[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

[Tyler Glembo]

I'd like to point something out apparently everybody has freaking missed.

 

Mynd claimed Dreamer and says there IS scum between Dap, Wombat, and Despo.

 

How are we all not concentrating there right now? 

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

[Tyler Glembo]

EBWOP: Unless Mynd is insane.  In the game, of course. 

[Red2111]

First quote: #DAT BACKTRACK ROFLMAO

 

So Red says skimming is scummy, then responds to Vos and says that sure, skimming does likely come more from town than scum (completely going against what she previously said) but that skimming townies are antitown

again with the mis-rep Despo.

 

Vos stated: scum has more to lose than town skimming as they can slip up or be incoherent.

 

i responded: Town does have more to lose from skimming townies. the scum has their QT to check and make sure their WIFOM is fact based. a townie is alone. if they skim the thread they miss important info and can not expect to catch scum at all. not only do skimmers hurt the town.

 

 

i never stated townies skim more, i stated town has more to lose from skimming. *thwaps despo*

 

 

 

 

So okay, backtracking already puts this post in a bad light

you're baltant mis-rep does the same for you so called "case"

 

 

That's COMPLETELY misconstruing what Vos actually said! He didn't say skimming was good for town, he was just saying that skimming wasn't really in and of itself scummy (which is a valid point imo)!!!

actually Despo you're completely misconstruing what Vos is saying. he stated point blank that scum had more to lose from skimming than townies.

 

 

2a. Skimming is not scummy. If anything, scum has more to lose than town skimming as they can slip up or be incoherent. Town doesn't have to orchestrate their game.

 

 

and thats what i was responding to in the quote you mis-repped

 

 

 

So Red gets caught basically, on using terribad reasoning to fos Vos, so then she backtracks and makes it seem like they were arguing about whether or not skimming was good for town. I think you'd be hard freaking pressed to find ANYONE who thinks skimming is actually GOOD for town, so Red just looks like she's completely full of hot air there

^ completely fabricated

 

 

Second quote: So Vos makes a good point, that Red seemed to want to set up competing trains rather prematurely,

there was nothing premature about them. and again with the negative tone on competing trains ... how un-townie of you

 

 

ignoring anyone else in favor of JUST focusing on myself

um no, i suggested a tri-wagon on you, RTE and Tommy (the 3 most scummy people of D1). you commented on this as well.

 

and another flipped townie.

hindsight

 

Red starts talking about how a deadline might come up soon.

using normal well known logic for how long Day Phases generally last here at DM

 

5 RL days for D1 & D2 to end game generally 72 hrs unless the deadline falls on a weekend in which case Sat & Sun count as one full day.

 

anyone whose modded games here or played in games here knows this (hint i've done both many many times)

 

 

At that point, there was no deadline.

we were 3 RL days into the game. given the status quo for how deadlines are normally set it was an easy no brainer guess that one would be set soon.

 

imma start calling you Mr Stretch with all this reaching you're doing.

 

 

 

Vos wasn't saying we needed to cast this big huge net,

no he seemed to be suggesting we tunnel in on one player (RTE)

 

 

I think he just took exception with Red trying to prematurely set up two competing trains when there was still a LOT of other significant stuff to look at.

again, what significant other stuff?

 

 

Red finished it up by asking him if he's suggesting No Lynch.

 

...

 

i was being facetious and fishing for reactions to the mention of no lynch

[Myndrunner]

I'd like to point something out apparently everybody has freaking missed.

 

Mynd claimed Dreamer and says there IS scum between Dap, Wombat, and Despo.

 

How are we all not concentrating there right now? 

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

 

Still, this has been entertaining.  Did you catch Dawn slipping in to vote Red?

 

BTW, I think it's really between Despo and Womby at this point.  I'm feeling very townish on Dap.  The one thing that Lenlo did of significance before getting frozen was to make a more than casual case against Dap.  I don't think he would have done that to a fellow scum, especially just before baiting the Mod with the H stuff. 

[Tyler Glembo]

 

and another flipped townie.

hindsight

 

****STUFF*****

i was being facetious and fishing for reactions to the mention of no lynch

 

 

Hindsight is the strongest trail to follow when scumhunting beyond D1. 

 

As for being facetious AND fishing for reactions, bad logic much?  Either you were doing one of the other.  Facetious means pure joke.  Fishing for reactions means you werent' joking at all and had a serious purpose.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

I'd like to point something out apparently everybody has freaking missed.

 

Mynd claimed Dreamer and says there IS scum between Dap, Wombat, and Despo.

 

How are we all not concentrating there right now? 

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

 

Still, this has been entertaining.  Did you catch Dawn slipping in to vote Red?

 

BTW, I think it's really between Despo and Womby at this point.  I'm feeling very townish on Dap.  The one thing that Lenlo did of significance before getting frozen was to make a more than casual case against Dap.  I don't think he would have done that to a fellow scum, especially just before baiting the Mod with the H stuff. 

 

 

Saw that, not sure if easily swayed townie based on Despo's 3 page take-over or scum follow.

 

I'm not sold on Dap, but I am more sold on Des.  Given that, PoE puts my vote on Wombat.

[Tyler Glembo]

  I'm feeling very townish on Dap.  The one thing that Lenlo did of significance before getting frozen was to make a more than casual case against Dap.  I don't think he would have done that to a fellow scum, especially just before baiting the Mod with the H stuff. 

 

 

Forgot to add this.  The scenes read like Lenlo got silenced for Hastur.  However, Hoof came in with MODSPEAK to specifically point out that he didn't kill Lenlo.  It's still possible scum team has a silencer, although less likely given that Hoof never denied silencing Lenlo.  So Lenlo could have cased Dap and then silenced himself, or it could have been due to mod baiting.  Either way, we don't really know.  Hence, I'm less sold about Dap.

 

Also, H stuff....you should go to Japan and do a google search.  Or just ask people to help you find some...heh.

[Myndrunner]

For all of us......here.  And yes, Tsuki, it IS a hammer game.

UNOFFICIAL Vote Count

Wombat(3)- Pral, Vos, TGlems

Red(2)- Des, Dawn
Des(2)- Red, mynd
Tsuki(1)- Clov
Mynd(1)- RTE


Not voting (6)- Wombat,  Player, Nyn, Nervo, Tsuki, Hallia,

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Deadline: 3AM 6 July EST
Countdown Timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140706T17&p0=1492&msg=End+of+Day+2&csz=1&swk=1

[Red2111]

I mainly wanted to point out the lolhypocrisy on Red's part here- so she says I'm linking players blahblahblah. Incidentally, linking players (which isn't scummy) is NOT setting up lynches! Setting up lynches is when you try having a predetermined read based on a flip that you're pushing for, in the attempts to then have someone to push the next day.

your arguing semantics despo.

 

saying "if tommy flips scum then Red is town" or "if tommy flips town then red is scum" is BOTH linking players and setting up lynches.

 

the link comes from tieing one persons alignment to another and the setting up lynches comes from stating "if flips X is town the Y is scum" link.

 

linking players alignments lie this IS "having a predetermined read based on a flip that you're pushing for"

 

 

 

Red says I'm "horribly wrong" this game..............

yes you are "horribly wrong" about me being scum.

 

 

which actually means she knows me to be town.

no it means that i know i'm town and know that your "reads" on my are wrong.

 

 

Otherwise, how could I be "wrong" about something or someone?

in hindsight you were wrong about Tommy being scummy. forsight you will be wrong about me flipping scum.

 

 

(hindsight, i was also wrong about darth flipping scum. go gawd a townie can be horribly wrong abotu something afer all) /tongue in cheek

 

 

I think she slips that in cause SHE knew I was wrong about Tommy,

no i knew and KNOW you are wrong about me

 

 

and momentarily forgot she was supposed to be handling me as a scum read. Cause yeah, scum aren't wrong. They're scum.

lmao i think every one will say i've been consistently on your ass from early on D1. heres no forgetting your scum cause you're glaringly obv scum

 

 

Complete and blatant slip on Red's part,

complete and blatant bullshanks twist on your part.

 

 

 

and I will likely be emphasizing this again for anyone that's skimming my case on Red. She is LOCK SCUM CONFIRMED.

you ARE and HAVE BEEN lockscum confirmed.

 

 

you led us on the tommy mislynch, i dont think the town is stupid enough to fall for your "leading them" on another Despo, irregardless of my arguments and cases on you

[Red2111]

 

 

I'd like to point something out apparently everybody has freaking missed.

 

Mynd claimed Dreamer and says there IS scum between Dap, Wombat, and Despo.

 

How are we all not concentrating there right now? 

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

 

Still, this has been entertaining.  Did you catch Dawn slipping in to vote Red?

 

BTW, I think it's really between Despo and Womby at this point.  I'm feeling very townish on Dap.  The one thing that Lenlo did of significance before getting frozen was to make a more than casual case against Dap.  I don't think he would have done that to a fellow scum, especially just before baiting the Mod with the H stuff.

 

 

Saw that, not sure if easily swayed townie based on Despo's 3 page take-over or scum follow.

 

I'm not sold on Dap, but I am more sold on Des.  Given that, PoE puts my vote on Wombat.

 

i'm not sold on Dap being town and it not being an early set up for distancing between the two of them. heavy FoS on anyone suggesting it wasn't. the entire situation is WIFOM, to be certain one way or the other means you have inside info on it.

 

 

but i am 100% lockclear on Womby.

[Myndrunner]

 

  I'm feeling very townish on Dap.  The one thing that Lenlo did of significance before getting frozen was to make a more than casual case against Dap.  I don't think he would have done that to a fellow scum, especially just before baiting the Mod with the H stuff. 

 

 

Forgot to add this.  The scenes read like Lenlo got silenced for Hastur.  However, Hoof came in with MODSPEAK to specifically point out that he didn't kill Lenlo.  It's still possible scum team has a silencer, although less likely given that Hoof never denied silencing Lenlo.  So Lenlo could have cased Dap and then silenced himself, or it could have been due to mod baiting.  Either way, we don't really know.  Hence, I'm less sold about Dap.

 

Also, H stuff....you should go to Japan and do a google search.  Or just ask people to help you find some...heh.

 

 

To clarify on both the Lenlo freezing and my Dreamer/Nightmare status:

 

I don't know if you recall, but I also invoked the same name three times to test it out.  I placed my vote on Tommy because if I got frozen too, I wanted it there on who I felt was the most scummy at the time.

 

Instead of being frozen, I was told that I would have a Nightmare during the night where I could submit three names and I would either be told if at least one is mafia, if all of them are innocent, AND I had a 33% chance of dying. It was essentially a one-shot Dreamer deal with the chance of brutal cerebral murder.  I was also told that this would not work like those wonderful toys floating around here.  It was something much different. 

 

I actually was going to select Red/RTE/Dap until the Tommy flip.  I held off for a long while before submitting the names. I chose Dap/Des/Womby.  I was told at least one of them is mafia.  By POE, I think Des/Womby would be a good lynch.

 

So since this was my result for the H business, I'm positive that Lenlo's silencing was a direct result of invoking that name.

[Myndrunner]

@Red - Are you 100% lockclear on Womby only because Des voted him?  Or are there other reasons?  Abridged version, please.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

Saw that, not sure if easily swayed townie based on Despo's 3 page take-over or scum follow.

 

I'm not sold on Dap, but I am more sold on Des.  Given that, PoE puts my vote on Wombat.

 

i'm not sold on Dap being town and it not being an early set up for distancing between the two of them. heavy FoS on anyone suggesting it wasn't. the entire situation is WIFOM, to be certain one way or the other means you have inside info on it.

 

 

but i am 100% lockclear on Womby.

 

 

Bolded 1: I'm not sold on Dap being town.  I'm also not sold on him being scum, either.  Why do you interpret me not being sold one way or another as suddenly having "inside info"? 

Also, Des looks mostly town to me and I think you're overly focused on him.

 

Bolded 2 : How?

[Red2111]

1. She misreps the hell out of me, saying my scum list is only people going at me... this is patently false. In fact, the main reason most of those people started going @ me and getting pissed with me is cause I THOUGHT THEY WERE SCUM IN THE FIRST PLACE. Red completely tries altering the actual timeline of events to make me look worse.

 

1 - either i "misrepped the hell out of you" or "i got my FoS on you partially false" which is it Despo. because if the list is only "partially false" then obv i didn't misrep the hell out of you over it.

 

and yes, at that time your list had 4 people on it. me, womby, tommy and RTE. all four of us were the main pushers for a Despo lynch.

 

 

 

2. She also says I'm playing D and no O, which is laughable considering that I was constantly talking about significant things I saw, not just focusing on defending myself.

you were only focusing on poeple who WERE GOING AT YOU. yes thats playing D with no O

 

(D with no O, means Defense with no Offense for people who aint into sports lingo)

 

 

In fact I don't think I bothered with defending myself much at all.

you're still only playing D right now by tunnel casing the main person hollering for your lynch.

 

i still have yet to see any O from you this game.

 

 

3. Emphasized: Look familiar? Wombat said this earlier, Red +1'd it, and now she's repeating the phrase on thread.

because its true.

 

 

 

4. Moar chainsaw defense of Lenlo by Red. If the US Navy saw this many pings on their radar, they'd all abandon ship and swim for their freaking lives.

and again, not a defense of Len, a defense of silenced layers in general

[Tyler Glembo]

 

 

  I'm feeling very townish on Dap.  The one thing that Lenlo did of significance before getting frozen was to make a more than casual case against Dap.  I don't think he would have done that to a fellow scum, especially just before baiting the Mod with the H stuff. 

 

 

Forgot to add this.  The scenes read like Lenlo got silenced for Hastur.  However, Hoof came in with MODSPEAK to specifically point out that he didn't kill Lenlo.  It's still possible scum team has a silencer, although less likely given that Hoof never denied silencing Lenlo.  So Lenlo could have cased Dap and then silenced himself, or it could have been due to mod baiting.  Either way, we don't really know.  Hence, I'm less sold about Dap.

 

Also, H stuff....you should go to Japan and do a google search.  Or just ask people to help you find some...heh.

 

 

To clarify on both the Lenlo freezing and my Dreamer/Nightmare status:

 

I don't know if you recall, but I also invoked the same name three times to test it out.  I placed my vote on Tommy because if I got frozen too, I wanted it there on who I felt was the most scummy at the time.

 

Instead of being frozen, I was told that I would have a Nightmare during the night where I could submit three names and I would either be told if at least one is mafia, if all of them are innocent, AND I had a 33% chance of dying. It was essentially a one-shot Dreamer deal with the chance of brutal cerebral murder.  I was also told that this would not work like those wonderful toys floating around here.  It was something much different. 

 

I actually was going to select Red/RTE/Dap until the Tommy flip.  I held off for a long while before submitting the names. I chose Dap/Des/Womby.  I was told at least one of them is mafia.  By POE, I think Des/Womby would be a good lynch.

 

So since this was my result for the H business, I'm positive that Lenlo's silencing was a direct result of invoking that name.

 

 

Interesting, it's not 100% but makes sense for Hastur naming.

[Red2111]

 

 

I'm feeling very townish on Dap.  The one thing that Lenlo did of significance before getting frozen was to make a more than casual case against Dap.  I don't think he would have done that to a fellow scum, especially just before baiting the Mod with the H stuff.

 

Forgot to add this.  The scenes read like Lenlo got silenced for Hastur.  However, Hoof came in with MODSPEAK to specifically point out that he didn't kill Lenlo.  It's still possible scum team has a silencer, although less likely given that Hoof never denied silencing Lenlo.  So Lenlo could have cased Dap and then silenced himself, or it could have been due to mod baiting.  Either way, we don't really know.  Hence, I'm less sold about Dap.

 

Also, H stuff....you should go to Japan and do a google search.  Or just ask people to help you find some...heh.

 

 

To clarify on both the Lenlo freezing and my Dreamer/Nightmare status:

 

I don't know if you recall, but I also invoked the same name three times to test it out.  I placed my vote on Tommy because if I got frozen too, I wanted it there on who I felt was the most scummy at the time.

 

Instead of being frozen, I was told that I would have a Nightmare during the night where I could submit three names and I would either be told if at least one is mafia, if all of them are innocent, AND I had a 33% chance of dying. It was essentially a one-shot Dreamer deal with the chance of brutal cerebral murder.  I was also told that this would not work like those wonderful toys floating around here.  It was something much different. 

 

I actually was going to select Red/RTE/Dap until the Tommy flip.  I held off for a long while before submitting the names. I chose Dap/Des/Womby.  I was told at least one of them is mafia.  By POE, I think Des/Womby would be a good lynch.

 

So since this was my result for the H business, I'm positive that Lenlo's silencing was a direct result of invoking that name.

 

 

i still have my reservations about you Mynd.  but i'll buy this for now, i'm more than happy with my vote in any case

 

 

@Red - Are you 100% lockclear on Womby only because Des voted him?  Or are there other reasons?  Abridged version, please.

 

for other reasons and i'm leaving it at that mynd.

 

 

 

 

Saw that, not sure if easily swayed townie based on Despo's 3 page take-over or scum follow.

 

I'm not sold on Dap, but I am more sold on Des.  Given that, PoE puts my vote on Wombat.

i'm not sold on Dap being town and it not being an early set up for distancing between the two of them. heavy FoS on anyone suggesting it wasn't. the entire situation is WIFOM, to be certain one way or the other means you have inside info on it.

 

 

but i am 100% lockclear on Womby.

 

 

Bolded 1: I'm not sold on Dap being town.  I'm also not sold on him being scum, either.  Why do you interpret me not being sold one way or another as suddenly having "inside info"? 

Also, Des looks mostly town to me and I think you're overly focused on him.

 

Bolded 2 : How?

 

Bolded 1 - my point was to peopel who are certain one way or the other, not fence sitting.  fence sitting on the Len WIFOM is posative imo.

 

anyone who is 100% lock scum or lock clear on dap because of Lens vote/silence is imo being opportunistic about obv WIFOM.

 

bolded 2: see the above

[Myndrunner]

[Tyler Glembo]

[unvote]Wombat[/unvote]

 

I'm going to go re-read Tommy's case on Dap before choosing to vote him or Despo.

[Tyler Glembo]

@Red - possibility that you're insane?

[Myndrunner]

Red, you obviously have information on Womby that can help steer us in the right direction.  You can choose to keep that info to yourself or share it with the rest of us.  I understand the need to keep somethings quiet but in this case, I think it would actually help the town more if you were open about it.  We have a strong chance to lynch a scum today and your kinda not being your normal self.  Even your banter with Des seems a bit forced. 

 

So....if you have information that clears Womby, maybe you should convince the rest of us because from my POE, it looks like it's gonna either be him or Des today. 

 

If it is a role thing, I wouldn't worry so much about that.  The mafia are reading this too and are likely making the same assumptions as I am.  If TG is scum, you are already outed.  There are a lot of wonderful toys that can protect you in addition to the possibility of some form of DOC role out there.  We could all be insane, but that is even more reason to come forward with what you have. 

[Tyler Glembo]

Red, you obviously have information on Womby that can help steer us in the right direction.  You can choose to keep that info to yourself or share it with the rest of us.  I understand the need to keep somethings quiet but in this case, I think it would actually help the town more if you were open about it.  We have a strong chance to lynch a scum today and your kinda not being your normal self.  Even your banter with Des seems a bit forced. 

 

So....if you have information that clears Womby, maybe you should convince the rest of us because from my POE, it looks like it's gonna either be him or Des today. 

 

If it is a role thing, I wouldn't worry so much about that.  The mafia are reading this too and are likely making the same assumptions as I am.  If TG is scum, you are already outed.  There are a lot of wonderful toys that can protect you in addition to the possibility of some form of DOC role out there.  We could all be insane, but that is even more reason to come forward with what you have. 

 

First, I think you mean Wombat.  Second, not necessarily as she might be insane.  But if we KNOW she is insane then we can use it.

[Tyler Glembo]

Insanity: A player who is Insane directs their Night Actions against a random target every Night, no matter what they do. Players are not told that they are Insane, although they are not forbidden from deducing it or trying to figure it out. Insanity cannot be cured, except by death.

 

 

 

Unless of course Red got the Glass of Leng item and assumes Bat not moving at night is ample evidence.

[Red2111]

@Red - possibility that you're insane?

 

 

 

Red, you obviously have information on Womby that can help steer us in the right direction.  You can choose to keep that info to yourself or share it with the rest of us.  I understand the need to keep somethings quiet but in this case, I think it would actually help the town more if you were open about it.  We have a strong chance to lynch a scum today and your kinda not being your normal self.  Even your banter with Des seems a bit forced. 

 

So....if you have information that clears Womby, maybe you should convince the rest of us because from my POE, it looks like it's gonna either be him or Des today. 

 

If it is a role thing, I wouldn't worry so much about that.  The mafia are reading this too and are likely making the same assumptions as I am.  If TG is scum, you are already outed.  There are a lot of wonderful toys that can protect you in addition to the possibility of some form of DOC role out there.  We could all be insane, but that is even more reason to come forward with what you have. 

 

make any assumption you want, the scum is welcome to as well, but people ought to know by know assumptions lead to making an ass out of ones self.

 

i whole heartedly dislike this fish for info.  Mynd i'm unsure about you.  you reek scum and then make townie posts then reek again and come back sounding townie *sigh*

 

TG is just starting to reek.

 

 

if you lot want to make assumptions about me lockclearing wombat thats fine, but i dont lock clear a person unless i have damn good reason too, and last night i got damn good reason too.

[Red2111]

i'm not the finder if thats what you're assuming.  and i only say this so the finder doesn't pull a bone head move and CC me <_<

[Myndrunner]

But....I.......*sigh*

 

The funny thing is, I'm still leaning more Despo than Womby right now despite Red's "defense" of Womby making him look even worse than he already was with me. 

 

Despo never questions  as to whether or not I am lying about my Dream/Nightmare/Felini Film/whatever read yet goes after RED and not Womby or Dap.  Why?  Dawn swoops in and votes Red almost as if she cut/pasted it from the Mafia QT.  To me, it looks like a planned and coordinated attack.  I always got the feel that Dawn was being coached this game and I think it is because she's on the Mafia QT.....and I think its with Despo.

 

Yet, Red is actually convincing me that she is scum with Womby.  She's 100% convinced he is town.  Her actions have been pretty scummy and she isn't catching the stuff like she normally does.  Red is EN FUEGO when she's town, but she's a terrible BSer.  I think she's BSing us. 

 

Dunno man.  I'm keeping my vote on Despo but could flip to Womby.  Where is that rodent anyways?