[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[TheRagnarok]

Been busy the past couple days.  Should be able to be more interactive now.

 

 

So, let me get this straight.

-- Monstr, claimed Psychiatrist, visited me last night

-- Arsis, claimed Watcher, watched Monstr last night and nobody visited

-- Hallia, claimed JOAT [who tracked AJ N1], did something last night

-- BFKey, claimed JK, jailed Tommy last night

-- Tommy was killed



We know Krak confirmed protections work against multiple sources, so we can't say that maybe AJ shot Tommy. We know Tommy was a NK. Meaning that either BFKey was RBed, or is lying.

Here's the thing: I don't think they claim they jailed Tommy if they were lying. Why not go for a similar scenario as N1 and jail who they thought was town, and claim they were WIFOMing the mafia? That's the easiest thing to claim. Having to fight through a RBer discussion still puts them in harm's way for a lynch. I'm warming up on BFKey.


I think Arsis is being miscleared. Even after Tommy admitted I'm town, he still tried to push Hallia, myself and Leelou. There would be 1 teammate in there (IMO), and 2 townies. I'm already suspicious of Hallia, so that leaves me with~~

Arsis/Hallia/Dice/???

I could change that depending on what Hallia reveals about night actions last night. I think we need to hear all the details.....like, now.

Lmfao, Tommy admitted you're town and I still pushed you means that I didn't agree with Tommyrod. Tommy also said "if you're town it screws up my read of the game" He flipped vt not cop. You're play is low level this game. Regroup and try again this time from a more town angle. See, you're scum so you know manbat is town so my watching him isn't surprising to you. To someone actually town it might cause them to wonder.

You're so scummy it hurts. That type of trying to make a subtle connection between you and a dead townie. The emotional manipulation of tommy before. The silly push of Thane super early day 1. You're scum and the lynch today for anyone paying attention to the game.

 

Me and Arsis are the only ones staying strong on the Verb. 

 

Well also partly that I thought hallia was also a psychiatrist and thought she targeted him n1

I don't follow your reasoning in this explanation at all. 

 

Oh really Yates?

I used a cop view last night on Pral, and got a town. Liarrrr!

##Vote Lates

That's an interesting twist.

 

##rags

Ok.

 

 

Oh really Yates?

I used a cop view last night on Pral, and got a town. Liarrrr!

##Vote Lates

Thank you.

Protecting your scumbro? How would that be "interesting" as you said? An inno is anything but "interesting."

Really? "You put yourself on the line to protect a scummate who was viewed guilty thereby ensuring 2 down instead of 1"? Is that your argument?.
You just got caught pants down.

##Yates

 

Yates...this is bad.  Really really bad logic.

[Yates]

Yates...this is bad.  Really really bad logic.

Once you are caught up it will make sense.

[Yates]

You claimed cop.

You claimed redirection.

 

You were setting it up to wiggle out after the mislynch.

No. I was setting it up for YOU to wiggle. The whole point was to get your reaction. Unfortunately, Hally was too quick to crap on the gambit.

[TheRagnarok]

 

Yates...this is bad.  Really really bad logic.

Once you are caught up it will make sense.

 

No, I'm caught up and I think I kinda maybe get what you were trying to do if you're town, but that doesn't change the fact that the reasoning there was awful.

 

Scum would never, ever go 2 for 1. 

[TheRagnarok]

Check that.  Functional scum would never, ever go 2 for 1.

[Yates]

Oh I know. I was grasping at that point. I really needed Hally to holster that result.

[Leelou]

The reason we are having a very hard time seeing a watcher and JOAT on town side is because we are the town tracker. 

 

Night 1 we tracked Pral and he went no where. 

Night 2 we tracked BFKey and they visited Tommy. 

 

The reason Yates asked on thread about if someone was blocked would the result be shown is because we weren't sure if BFKey was lying and killed Tommy or they are telling the truth about being JK and were blocked. I asked previously on our QT when we saw that they went to Tommy and Krak revealed the same answer that he did on thread. I'm more inclined to think they are town and were blocked right now. 

[Arsis]

I'm still 100% okay with yachting Verbal.

[Leelou]

Either Hallia or Arsis are scum. 

Arsis - watches Tommy N1 - possibly scum looking for doc/or looking for scum to kill bp
Arsis - watches Manbat N2 - possibly scum looking for roles to target someone who was jailed the night before/or looking for scum to kill someone who was jailed the night before 

I can see Arsis from either town or scum views.

 

Hallia - N1 - tracked AJ, incorrectly miscleared him since he went no where. 

Hallia - N2 - viewed Pral - innocent result. 

 

Hallia still needs to claim her other one shots. 

[TheRagnarok]

Oh I know. I was grasping at that point. I really needed Hally to holster that result.

Ok.  I gotcha now. 

[Yates]

Fyi - this was our ACTUAL breadcrumb from N1. Obvious as the day is long.

 

Tom is obviously just leveling the crap out of us and his team didn't submit a NK.

 

He's "doc protect clear" like he was SHC last round

 

You're totes busted Tomas

This is why we are besties. This was my first thought when I read his "someone must be doc cleared - obviously me!" post.

 

One note on my catch up: I also hate that people like Pral do nothing all night and other people come in and say that's okay. Or worse, think a reads list with no info is a "Townie" post. I'm just hoping Des was joking about that.

 

Notice that was my first post of the day.

[Yates]

So yeah. It wasn't as TERRIBLE of a gambit as you might think. I just should have had buy in from Leelou first.

[Yates]

A couple of things Leelou left off was this:

 

Pral being tracked to nowhere just means he didn't submit the kill. I couldn't gambit on that because scum know who actually DID submit the kill. So part of why I gave Pral that wiggle room is because I was hoping to force a fake claim out of him

 

And yeah. As you saw, we tracked BFKey last night to resolve that slot. When Krak told us she visited Tommy I was like "play it cool. Let's see where people fall on the BFKey thing because we just nabbed scum." But Leelou asked Krak in the QT what I asked in thread. When he said we would see her even if she was RBed? That ruined that train of thought. Also makes our role essentially worthless.

[Sili Quirrels]

wait, so you fake claimed cop to fabricate a guilty read on pral in order to get a better read on him... ?

 

So yeah. It wasn't as TERRIBLE of a gambit as you might think. I just should have had buy in from Leelou first.

 

would you be insulted if i said it's something i can see town yates doing?

 

i think one of you, arsis, or hallia is lying... probably. barring some shenanigans in the set up. my gut says the fact you backed off from the gambit so quickly is town for you, but why clear pral and halia?

[Arsis]

Leelou you've played with me. If I'm faking claims as scum I would have "caught" someone by now. I don't care if it's a low level play it's fun for me.

 

Plus, no one expects low level plays and outthink themselves like when I poisoned Miller as mafia joat. "must be third party no way scum does that"

[TheRagnarok]

So you all set up this gambit off of a ruined train of thought that makes your role essentially worthless?

[Yates]

So you all set up this gambit off of a ruined train of thought that makes your role essentially worthless?

Yeah pretty much. Once I realized our role is pretty freaking worthless I went YOLO because I no longer GAF. It didn't dawn on me that Leelou may.

 

What we KNOW is Key visited Tommy last night and Tommy is dead. Key also claimed to have visited Tommy last night so that's not really valuable information. We should NOT have seen her visit Tommy if she was RBed but that's the way Krak has chosen his mechanic to work so there is no functional way of determining if she's lying or telling the truth.

 

We also KNOW Pral didn't go anywhere on N1. So he's at least pigeon holed into a VT claim. If scum? He isn't the RB and didn't submit the NK.

[Sili Quirrels]

Sili - you had some strong opinions on Days 1 and 2 that mostly panned out [as you were happy to point out]. Why are you light blue reading BFKey? Is it just the roleclaim or is it game play? I've learned to read Key pretty well - especially after hydra partnering with her - and I haven't seen any of her benchmark Town tells. I just want to know what you are seeing and I am missing...

i can't read key so i rely on bfg to town tell. i just call the slot key because it's so easy.

 

I think bfg is telling the truth, or a very good liar. If they're scum they're putting themselves in a difficult spot to wiggle out of intentionally.

[Pralaya]

And, here is the kicker. I am not VT.

[Sili Quirrels]

i suspect of the three, it's probably arsis who's lying.

 

and i've yet to do the dice iso. the only feeling i have from him is semi-reasonable today, and totally irrationally uncouth yesterday. >.>

[Leelou]

And, here is the kicker. I am not VT.

 

Did you do anything N1? 

[Yates]

And, here is the kicker. I am not VT.

Don't bother telling me your role. Who did you visit N1?

[Pralaya]

Might as well reveal it because it will help save the day.

 

I did not visit anyone N1, you are right. Because I am limited shot town roleblocker. I holstered N1.

 

There is absolutely no way we have a RB, JK, tracker, watcher (if in addition to a scum blocker) in the game. 

 

So, there's your limited pool for the day. 

[Yates]

Why are you limited shot? We aren't.

[Pralaya]

Ask krak