[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[Tyler Glembo]

I'm out ya'll.  First basketball game of the season.  Wish us luck and hopefully we'll make the playoffs.

[keyholder21]

I wouldn't actually expect a post like 

 

"maybe he actually shanked his girlfriend"

 

to be a legit commentary on alignment or as justification for his play at any point.

 

But it's easy deflection. It makes it a joke, so people might write it off instead of looking into it.

 

 

I don't think they presented any valid play at that point, but I think this is a WIFOM argument.

Do you see how that's exactly what we did, though? Only one of us went so far as sticking their neck out [*clears throat*] and actually calling one of them Town.

 

I'm not sure what you are getting at.

[Yates]

But if you want someone else to hammer instead, fine.

I'd prefer we not be hammered at all. BUT, if it does happen, it is not in Town's best interests for us make it any easier.

 

Besides, I'm digging where TG is going with this on Des. Even if Des isn't the lynch tonight, at least he's on notice.

[keyholder21]

 

I think I am going to save the bulk of my thoughts for when night ends but in short I find claims so far to be legit (maybe sans that bodyguard claim, but the Len flip makes that a bit cleaner barring heavy scum PR), Tommy imo is a bit muddled this game but it's Tommy who I can't really read to be fair. Des looks sincere but his arguments with Tommy, Arsis, Salami, Kates etc are a lot of conflict that's fairly unnecessary thus far in the game. I also think that Kates/Salami are off. It's a total gut thing but if I die look into them (probably as a lategame tinfoil) and in the short run trust

 

Des

Krak

TG

Tommy/Hally?

I agree that someone on his 'trust' list is probably scum. I haven't reread either, but going based on what darthe said above, my money is on des. 'He sounds sincere but his arguments (with half the game) are innecessary'. Looks like hedging. He's also been extremely quiet since Len lynch was proposed and even more so since Yates/me started taking the brunt of accusation.

 

[Yates]

I'm not sure what you are getting at.

It's the same reason you didn't want the Lenlo lynch and became skeptical of the people pushing the Darthe wagon.

[keyholder21]

But I provided reasoning for why I didn't want those votes. Krak did not at the time.

[Tommyrod]

You guys mind copy-pasting post #24 in your QT for me?

[Tommyrod]

Cowards!!!!

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

I'm so annoyed that Vos didn't die last night.

In a game this size, would it be unreasonable for us to have a cop, a deputy, a vig, a bodyguard and a doc? I'm asking because i see only a few options regarding that.

A)scum was afraid of a doc protecting Vos while vos protected you, so they shot into the crowd hoping to find him. Not sure why they went with Hallia since i have no idea how being a doc would have  made her so confident to back up your cop claim.

 

B)Vos isnt actually a bodyguard, but scum.

 

C)Scum decides to leave him alive to make the rest of us question whether he really is a bodyguard or not, hoping we lynch him.

[Tommyrod]

Depends on how many PRs the scumteam has.

Lenlo was goon (vanilla)
Darthe was role cop

If there's a godfather and a roleblocker, then town could have that many PRs yeah.

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

 

I could have been blocked, I don't know because I tried to visit Darthe.

You should get a report even if your target dies.

 

Usually doesn't matter... But in the TTSS game I mentioned earlier, Rags vigged our godfather, he flipped godfather and Peace viewed him SCUM that night.

 

What percentage do you believe you were roleblocked?

[Tommyrod]

Me? I got "No Result" as a result so the more I think about it the more likely it was I was RB'd last night. I should have gotten a result on Darthe even if he was dead. (At least, that's how it usually works.)

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

I think Csarmi is town. i dont think scum would want to draw attention to a roleblocker being present. may be a weak reason but that's what i think.

 

[unvote]

[Tommyrod]

Haha, okay.

Take a stab at reading Drunk Tank. He doesn't have that many posts. Let me know what you find.

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

I'll give it a whirl

[Tommyrod]

I can see a Drunk/Dice team.

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

My only thoughts regarding most of this activity is town violence. I see Lenlo and Darthe lurking super hard along with key (though there was an excellent post regarding, so moot). I find it interesting TGlems can stop in, make a post/vote and the lynch wagon takes off..../much ponder 

 

I'm just not convinced of Depsot's scummyness, but I have no interest in a no lynch.  His spaz reaction regarding Tommy and Hallia (alleged PR outing) was not scummy.

 

I like reading the posts and rereading the thread seeing each post as town and again as scum (the poster that is). Changes the flavor.  

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

I find it intriguing that he comes in and votes for Lenlo because he was lurking, when DT only had about 10 posts himself at that point.

[unvote]

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

I need you to talk. The sole contribution you've made thus far is asking me to elaborate about Des.

 

 

[unvote] [v]Lenlo [/v]

 

Then a few more votes pile up (They are changed to Vos i think not long after.)

 

 

I'm the scummiest so far but I'm still town.

 

 

Lenlo should be the lynch because he is Lenlo and his defense was actually pretty scummy. Deflecting with a joke isn't a defense len.

Your right its not a defense. Theres nothing to defend against though Arsis. Your voting me as payback for killing you when you were a survivor. Im not gonna defend against something that was amusing for me to do in another game.

 

 

 

 

Lenlo, why do you think we should be townreading you?

You shouldnt be yet, cause ive done jack-all. Im trying to read through this thread right now and catch up but the amount of Tom/Des BS is making it annoying.

 

 

This I can understand.

Don't? Skip it?

Now this makes me unhappy.

 

I voted Lenlo mostly to drag him to this game and contribute because I regard lurkers as scummy. Now he's having to wade through all the spamtacular poo-poo nuggets with you suggesting skip it. Awesome!! 

 

Where is the skip point?? It's bad enough having to reread though all this crap looking for an out of place "if and or but" I can use as evidence. (sorry I'm ranty and running on caffeine and lack of sleep).

 

I'm going to give this some time to soak.

 

[unvote]

 

DT unvotes len

 

I don't know what I'm waiting for...

 

[v]Arsis[/v]

Then DT almost immediately votes Arsis(Me now) who would almost certainly be willing to lynch lenlo for almost no reason.

 

I find that entire thing to be a little *ahem* intersting.

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

 

Hey Drunk - my hand cannon may or may not be pointed at you.

 

What say ye?

 

It appears you were right about Darthe and Len looking bad for lurking.

 

Who do you think they other scum are?

 

Anyone you feel positively is likely to be town?

 

Tom and myself excluded.

I just picked lurkers at the moment and got lucky. I just wish I hadn't removed my vote later so I could helicopter my weener all over the place for catching scum.

 

My scum list is BFG , Vos, Csarmi or at least my current suspects of the players remaining. I don't really have any positively town other than you and Tommyrod.

 

And then he comes in with that "aw shucks i shoulda stuck with Lenlo" line.

 

i could buy him being scum.

[Tommyrod]

Sure. Me too.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Drunk Tank[/v]

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

Has he been scum in any games you've played with him?

[Tommyrod]

Nope. My personal theory is he's an alt account of someone else that trolls here for fun. (I can't prove that obviously, and I don't think it's malicious like Zanube was.) For this reason I don't think any prior record of him as scum would exist anywhere on the Internet, so catching him based on behavior will be difficult. Thread evidence is better, and I'm fine with applying some pressure after noting what you dug up.

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

I guess there is only one way to find out. 

 

[v]Drunk Tank[/v]

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

What makes you itch about Dice?

[Tommyrod]

I just find him scummy every game. But he had some weird defense of Drunk that I don't understand. I could try to find it.

[Al'Lan Mandragoran]

i have a problem seeing the Drunk tank symp bit. and thats cause there have been a couple of occasions this game where he has said something and ive been here nodding my head cause i could totally follow his POV. Thats got me leaning town on him

Anything to do with this?