[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[Thane Vakarian]

i don't trust anybody here. The only people proven town are the ones that are dead....

[Andrej]

Thane, I believe in you

 

Become ThaneGOAT

 

Listen to your heart

 

[Verbal32]

Seriously RTE and Lazy need attention. 

 

Verbal - we are on Day 2, believe it or not. I could see this coming from you D3 onward if I haven't done shit and I'm going to be really mad at you if you are scum and you are doing this to me when I just started a new job. 

 

I'm going through the thread now, if I pass out, I will post everything when I wake up in the middle of the night. 

 

Aaaaaannnnnnd, time for a 180.

 

This clears Leelou, and for a very specific reason.  She won't use RL excuses to get fired up at me and talk about her new job in this way.  She knows better than most my stance on this stuff, so there is no way she's using it as a scum tactic.

 

Leelou is off the table for lynch and vig shot.  Thane, don't shoot her.

 

She's town, and she'll show it by coming more alive as the game goes on / she gets more time with her job.

 

 

FYI, this is how I read Leelou.  I either know for sure one way or the other, or I'm sorta kinda maybe sure.  When that happens, I pick the mostly likely (which I thought to be scum in this game) and wait for her retort.  This post was clear as crystal.

 

 

 

 

HERO CALLING IT:

 

Entirety of Mafia is in Hallia/Leelou/BFG/Tina/Vos

 

Outside chance of RTE uh-oh bus

 

Before Hallia's flip and Leelou's response to me, I'd have said yes to all but Tina.  Now that means I only agree somewhat on BFG and Vos.  This is now a drastically different game.  I need to re-assess all my clears, because I think I'm wrong on more than one.

 

 

 

 

@Vos: a Vig is supposed to work with town in order to eliminate scum. I couldn't really ask anyone D1, and i made a poor choice, unfortunately. I am not SK, and scum knows that i'm vig by now. So, exposing myself was a risky move, and i doubt i'll see the end of N2. Might as well make the best of the remaining time and try to eliminate the bad guys with town.

 

They most certainly do not necessarily know that.  You could easily be SK, and to them it doesn't matter - they want you dead regardless.

[Andrej]

Yeah - that Hallia flip kind of changed things.

 

What do you think about that hammer vote?

 

I could get behind a Lazy wagon - no doubt. Dude has literally no contribution thus far except to pull conversation back to the Vig/SK debate. I don't think he's been on any complete wagon yet either, red flag.

[Verbal32]

I'm not that concerned over the hammer - it was obvious that Hallia was the lynch, and she had already been back on thread and posting......sooooo, yeah.  Null for me.

[Leelou]

And I can go back to ing you, Verbal. 

 

Yeah - that Hallia flip kind of changed things.

 

What do you think about that hammer vote?

 

I could get behind a Lazy wagon - no doubt. Dude has literally no contribution thus far except to pull conversation back to the Vig/SK debate. I don't think he's been on any complete wagon yet either, red flag.

 

THANK YOU. Totally down to lynch him. Thoughts on RTE? 

[Verbal32]

Lazy's blatant buddying of me has not yet reached creepy levels yet, though.

[Thane Vakarian]

 

@Vos: a Vig is supposed to work with town in order to eliminate scum. I couldn't really ask anyone D1, and i made a poor choice, unfortunately. I am not SK, and scum knows that i'm vig by now. So, exposing myself was a risky move, and i doubt i'll see the end of N2. Might as well make the best of the remaining time and try to eliminate the bad guys with town.

 

They most certainly do not necessarily know that.  You could easily be SK, and to them it doesn't matter - they want you dead regardless.

 

the blue: it's not very reassuring

 

Lazy indeed seems like a good candidate. His game has felt off for some time already.

 

worst case scenario: cory, AJ, Des and verbal are scum, and we're all screwed (this is a joke, mind you!)

[Andrej]

UNOFFICIAL Votecount 2.05a

 

Hallia : 8 - AJ, Thane, Vos, Dice, Pray,Despo, Cory, Tina   (lynch)

Dice: 1 - RTE

Pral: 1 - Hallia

RTE: 1 - Leelou

Leelou: 1 - Verbal

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

Not Voting: Lazy, BFG

 

Deadline Thursday 8 pm GMT - Day 2 Deadline

 

lynch, so i'll harass the mods for a scene....

 

The problem I have is that I'm town reading most of the people on Hallia's wagon.

 

All 3 claimed PRs + Cory and me. That's 5/8 right there.

 

That hammer was Sketch City for me, personally. I think objectively Tina has made some decent points this game but how that came about really, really hurt my read on her. I get that Hallia was going to be lynched but I still feel like that was kind of premature. Her voting of Cory the last two Days and then following him onto a wagon (which should've been alarming to her) doesn't really make sense to me.

 

Lazy and BFG off any wagon bothers me. BFG hasn't been posting a ton lately and really just kind of focusing on little bits here and there - that's bothersome. Lazy is just straight up skating by at this point. Zero scum hunting and literally no voting pattern to be seen. I don't like him appearing after the Hallia coroner either to try and steer direction back to the Vig/SK debate

[Andrej]

And I can go back to ing you, Verbal. 

 

Yeah - that Hallia flip kind of changed things.

 

What do you think about that hammer vote?

 

I could get behind a Lazy wagon - no doubt. Dude has literally no contribution thus far except to pull conversation back to the Vig/SK debate. I don't think he's been on any complete wagon yet either, red flag.

 

THANK YOU. Totally down to lynch him. Thoughts on RTE?

 

I need to read him more. His votes have been kind of sheepy D1 (Dice then Pral at EOD) and I think someone raised a good point when they talked about how he is sticking to this PR thing. It makes him hard to read and a few others have mentioned potentially clearing him for it - that definitely isn't happening if I'm still alive though.

 

I don't like how he had Hallia as his highest scum read but voted elsewhere with the excuse that he's been wrong on her too many times in the past to want to actively lynch her unless for consolidation. Doesn't really make sense for THIS game.

[Andrej]

BFG/Lazy/RTE/Tina

 

Vos is kind of null for me atm - I don't think he's done anything extremely scummy but he is someone I'd be willing to revisit at a later point. Right now I really just think the scum team is playing UTR and letting the townies have an orgy of hate with each other.

 

Typical.

[Leelou]

Lazy's blatant buddying of me has not yet reached creepy levels yet, though.

 

>.> yes he is. 

[Leelou]

 

And I can go back to ing you, Verbal. 

 

Yeah - that Hallia flip kind of changed things.

 

What do you think about that hammer vote?

 

I could get behind a Lazy wagon - no doubt. Dude has literally no contribution thus far except to pull conversation back to the Vig/SK debate. I don't think he's been on any complete wagon yet either, red flag.

 

THANK YOU. Totally down to lynch him. Thoughts on RTE?

 

I need to read him more. His votes have been kind of sheepy D1 (Dice then Pral at EOD) and I think someone raised a good point when they talked about how he is sticking to this PR thing. It makes him hard to read and a few others have mentioned potentially clearing him for it - that definitely isn't happening if I'm still alive though.

 

I don't like how he had Hallia as his highest scum read but voted elsewhere with the excuse that he's been wrong on her too many times in the past to want to actively lynch her unless for consolidation. Doesn't really make sense for THIS game.

 

 

That was me. 

[Thane Vakarian]

Vig-pool so far: Lazy, BFG, RTE.

 

Maybes: dice (still not trusting him) , Tina, Vos.

 

Leelou and Verbal are playing as a team (that's what i feel), which is good if one is killed and flips town, worse if either one would be killed and flips scum

 

townfeel: cory, AJ, Des (even if he gave me a hard time) and Pral (been doing a lot better D2)

[nervositee]

BFG/Lazy/RTE/Tina

 

Vos is kind of null for me atm - I don't think he's done anything extremely scummy but he is someone I'd be willing to revisit at a later point. Right now I really just think the scum team is playing UTR and letting the townies have an orgy of hate with each other.

 

Typical.

 

Think you are painting the mood here a bit black

 

Annoying thing IMO about the Hallia lynch is that she kind of put herself in that spot (as she said herself, she had been "playing scummy"). So I'm not sure how much can be read from the train really. I still stand by my vote - even if I wish we hadn't mislynched again. Scum might very well have stood on the sidelines here (as you mentioned). 

 

Not sure how to feel about Leelou now. Verb lock-cleared (did I use  it right? :P) Leelou with some meta I can't confirm. It didn't sound like a gambit to me, but...

 

if they are scum together, I will never forgive myself >_<

[Verbal32]

Vig-pool so far: Lazy, BFG, RTE.

 

Maybes: dice (still not trusting him) , Tina, Vos.

 

Leelou and Verbal are playing as a team (that's what i feel), which is good if one is killed and flips town, worse if either one would be killed and flips scum

 

townfeel: cory, AJ, Des (even if he gave me a hard time) and Pral (been doing a lot better D2)

 

I like your vig pool, actually.  Your secondaries are ok, but I'm not ready to put Tina in there yet.  I'm still town on her from D1.

 

And you are correct on your assessment of Leelou and I.  I was not 100% sold, and this was the time to make a stand.  I chose what I felt was the more likely situation, and was wrong......but it only took 1 post of hers to clarify that for me, which is how I roll with reading her.  Yes, this is meta - but it is extremely reliable from the 6+ years we've been playing mafia together.  She won't use AtE and RL excuses to hide as scum.  She just doesn't work that way, and feels as strongly about that being outside the spirit of the game as I do.  I hate using that as a method to read her, but it is friggin' effective with her, so I'll use it anyway.  I only resort to that when I'm not 100% on her, which I wasn't.

 

But lemme tell ya - the responses to my case on her were gold.  I'm definitely misclearing a few folks.  Somebody without the potential bias that I have should reread the thread from my case on Leelou to now and see who pops as a little too excited.

[Thane Vakarian]

i'll head to bed (it was my birthday, so yeah, i had a nice evening) and i'll follow the progress through notification. I'll get up in 5 hours to go to work with no DM access.

 

Have a good one, and play nice *nods*

[Verbal32]

happy bday

[nervositee]

[Leelou]

Happy birthday

[Leelou]

 

 

Vig-pool so far: Lazy, BFG, RTE.

 

Maybes: dice (still not trusting him) , Tina, Vos.

 

Leelou and Verbal are playing as a team (that's what i feel), which is good if one is killed and flips town, worse if either one would be killed and flips scum

 

townfeel: cory, AJ, Des (even if he gave me a hard time) and Pral (been doing a lot better D2)

I like your vig pool, actually. Your secondaries are ok, but I'm not ready to put Tina in there yet. I'm still town on her from D1.

 

And you are correct on your assessment of Leelou and I. I was not 100% sold, and this was the time to make a stand. I chose what I felt was the more likely situation, and was wrong......but it only took 1 post of hers to clarify that for me, which is how I roll with reading her. Yes, this is meta - but it is extremely reliable from the 6+ years we've been playing mafia together. She won't use AtE and RL excuses to hide as scum. She just doesn't work that way, and feels as strongly about that being outside the spirit of the game as I do. I hate using that as a method to read her, but it is friggin' effective with her, so I'll use it anyway. I only resort to that when I'm not 100% on her, which I wasn't.

 

But lemme tell ya - the responses to my case on her were gold. I'm definitely misclearing a few folks. Somebody without the potential bias that I have should reread the thread from my case on Leelou to now and see who pops as a little too excited.

I'm more awake today, I'll go through and look.

[Verbal32]

k

[Leelou]

I also want to see if anyone changed and called me town after you cased me.

[Leelou]

WAIT! I have HORRIBLE feelings from Cory. He's the one that pushed me that hardest on my Hallia read, and I'm getting ready to quote this next bit, but he picked up the ball and ran 100 yards for a TD with pushing I was scum after Verbal's case. Also, he tried to tie me incredibly tightly to Hallia (town) and BFG (likely scum) before getting any sort of flips. No me gusta. Not sure how much I like AJ agreeing with him so quickly, but I more get a townie vibe from AJ. Dice thought my posts were townie, but is weary and Lazy put me in a town lean. 

 

 

 

Hallia and Leelou actually fit as scum together pretty darn well

 

Dice would spewed heavily town as well

 

Around 30 capture reads were

 

Town: Cory, Clov, Tina, Nyn, Hallia, Verb, Leelou

NTT: BFG, AJ

Null: Thane, RTE, Lazy

NTS: Despot, Pral, Mish

Scum: Dice

 

Her biggest points until then were her frustration with Des' casing (which is a towntell more than not, but shocker he's in NTS), a snipe or two @ RTE (who she is going after now, but placed null then despite the snipes coming beforehand)

 

Pral and Dice would be heavily spewed town if I'm looking ahead

 

I'm starting to feel my scumsenses coming alive

 

 

 

 

 

That was kind of unexpected.

 

It felt good though

 

Felt right

 

Whatcha thinking bout Leelou?

 

I agree. If there's anyone who would be able to raise the red flag irt Leelou, it'd be him.

 

I could get behind it - still prefer the Hallia lynch though. Overall there's just a huge lack of logical explanation for her actions and her responses now are bordering AtE. Leelou voting her and now changing wagons would also fit with a scum/scum agenda of helping to dissipate the wagon toward EOD.

 

 

 

don't call it a comeback

 

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

 

 

 

If it ends up being true, we can consider my wrist slapped by Cory, lol.

 

That's where I'm thinking as well.

 

---

 

Question:  why Pral "spewed" town?  I see Dice, but I think I'm missing the reason Pral would be.....

 

---

 

I think our super early style is extremely similar in theory, but very different in execution.  I've been thinking about this for a few days, actually.  It will cause us to butt heads a lot regardless of alignment.  This is always going to make me suspicious of you because I'll have a hard time reading you if you always open like this game (which I think you do).

 

I also admittedly put a sometimes unreasonable amount of weight behind a dead townies reads if I really agreed with them while they were alive based on the info available in the thread at that moment.  So I am largely suspicious of you still simply because I agreed so much with Clov.  That might be the wrong way to approach it, but YOLO.  ;-)

 

 

1 Cory "wrist slap" Curren, here to tell you all of your arguments are town-town

 

2 EOD1, Hal/Lee were big parts of the CFD that brewed on Pral. Lazy might be another townspew from that EOD. One of the reasons I like to keep the wagons close® and longer to EOD is because scum get put in pressure situations near deadline and have to act more towards their motives IE lynching a townie or moving away from a teammate rapidly. There would be a lot, but I'd reread for stuff when I got a scum flip. AJ can attest to my ability to spewread town, but nobody listened to me in TRW  

 

3. At this point I feel I'm pretty close to a concrete solve and A) I have decent chances of getting killed and if I don't B) I am going to run a table on the Mafia and then spend a great deal of time unnecessarily teabagging you over and over again, so YOLO ;-)

 

 

 

Though Des I think you were right irt to Leelou at the beginning of the game so maybe it'll be one-for-me one-for-you

 

 

Hallia, talk to me about Leelou and BFG

 

 

 

 

Brosef - you posted this quote earlier but I'm not really following what you were getting at.

 

LMK  

 

BFG calls out Des for "misrepping" Leelou but it's mostly light semantic stuff. This happens after the dust clears on Leelou and votes pile in for Dice.

 

 

 

Cory, you post too much. 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

Well, yes, but she specifically FoSes Des for his representation of Leelou. I didn't agree with his case at the time, but I believe Des meant it.

 

You could interpret this as

 

 

 

ok. So I was all hopeful I would get in before the lunch by I missed out by maybe 2 hours. But I would still have no idea who to vote for. 

 

Can I delegate my vote to verbal? I trust him as town and love him like a cousin. Not quite a brother but family still I guess. I guess I could return to sender cause its all unknown.

 

Also how important is rereading? I feel like I cant be bothered cause I am getting less time to be online at the moment and the page counts are still jumping up (is this normal for a standard game and a non verbal crazy assault course game?)

 

So thane. Are you sure about the list of NK? I get a bit of a null feel from BFG (I love you outside of this still though, even if you are an archer), Hallia flipped town and I kinda leaning town on leelou. Can you self target like dice did? Just wonder what the outcome would be? Dont be cruel

 

[Leelou]

Vos, Pral, Des and Thane were around, but never made it clear exactly what their read was on me during that time. Vos and Thane spoke about how other people are reading me, but I didn't see any firm stance.