[BASIC] Discworld Mafia - MAFIA win

[WolfbrotherKronos]

 

 

 

The alignment discussion between you and Leelou is something that just pings a bit given leelou's flip.  It's nothing definitive, but it stands out to me.

 

My above post - mostly just discussion on bussing distancing - then there is some more stuff between Verb and Nolder.

 

Stands out how?  Pointing towards town?  Scum?

 

You need to explain what the ISO is making you think, not just quote it and say it "stands out".  I don't know whether to attempt to better explain myself, or agree with you.

 

 

It looks like distancing.

 

 

Ok.  So you're saying that when I was the first one to call attention to the fact that I didn't like Leelou's response to me......and given that it is well known that I'm a excellent reader of Leelou.....it looks like I may have been distancing there?

 

If yes, then ok.  My response to this would be that mid-D1 is a little risky to be creating pressure on your 1 teammate, especially given it was before they were a real lynch contender.

 

 

Understood...I'm really just looking through your stuff right now and commenting as I see things - it helps me organize my thoughts.

[Verbal32]

Np, I'll wait until you're done (and I am as well).

[WolfbrotherKronos]

@Cory - just highlight his posts with your mouse - I'm doing that and it makes it more manageable.  The salmon color hurts my eyes, too.

 

 

I think both Nol and Leelou/nyn are mafia. I have a slight tinfoil that only one is and in that case id say its leelou/nyn.

 

im gonna vote nolder because i do think he is mafia and if he flips town then he cements my certainty about leelou/nyn.

 

I don't think you addressed this, but I have a question.  If you think both might be mafia, but if only one was it would be Leelou/Nyn, then why are you voting Nolder?  Based on what you've said, the best vote would be Leelou/Nyn.  Can you elaborate?

 

 

 

I thought I explained this already?

Maybe you missed it. I didn't like the way Verbal joked and posted spidey meme after Krak called him scum.

I said it could be a coincidence and Verbal said it was but I took it as him being nervous for being called out so early and trying to bury it with posts. Like I said though I've moved on. There are far more tangible things to worry about now.

 

Nol, you can't possibly call what Krak did "calling me out".  It is laughable.  I can't believe I'm still needing to address this.  You saw my post, where I interacted with Barm & Nyn in my 1st post.  You've seen my entrance into countless games on multiple sites at this point.  To have you actually think Krak's silly 'catch' had any merit is really making me wonder.  Your last handful of posts are giving me a town vibe, but then you interject this junk again.

 

 

 

i'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

 

Good.  Can you check my above comment on Dice?  I have him as town, but that vote and reasoning didn't make sense to me on why he'd vote Nolder over Leelou/Nyn in the same post where he explained his little tinfoil.  Thoughts?

 

 

This post kinda seems like a soft push for dice to vote LeeNyn, could be made to seem townie, but given he's asking Cory's opinion, I get more of a town vibe at this point.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Next comes the verbal doesn't vote LeeNyn - Leelou taunts him.

 

ONce more we get Verbal questioning Dice's voting pattern - LeeNyn being the common denominator - on page 30 #584

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Why do I think you're scum? Why?

 

 

This bothers me.

 

I'm bothered.

 

Like whoa.

 

 

You aren't on the offensive - you're entire D1 has been largely defensive. I know you need to defend from multiple players, but any counterattack has been nonexistent.

 

 

 

You aren't on the offensive - you're entire D1 has been largely defensive. I know you need to defend from multiple players, but any counterattack has been nonexistent.

 

I know you hate this, but I haven't had the time to get into this game. I've tried whenever I had 5 mins and I had people to defend against and by today, meh. 

 

 

More discussion between Leelou and Verbal - Verbal feels she's scum now

[WolfbrotherKronos]

The vote and verbs feelings about it.

[v]Leelou/Nyn[/v]

 

 

I need more time than D1 to read Leelou, but for the record I read Nyn slightly scummy.

 

 

<cautiously optimistic>

[WolfbrotherKronos]

ON page 39 - Have to do dishes now - I get the townie vibe from Verb so far.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

FTR there is something else I'm uncomfortable with - Yates wants to know about Verb's reread, but hasn't mentioned doing one of his own.

[Verbal32]

Honestly, with a 2 person mafia team, I think LouNy would be fighting harder now if they were mafia.

 

 

 

[unvote]

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

Don't get why he switched but I appreciate the unvote - I'm seriously not understanding why Leelou/Nyn are getting run up.

 

 

 

These are consecutive posts - reading through, it looks like a concerted effort to defend Leelou/Nyn.  Hydra coordination like this (saying the same kind of thing) is suspicious when looking back at it and seeing it for the potential defense of their only teammate.

 

I've been only looking at Kronos right now, but he's got a reads list that I need to pull up...

[Verbal32]

FTR there is something else I'm uncomfortable with - Yates wants to know about Verb's reread, but hasn't mentioned doing one of his own.

 

You're really giving me the impression you want to vote for Yates here.

[Verbal32]

 

1. Tina - Tina seems like Town Tina to me

2. Dice - always hard for me to read, so I have a null on him

3. Barm - Quizzically being quizzical - town read

4. Leelou/Nyn - I feel like their reactions are genuine - slight town read

5. Verb - Town read on him

6. Mish/Kronos - Town

7. Yates - Unsure

7b. Cory - Town read on Cory

9. Nolder - Understand his frustration, but Hallia really does have RL stuff going on - still feels like a policy vote - but a town read on him too - as per verbal - the spidey memes are pretty pretty normal for him - it didn't draw my attention

10. Krak - See what Mish said

11. Hallia - I know you're busy Souvra, but want to hear your thoughts - null

 

 

 

Here is that reads list.

 

Re: the Tina read - I see no mention anywhere in thread from Kronos on why Tina is "town Tina".

 

Re: the Leelou/Nyn read - I think if Mish/Kronos are the other scum, this makes sense for a teammate read.  Give a little explanation, and lean town.

 

 

 

 

Caveat:  these are 'top of my head' thoughts, and not indicative of where I'll vote.....I need to do Mish and then Yates.  And I want to look at reads from Leelou first - I might be able to pick up something from that.

[Verbal32]

Final Thought on Kronos:  equal parts buddying and FOSing of both Yates and myself.  Need to correlate this with Mish's ISO.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

 

Honestly, with a 2 person mafia team, I think LouNy would be fighting harder now if they were mafia.

 

 

 

[unvote]

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

Don't get why he switched but I appreciate the unvote - I'm seriously not understanding why Leelou/Nyn are getting run up.

 

 

 

These are consecutive posts - reading through, it looks like a concerted effort to defend Leelou/Nyn.  Hydra coordination like this (saying the same kind of thing) is suspicious when looking back at it and seeing it for the potential defense of their only teammate.

 

I've been only looking at Kronos right now, but he's got a reads list that I need to pull up...

 

 

With regards to this - Both of us stated that we didn't understand the case on LeeNyn - you yourself were hesitant to vote them - they played a good day 1 IMO and were hard to read.

 

 

FTR there is something else I'm uncomfortable with - Yates wants to know about Verb's reread, but hasn't mentioned doing one of his own.

 

You're really giving me the impression you want to vote for Yates here.

 

 

At this point, I'm leaning that way; however I've only ISO'd you for Day 1 at this point and I had a solid town read on you Day 1.

 

 

Final Thought on Kronos:  equal parts buddying and FOSing of both Yates and myself.  Need to correlate this with Mish's ISO.

 

I'm trying to keep an open mind.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Basically - I'm leaning Yates now, but need to complete my ISO's

 

It's almost 4 PM GMT on October 22 which means we have roughly one day and 7 hours to come to a decision.

 

Deadline for Central Standard Time would be 6 PM tomorrow if I've calculated right - we have time and I plan to use it.

[Verbal32]

Basically - I'm leaning Yates now, but need to complete my ISO's

 

It's almost 4 PM GMT on October 22 which means we have roughly one day and 7 hours to come to a decision.

 

Deadline for Central Standard Time would be 6 PM tomorrow if I've calculated right - we have time and I plan to use it.

 

How does that work out with my ISO of Mish?  She has basically been town on Yates for most of the game.

[Yates]

FTR there is something else I'm uncomfortable with - Yates wants to know about Verb's reread, but hasn't mentioned doing one of his own.

Verb was here posting in the thread and he said last night that he was going to do a reread.  I was making conversation.  I never promised a reread because I don't know that I'll have time to do anything but ISO.  And I missed some stuff in ISO, as pointed out by Dice so...  I think I'm just going to focus on the end of Day 1 if I get a minute to do that.

[Yates]

How does that work out with my ISO of Mish?  She has basically been town on Yates for most of the game.

This has been exactly my problem. Kronos has been null to scum on me while Mish has been Town reading me from the start. I also gave her credit for defending me while I was gone and preventing the CFD that could have let LouNy slip the noose. Dice later pointed out that HE was the one that first brought it up. So this is the part I want to look back on. I gave Mish a blue for doing that - which made these guys a dark green.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

 

 

Basically - I'm leaning Yates now, but need to complete my ISO's

 

It's almost 4 PM GMT on October 22 which means we have roughly one day and 7 hours to come to a decision.

 

Deadline for Central Standard Time would be 6 PM tomorrow if I've calculated right - we have time and I plan to use it.

How does that work out with my ISO of Mish? She has basically been town on Yates for most of the game.

My reads are all off because we saw both of you as town. I know I'm town, so it has to be one of you two. As I said...my ISO isnt complete...I'm stating what I feel as of now.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

 

Final Vote Count :

 

Krak (3): Sexy LouNy , Wolfish, Hallia

 

Nolder (2): Yates, Dice 

 

Sexy LouNy (5): Barm, Tina, Krak, Cory, Verb

 

Hallia (1) : Nolder

 

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

 

 

 

Sexy LouNy has been lynched

 

Flip incoming

 

 

Sexy LouNy (5): Barm, Tina, Krak, Cory, Verb

 

 

That is the final lynch D1.  I've been thinking about this, and did some re-reading.  In my opinion, with a 2-man scum team, they are almost FORCED to bus and not be seen on another train.  We're looking in the wrong direction, imo.

 

If I was scum here, I would absolutely be on this train.  I would expect scum to be on each other's train.  I know Cory was thinking otherwise - but I think he is wrong on that.  I know how Leelou plays - I think she's 100% be on the other scum's train to throw off the scent of any "wagonomics" being done.  Therefore, I'm fairly certain the other scum is on this train.

 

Via my own personal POE, I remove myself, the dead townie in Cory, and one of my blue reads in Barm.  That leaves Tina & Krak.

 

LouNy started the train on Krak - there was nothing with Tina.  No way will scum go for total distancing here by ignoring.

 

Krak should be the lynch today.

 

[v]Krak[/v]

 

 

 

If I'm wrong, tomorrow's lynch should be either Tina or myself.

 

Where the "I should be the next lynch thing if I'm wrong" began

 

TBH he stuck with that.

[Yates]

My reads are all off because we saw both of you as town. I know I'm town, so it has to be one of you two. As I said...my ISO isnt complete...I'm stating what I feel as of now.

What bothers me is that this isn't true at all. And you have been very inconsistent. I can quote all the times you claimed you wanted to vote for me or for Verb if I have to. But what's been throwing me off about your slot is that you and Mish seem to be on different pages for most of the game with stuff like this:

The fact that LouNy jumped on his wagon EOD1, for me.

 

We're talking now, but I think we'll end up agreeing on hammering Tina. I agree that it's Krak/Verb/Tina it's between, and we have enough lynches left to take down all three. If somehow one of Dice/Barm/Yates are mafia, well then they deserve the win tbh.

^-answer to why I think Yates is town, ninjaed by Verb.

I'm sorry for going AWOL; RL has kicked my butt hard the last few days and I'm utterly exhausted.

 

As Kronos said, we're thinking Krak or Verb.

 

Yates, I'm gonna put my trust in you now, since you're the most active person around that I have the strongest townie read on. I wish I could say I could help out with a reread, but my brain is mush and I know I won't be able. I know it's unfair and I'm sorry.

So in the first two posts, for example, you both claimed to believe scum was in Verb/Krak/Tina, while Mish defended me. Then, at the beginning of the previous day, Mish claims I'm her strongest Town read and makes me feel like she's going to sponge whomever I decide I'm going to vote for. I made a comment about this at the time but shrugged it off because I remembered her Town reading me the whole game. But then she drops a vote on Krak, who I *did* claim to be Town reading strongly - which is the opposite of what I thought she was going to do and frankly, in retrospect, appears opportunistic. And now you are claiming that you are leaning towards voting me when the most recent posts from you two suggest I'm Townie McTownerson? This is inconsistent. And I don't like inconsistent at this point in the game. Is it because you know I'm HIGHLY unlikely to vote Verb and you think he's more likely to vote me?

[WolfbrotherKronos]

No it's not Yates...

 

I understnad I'm inconsistent.

 

Understand this.

 

1. I'm on a new medication - I couldn't think clearly for the majority of this game.  I'm just to the point where my meds aren't affecting my judgement.

2. I work two jobs - I've not had a day off in two weeks - I'm extremely tired all the time add that to the meds - it makes it hard to focus - these are the reasons why I haven't said much

3. I've spent the last week trying to figure out if I have cancer (which I'm glad to say I don't have) - sorry - Mafia wasn't a priority

 

My point is this - I don't remember most of what has happened in this game.  That's why I'm rereading and ISOing now.  So give me time ok?

[Yates]

3. I've spent the last week trying to figure out if I have cancer (which I'm glad to say I don't have) - sorry - Mafia wasn't a priority

 

...

 

So give me time ok?

Had no idea. Sorry, man. Happy to hear things in that regard turned out well for you.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Don't be sorry - I didn't say much about it - I'm just glad that it's negative - and sorry for the rant there momentarily.  Mostly I want you to understand that I understand I'm inconsistent.  I'm trying to get a clear head on this game now, but yeah I'm still leaning you right now.

 

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Just been a stressful couple of weeks and on top of that it's been hard to keep up so I'm pretty much playing catch up now and getting a solid handle on things.  At least the meds are keeping my emotions in check for the most part

[Yates]

Alright, Verb, I have a question for you that's been bugging me for a while... Why was Nolder the NK target on N2 over more obvious choices like Dice and Barm?