what we're at:

 

Andrej
Cass (Mentored by manbat)
Darthe
Despot / csarmi Hydra
dicetosser1
DreadPirateRoberts
Hallia
Kivam
Krakalakachkn
Leelou Vanilla Villager
Nynaeve (Mentored by Clovdyx)

 

Arsis Pralaya
Sili Quirrels Vanilla Villager
Stelio Kontos  Village Jailkeeper
Thane Vakarian
TheRagnarok
Tress
Verbal32 / Barmacral Hydra
WWWwombat
Yates.  Wolf (Godfather OR 1x Bulletproof)

 

[Kivam]

Did a lot of rereading last night - tried recapping but had to collapse in the middle of page 41.  Here's the latest, with Sili, Leelou, and Stelio blued out, and Yates in red (just added the color).

 

RECAP (writing these at night, when you spammers can't add as I go, for posting once the thread reopens. If I'm dead in the morning and this was a waste, I will scream):

 

Page 38:  Des agrees with me that Verb was defending Sili.  Andrej disagrees, finds my reason for voting Sili  ridiculous (which is true at the outset), claims Verb can "dislike the reasoning behind a vote on a player which can still be independent of his view of that player."  This is true, but as Des points out, irrelevant to whether Verb and Andrej were defending Sili from attack.  This is a null tell for now, since both scum (buddying/white knighting) and town (genuinely disagreeing with my reasoning) have reason to do that, but it's worth noting for consideration with more information later.  Rags appears, says he'll start participating after a Marlfox lynch. (Playing 2 games at once is insane).  Krak puts in some content - too many thoughts on too many players to recap here.  Go read them, because his reaction to Thane and Leelou seems forced.  I don’t buy Verb’s claim that there were better reasons to vote Sili.  Sili defends his pressureless “pressure” vote by saying he was being lazy; even knowing he’s town now, I can’t read that post and not want to lynch him.  Andrej defends himself from me, it’s a meh defense (shifting focus is shifting focus, as I said later) but consistent with his apparent level of play overall, per an uncontradicted Wombat.  Looked at in this light, I’m starting to be more ok with Andrej.  And then he goes full OMGUS.  Scum or poor town play, right there, with general WhoIs info saying poor play is very much a possibility.  All in all, gotta call it a null tell.  How did I miss this? Des thinks Sili may have more likely “slipped as scum than as a town vig”.  This is exactly the type of support for a poor argument I was looking for.  Des moves up the rankings a bit – but it’s hard to square with his later stances.  Slight scum lean to this play, but “poor townie” overall? I can go with that.  Des calls out Andrej for OMGUS (+1).  Yates can’t tell what Des, Andrej and I are arguing about.  Don’t buy that for a second (-1). 

 

Page 39: Holy Hell, it’s Hallia!  Some content before she goes dark again.  Calls out an interplay between Thane and Sili as “forced”; knowing Sili is town, this read goes away completely since there’s no chance it’s scum distancing.  She has a town vibe on Leelou from her “Sup” post.  (Seriously? We’re back to that?).  Ugh. Don’t like Hallia here at all, she needs some serious pressure today.  Mind melds with Andrej, more discussion of seer cover (I’m with Wes on this one; for the love of Pete, stop!).  Likes Barm, not so much Krak, questions Nyn and Des.  Darthe sees Nyn as town, wonders why Des thinks I and Barm are town.  “Misses” that Playa replaced Arsis, argues for a clean slate.  I’d say that’s something to keep an eye on if Playa flips scum at some point, but (like Thane) it would be a pretty damn suicidal move to make as a scum teammate.  Sili no longer cares about the game, spams the thread with woe-is-me (for the record, this is the type of crap that gets you lynched.  Cut it out next time). 

   

Page 40: Sili apologizes for teh emo. Ok then. Playa shows up. Spam between Wombat and Sili.  I post another recap.  Sili denies knowing what “woe-is-me” is (dude, did you read your posts??).  Rags shows up with content: Likes Thane, Sili, me, Barm, Stelio, Des. Null on Krak, suspicious of Andrej and PlayArsis.  Brief interaction with Sili cuts like a knife – love that post, Rags.  Nyn posts her thoughts.  Still no overtly scummy play from her; if she’s scum, she’s good at it.  Nice to see. 

 

Page 41: Thane and DesLAMI banter about cars. DesLAMI tries to push Thane to post content, without luck.  Cass posts content … does she ever.  Shared my thoughts elsewhere, but damn that’s a powerhouse post, regardless of alignment or accuracy.  I like it. I like it a lot. [/JimCareyVoice].   

[hazelkrs1]

Well, that actually explains WHY Yates was trying to attract attention to himself. Well done, whoever.

[hazelkrs1]

Sucks losing my inno viewing tho

 

[hazelkrs1]

Also I think Wombat looks legitimately wolfy for his posturing near EOD yesterday.

 

He acts like it was a "near-CFD" he led, but SILI WAS THE LEAD WAGON THE WHOLE TIME. Furthermore the "results" of his reaction test looked entirely sided towards assuming Sili would flip town (also his thing about me looking worse with a Sili townflip was absolute dogshit), he even said at the end "hope Sili flips SK" which smacks of TMI

 

I think Wombat saw himself getting town read yesterday, and his whole demeanor changed. Started posturing a lot more, acting generally obnoxious like a wolf grinning to himself about being miscleared. I think he felt he would be able to fairly easily "lead" a lynch on Sili and keep DPR from being CFD'ed upon

[Kivam]

OK, seer cover people (Darthe, Andrej, Des): who did you view last night, what was the result, and why?

[hazelkrs1]

OK, seer cover people (Darthe, Andrej, Des): who did you view last night, what was the result, and why?

 

Hahahahaha

 

NO

 

 

Seriously, you asking me to reveal immediately like this Kivam- holy hell that reeks of scum.

 

WHY IN THE SEVEN HELLS WOULD I REVEAL A FINDING AT DAYBREAK WHEN I CAN HOLD ONTO THAT AND CATCH WILVES WITH IT?????

 

:smh:

[hazelkrs1]

Looks like we got ourselves an old school pairing of DPR, Wombat, and Kivam as scumbros

[hazelkrs1]

Not even trying and I'm 8th in posts and have everyone town reading me.  GET ON MY LEVEL.

 

Right around HERE is when Wombat's tone and behavior started changing DRASTICALLY. Don't take my word for it, check his iso out yourself.

[hazelkrs1]

Cocky and braggadocios scum at it's ballsiest

[Thane Vakarian]

Des: i agree that i definately had odd vibes coming off Wombat when reading EOD. 

[Thane Vakarian]

He seemd on edge for no obvious reason imo