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[Xthrax]

 

Tommy, I believe you but I have trouble believing him. His actions I don't like much.

 

I have to leave now. Address everything in around 5 hrs

I vaguely understand; I didn't like Nolder until N1 either. But we generated 150 QT posts of content; if he's scum and can keep that level of sustained game solving attempt up with me and post everything I asked him to... kudos to him, he's a freakin WIZARD. (But also his role makes no sense as a scum role.)

 

See, Tommy, imagine if you didn't have the information you have. Des made a post just after the one you made. I have both of you as seeming town. You more than him. At that moment it's confusing, so I decide to go with your version for the time.

 

Then Nolder comes and comments on Des's post. He does some very weird stuff such as pulling out a  quote separately but  then saying he has nothing to comment. On the whole I get a bad gut feeling/vibe/feel. I question his responses and he reacts very badly. He starts being very evasive and his response and reactions appear very scummy.

 

Then Tina comes on to post. Instead of just accusing us directly, he goes on to complain to Tina that we are calling her a liar. Why do that? Why couldn't he say it directly?

 

Then he goes on to call everyone who disagreed with him names. Followed by more scummy posts.

 

I have the information that is on the thread. Going by the thread, he is pretty scummy according to me.

 

You tell me to believe you because I find you town but honestly his actions don't support what you say.

 

Anybody can fake anything on a qt. In Nyn's Buffy game, Cory was town and Mynd was scum and they were on a qt together. Mynd fooled Cory so much that he faked a guilty result.

[Nolder]

Honestly seems like X is fishing to me.

Scum wants to know what me and Tommy aren't presenting on the thread.

It's making them nervous so instead of demanding to know outright they just pretend not to believe us until we give in and present all the info we have just to "convince" them.

[Tommyrod]

Chance I've been duped: 1%. But like I said, his town role also corroborates his town mindset, and I've seen evidence of the role.

[Tommyrod]

Honestly seems like X is fishing to me.

Scum wants to know what me and Tommy aren't presenting on the thread.

It's making them nervous so instead of demanding to know outright they just pretend not to believe us until we give in and present all the info we have just to "convince" them.

There's this possibility as well.

[Xthrax]

 

I've got a list of the players who are NOT clear out of those on the Darthe train:

 

Dawn

Hoof

Lenlo

Key

Xthrax

TG

AJ

 

4 out of these 7 players are scum.

Cool.

 

Dawn is confirmed scum.

Xthrax is spewing scum.

 

Just need to figure out the other two.

 

How am I spewing scum?

 

[v]Dawn[/v]

 

I think continuing what Darthe suggested earlier of having the same people on the Day's wagon would be a good idea. We'll be minus one without Tom and obviously whoever was getting lynched barring a self vote, which will allow us to check the two new people on the wagon to see if the number goes up or down. Pretty sweet.

 

I was actually going to suggest lynching Dawn today over X since I have a stronger scum read on her atm. I spent my weekend reading ISOs of the above group to get a better idea of who I thought the 4/7 were.

 

Dawn was one of them, probably highest on the list for how she swapped votes onto at the time the largests wagons (Tommy then Darthe) with really, really bad reasoning like 'they're acting so strange, I think they're scum. I'm sure of it' etc.

 

I had X rather low on my list initially for some of his earlier play (his arguments with Red and then later his interactions with Tommy after being called off) but seeing how he piggy backed onto Despot's conspiracy theory when it was evident he would be potentially up for a lynch today is looking absolutely terrible for him. Not to mention he continues pushing the point that Nolder is scum although it's been stated repeatedly (going as far as Nolder posting quotes for Tom) that they're Masons and Tom has been vetted.

 

The next little cluster of those I am suspicious of the most are TG and Hoof. Hoof's vote was parked on Dice for most of D1 and outside of his push there I didn't see much else from him helping to add direction of the conversation.

 

TG has been AWOL for a bit now, so he's either busy or laying low. The quietness reminds me of another game we played recently where he was scum and basically disappeared for 2 game Days only to come back and nearly take the game to Lylo after some mafia lynches. His early game was fluffy and now seeing as how we've had a lot of reveals, his catch up post and vote for Tsuki looked very opportunistic. I would put him 3rd on my list.

 

That leaves Lenlo and Key (and myself, I guess)

 

Lenlo seems to be coasting at per the usual, which is null for him and after reading back on him I don't think he has come across extremely scummy although some of his points aren't very strong either. 

 

I think Key looks really good on reread - she's asking a lot of questions and appears very observant.

 

So - Dawn is confirmed scum apparently.

 

Next I would say X and TG are likely.

 

Then out of Lenlo/Key/Hoof I would pick Hoof.

Really? If I was up for a lynch and scum wouldn't I have kept my mouth shut? Would someone who's up for a lynch want to get attention if they are scum.

 

Tom has been vetted. Till now until this point, no one said anything about them to being mason's together. 

 

 

I want to reread Vos.

 

I feel like he's been mentioned a lot but I can't remember who has pushed him/who he has pushed all that well.

 

Despot is probably scum though, or just level 9,000 paranoid. X piggybacking the theory doesn't really strike me as a scum/scum push though - much too blatant.

I mean I guess it is Des. Yeah, you have a fair point about how X twisted that scenario Des posed in his favor.

 

He can be cop peeked or something.

 

Vos has been less aggressive and more confused than I would expect.

 

How? How did I twist the scenario? I have been repeatedly saying that I wanted to focus on Nolder for his comments. Seriously? Did anyone read what Nolder said in his comments to Des? Did anyone read what I said? Or is everyone just going with the consensus opinion?   

 

Which also doesn't look very good for X considering his arguments with Red during the Dawn phase.

This is complete nonsense. I mean, AJ did you read why I found her to be somewhat scummy? It started because she was acting completely different from how she did in a town game. She was repeatedly trying to force her meta. A lot of people said that it was scummy, but now because it seems that Yates got a cop view I'm bad for what everyone agreed on a day back.

 

 

 

Vote the scumVote Xthrax

Do you have any reasons for this or just out of the blue

 

 

reasons seem a tad weak, got anything stronger?

 

 

 

 

Vote the scumVote Xthrax

Do you have any reasons for this or just out of the blue

You're basically a dead man walking as far as I'm concerned.

 

[v]Xthrax[/v]

 

 

still a tad random.

 

 

 

^^^ Not sure what happened to the quotes there...

I was quoting Darthe. My part was this:

I'm obviously starting my reading with the night phase. I'm assuming Hally has a vetted Town role that allows her to know how many scum are on a wagon?

If so, this is a great place to start. If not, let me know.

This should be correct. Tina corroborated the claim and as you can see she just died town and had a role of "hero tracker" so I believe Hallia is reasonably clear.

I've got a list of the players who are NOT clear out of those on the Darthe train:

Dawn

Hoof

Lenlo

Key

Xthrax

TG

AJ

4 out of these 7 players are scum.

That's HUGE info, borderline game-busting stuff.*** ATTENTION ***

I HAVE BEEN COERCED BY SOME FORCE TO VOTE FOR DARTHE. I MUST VOTE FOR DARTHE TODAY AND CANNOT UNVOTE DARTHE. THEREFORE I AM NOW VOTING DARTHE. I NOT ACTUALLY INTEND TO LYNCH DARTHE. I CONFIRMED HIM TOWN ALREADY.

[V]Darthe[/V]*** THANKS FOR READING ***

  

 

that's an effective way to neuter your power.

 

No. It was a sarcastic comment on Nolder.

Again, you people are failing to see. Why I was focusing on Nolder.

It was in no way related to Des's post. It was on Nolder's casr. On asking him a few questions, he immediately exploded deflecting my questions and calling me a liar. It's fine if he calls me a direct way.

In a not so subtle way, he complained to Tina that we were calling her a liar.

I didn't begin with thinking he was scum. I decided to ask him questions but he reacted very badly.

Si I find him scummy and [v]Nolder[/v]

voting an apparently confirmed townie is a bad idea. A very strange thing to do.

 

 

 

Arsis: I can confirm with 100% certainty that Nolder successfully used his night ability last night. I've seen his role PM and I know what he did.

Either you were blocked, redirected, or something got messed up.

 

 

 

this has since been resolved, but yeah my first thought was block or redirect.

 

 

 

 

well, with a guilty on dawn there is no reason not to vote her. [v]Dawn[/v]

seems as though my suspicions of red were misplaced.

 

 

 

on another note, i am a tad worried about the powers mafia might have, given the power of all these town roles.

 

How was he confirmed? No one other than Tommy says anything on why he's town. And that's based on how he acted on a qt. There is no confirmed proof.

[Xthrax]

Chance I've been duped: 1%. But like I said, his town role also corroborates his town mindset, and I've seen evidence of the role.

Yeah, in Nyn's game this is exactly what Cory said. But he was duped completely-100% 

[Tommyrod]

That Blackhoof post X just quoted is so surficial as to be scummy

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Chance I've been duped: 1%. But like I said, his town role also corroborates his town mindset, and I've seen evidence of the role.

Yeah, in Nyn's game this is exactly what Cory said. But he was duped completely-100%

WOW, YOU JUST CHANGED MY MIND ON EVERYTHING. Except wait, no, I'm not Cory and I didn't go into the game expecting my lover partner to not be scum like Cory [reasonably] did. Cory thought that was impossible in a basic game.

 

None of this changes his already vetted to me town mechanic role, a point you keep ignoring. Give it a rest.

[Nolder]

Where is Cory anyway?

Thought you two always rolled together in mafia games.

[Tommyrod]

Where is Cory anyway?

Thought you two always rolled together in mafia games.

He's focusing on theater

[Nolder]

???

[Tommyrod]

Yeah but with more flair

[Xthrax]

To AJ and everyone else who says they are on a qt together

 

To Tommy-Why the hell did you both go through all this facade of calling each other scum and not finding each other town but scum? What was all this pretense for?

 

If you guys were on a qt together, why all this on thread?

 

These and many others like these are what stops me from believing. Both of them acted completely oblivious. Suddenly Nolder starts getting messages from Tommy and suddenly Nolder is completely clear for Tommy.

 

Seriously, did no one bother to think about these things? 

Nolder also came off as scummy to me but I don't really get the point of openly trying to discourage town from talking on N0 before people can even vote if he's scum, so this is a case of "too scummy to be scum" for me. I'm not wed to that read but those were my thoughts when my eye caught his posts yesterday.

 

 

...setting up lynches?

 

Tommy you've gone from townie to I don't even know what anymore in my eyes.

 

I  think that star wars clip was extremely relevant. Great foresight.

 

 

I don't understand how Tommy thinks he's going to clear himself.

 

Are you going to have your mason partner claim?

 

 

 

 

 

Funny... we could have confirmed 4 town by now...

Eh? Which 4? At most I count 3.

 

 

Interested: WHich three?

 

Tommy, Darthe, Tommy's partner

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I don't know why you're letting Darthe walk away from being tested.
After posting his role PM you'd think you'd jump at the chance to confirm him.
It's basically a free lie detection.

I totally agree with this. I don't get darthe not wanting to be tested, either.

He's shifted gears every chance just like scum would.
He went from emo self voting to ok let's test me to ok I'm clear let's lynch someone else.
Makes no sense.

His progression makes perfect sense. You're REALLY bad since last night.

 

It really doesn't though. You're going to let a blatant AtE go because you think he had a nice claim?

Where is your sense of caution? A good townie has a healthy dose of skepticism and you seem to have lost all of yours.

 

[Nolder]

It wasn't "suddenly", there was a clear point in which things changed.

From Day to Night.

[Xthrax]

Nolder talks about me fishing.

 

Hallia says that NotBob isn't gonna do anything tonight.

 

Nolder immediately starts fishing in a subtle way. She tries to show that she isn't interested in saying anything. He goes on to probe more deeper finally leaving with when she still persists  in not saying anything.

 

Nolder asks me for fishing about how him and Tommy are talking when I say that I can't believe because of their prior posts.

 

Really, does no one find him suspicious on reading these kind of posts? Or is it only me who reads these?  

On the offffff chance that I get killed, just want to put this out there:

 

There isn't a chance of Bob doing...well...anything tonight.

 

 

 

Hallia lifts us up where we belong

Where eagles Falcons fly, on a mountain high

Hallia lifts us up where we belooooonnnnggg

Far from the world we know, where the clear winds blowwww

 

 

 

On the offffff chance that I get killed, just want to put this out there:

 

There isn't a chance of Bob doing...well...anything tonight.

How sure are you of this?

 

 

 

 

The whole communication thing sounds like it's more of a passive ability.

 

@Nol - More than pretty sure

I need you to be 100% sure.

Like there's lives on the line here sure.

 

 

 

The whole communication thing sounds like it's more of a passive ability.

 

@Nol - More than pretty sure

 

 

It's still night.  No one's 100% sure

 

 

 

It's still night.  No one's 100% sure

So Notbob was blocked from doing things TONIGHT?

 

 

 

I'm going to go with a solid

 

 

Maybe.  

 

 

 

Not. Helping.

 

Actually I think it's ok though maybe.

 

Let's just all take a deep breath and calm down.

 

All these stupid conspiracy theories making me paranoid yo.

[Xthrax]

It wasn't "suddenly", there was a clear point in which things changed.

From Day to Night.

Everyone says you guys are masons together. Tommy says that you were talking on qt and that's how you were cleared. Then why the hell did you both do the drama and pretense?

[Nolder]

Why do you think I probed her?

 

Because Tommy claimed NB sent him a "friendly neighbor" message and I was worried that wasn't possible because he should have been blocked.

We cleared that up though.

[Xthrax]

 

 

Chance I've been duped: 1%. But like I said, his town role also corroborates his town mindset, and I've seen evidence of the role.

Yeah, in Nyn's game this is exactly what Cory said. But he was duped completely-100%

WOW, YOU JUST CHANGED MY MIND ON EVERYTHING. Except wait, no, I'm not Cory and I didn't go into the game expecting my lover partner to not be scum like Cory [reasonably] did. Cory thought that was impossible in a basic game.

 

None of this changes his already vetted to me town mechanic role, a point you keep ignoring. Give it a rest.

 

You are not Cory but this goes to show that anyone can be duped. Anyone, even you

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Chance I've been duped: 1%. But like I said, his town role also corroborates his town mindset, and I've seen evidence of the role.

Yeah, in Nyn's game this is exactly what Cory said. But he was duped completely-100%

WOW, YOU JUST CHANGED MY MIND ON EVERYTHING. Except wait, no, I'm not Cory and I didn't go into the game expecting my lover partner to not be scum like Cory [reasonably] did. Cory thought that was impossible in a basic game.

 

None of this changes his already vetted to me town mechanic role, a point you keep ignoring. Give it a rest.

 

You are not Cory but this goes to show that anyone can be duped. Anyone, even you

 

[Citation Needed]

 

When has Tommy ever been duped?

[Xthrax]

Why do you think I probed her?

 

Because Tommy claimed NB sent him a "friendly neighbor" message and I was worried that wasn't possible because he should have been blocked.

We cleared that up though.

Tommy said this way before Hallia said anything. In my mind, it was right at the start of the night. I think this was way after that. So how were you planning to verify that after she said she did something went Tommy said it before she mentioned anything.

 

Also, Tommy keeps clearing you on qt  posts. Why didn't you actually approach him and ask him.

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

 

Chance I've been duped: 1%. But like I said, his town role also corroborates his town mindset, and I've seen evidence of the role.

Yeah, in Nyn's game this is exactly what Cory said. But he was duped completely-100%

WOW, YOU JUST CHANGED MY MIND ON EVERYTHING. Except wait, no, I'm not Cory and I didn't go into the game expecting my lover partner to not be scum like Cory [reasonably] did. Cory thought that was impossible in a basic game.

 

None of this changes his already vetted to me town mechanic role, a point you keep ignoring. Give it a rest.

 

You are not Cory but this goes to show that anyone can be duped. Anyone, even you

 

[Citation Needed]

 

When has Tommy ever been duped?

 

Tommy is human. Humans can be fooled

[Nolder]

 

Why do you think I probed her?

 

Because Tommy claimed NB sent him a "friendly neighbor" message and I was worried that wasn't possible because he should have been blocked.

We cleared that up though.

Tommy said this way before Hallia said anything. In my mind, it was right at the start of the night. I think this was way after that. So how were you planning to verify that after she said she did something went Tommy said it before she mentioned anything.

 

Also, Tommy keeps clearing you on qt  posts. Why didn't you actually approach him and ask him.

 

 

Nolder

08-09-2014

11:14 AM ET (US)

 

Tom, Hallia is saying Notbob can't do anything tonight.

What's up with that? :(

[Nolder]

@Mynd

 

I just broke the rules and am asking for approval after the fact.

I accidentally linked to the QT via copy/pasting and I'm sure that isn't allowed so I edited out the links so it couldn't be followed/verified.

Sorry, I'll be more careful in the future.

[Xthrax]

 

 

Why do you think I probed her?

 

Because Tommy claimed NB sent him a "friendly neighbor" message and I was worried that wasn't possible because he should have been blocked.

We cleared that up though.

Tommy said this way before Hallia said anything. In my mind, it was right at the start of the night. I think this was way after that. So how were you planning to verify that after she said she did something went Tommy said it before she mentioned anything.

 

Also, Tommy keeps clearing you on qt  posts. Why didn't you actually approach him and ask him.

 

 

Nolder

08-09-2014

11:14 AM ET (US)

 

Tom, Hallia is saying Notbob can't do anything tonight.

What's up with that? :(

 

Before fishing for Hallia's role, why didn't you ask him when he said it? 

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Why do you think I probed her?

 

Because Tommy claimed NB sent him a "friendly neighbor" message and I was worried that wasn't possible because he should have been blocked.

We cleared that up though.

Tommy said this way before Hallia said anything. In my mind, it was right at the start of the night. I think this was way after that. So how were you planning to verify that after she said she did something went Tommy said it before she mentioned anything.

 

Also, Tommy keeps clearing you on qt  posts. Why didn't you actually approach him and ask him.

 

 

Nolder

08-09-2014

11:14 AM ET (US)

 

Tom, Hallia is saying Notbob can't do anything tonight.

What's up with that? :(

 

Before fishing for Hallia's role, why didn't you ask him when he said it? 

 

I questioned him at the same time I questioned Hallia.