[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[Cory Caboose]

Something I forgot to mention-

 

Cory, I don't know how you expect us to receive that Arthur Dent claim, along with you saying you'll pretty much never role claim. I mean... wth dude? Obv you'd know that claiming a major character as town will likely make mafia wanna NK you anyways in the chance that you are roled, and fake claiming a major character would just be dumdum as town. So I don't follow at all why'd youd character claim like that so quickly, yet act adamant about not role-claiming, when the role-claim would likely get attention off you from townies quicker than a character claim (any game where character claims are allowed I expect the mod to hand out fake claims, so in other words I completely disregard any character claims I see).

 

I'm kinda worried that Clov might have made an excellent point, about how you character claimed quickly in the WWE game but didn't role claim (when you we're scum)

 

I dislike this argument for one major reason:

 

In WWE I character claimed Day 3 with a comparative investigator result on me, was basically being lynched and was trying to weasel out of it in any way I could.

 

Let's say I'm Mafia this game and Arthur Dent is one of our supplied fakeclaims. How much of a selfish prick do I have to be to draw a huge amount of attention to myself by blowing up @ you, then going to my Mafia QT and taking our "great" fakeclaim away from the rest of my team because I couldn't defuse the pressure myself?

 

There are basically two reasons I ever claim A) I'm Mafia and about to get lynched and am trying to buy time / lead the lynch away from me B) I'm so frustrated with someone I want to show them how wrong they are

 

That's basically it

 

[Cory Caboose]

Also comparing me to geript was pretty shitty and completely off the mark. Show me one post I've made this game that had even a SMIDGEON of the shitposting he became infamous for.

 

You should really reread your post @ me because it's seriously lolbad

[Cory Caboose]

Like, I was less mad about Geript because I don't know Geript as a player and I didn't realize how legitimately poorly he could play as a villager

 

I don't have low standards for you

[Thane Vakarian]

So, i'll just be honest here: with the amount of posting, i'm continiously catching up.. it's ridiculous. As for cory, what you said is true, i have no real agenda. Besides looking for scum that is. I watch people's recent actions and see if they conflict with the previous feel i got from them.

 

I asked AJ and everybody else to tell me who they think is scum (and why). If all the players present would like to do so, that'd be great. I know i might look bad for my vote on dice, but my gut feeling won't let me unvote him.

[Cory Caboose]

I don't understand why you reacted the way you did. In Blood Bowl, your reaction didn't necessarily seem appropriate, but I also kinda understood WHY you reacted the way you did- Tommy WAS being kinda antagonistic to you. I've thrown a couple little jabs your way, but they were meant to be received with love. I haven't thrown any jabs when I seriously laid out my thoughts on you.

 

 

Yo.

 

Cory I have soooooo much difficulty seeing how you think Thane is villa. Not only does he look fairly scummy to me this game, he's also new so reading him really won't be that easy. His vote on Dice was wretched.

 

In fact- [unvote] , [v]Thane[/v]

 

If he flips scum, its official Cory CANNOT BE TRUSTED THIS GAME

 

I did not receive this with love nor did I think love was the intent behind it

"Cory has a villager lean I don't like! Let's vote him, and Cory should be held responsible for his alignment!"

 

I might MQ the other posts that bother me as I reread but I might not because honestly every time you post my desire to play this game deflates and my stomach turns

[csarmi]

Votecount 1.09

 

Verbal: 1 - Lazy

Dice: 3 - Leelou, Thane, Tina

Thane: 1 - Despo

Cory: 1 - Clov

Despo: 1 - Cory

Hallia: 2 - Andrej, Dice

Lazy: 1 - Nyn

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

 

Not voting: BFG, Pray, Verbal, Hally, Nervositee, RTE

 

Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Des: If we want to continue this discussion, let's go point-by-point.

 

Well at least in that post your frustration looks like it could be genuine.

 

Alright well if you wanna thunderdome, that's fine with me. I won't back down, especially not when you always say youll never try to lynch me or Tom D1 cause were too valuable if town and yet now think no one else should be lynched besides us two, which I think is incredibly 

 

Look at it from my perspective Cory. There's been three people that I can recall easily you being challenged about after townreading them. In each case, you grew irritated and confrontational about saying WHY they seemed town, which doesn't make sense at all to me since that's how the game is played. You talk about your reads. Each one specifically tho is a bit strange-

 

While I have certainly done it before, when have you ever seen me fake frustration as Mafia? I can think of 2-3 games we have played in where I have gone off the rails frustrated with another player.

VS Hunt II: With LoganAura and probably the most hostile I have ever gotten in a Mafia game. I was town and went full GOAT later in the game.

Blood Bowl: With Tom during Day 1. Was leader of town-supporting Indy faction and played a GOAT town game and a giant part of scum being stomped enroute to one of the best town victories in the history of WF.

Twilight Mini-Mafia: With Darthe and then some. I was town lovers with BFG.

The Red Wedding: Well, with everyone, basically. I was town cop with Andrej.

 

You have seen me as Mafia twice in our entire history of Mafia together.

 

VS Hunt II, first boot: tried to infiltrate and control Tommy-Des powertown group, failed.

Real Genius: Played town leader post-Tommy death until getting shot by Pral.

 

1. So, please tell me where YOU got the notion that it's a Mafia treat for me to fake frustration.

 

As for the "I-Don't-Lynch-Certain-Players", that was something I said to Tommy at some point during Blood Bowl. I don't think I have ever said it in regards to you, but I will lynch anyone if I believe they are Mafia. Moreso, me and Tom's meta has changed drastically over the past few months and the concept of the #alliance is a dead horse that really never lived in the idea that I hold "pre-game alliances".

 

The argument from Tom is that I think he's too good of a wolf for me to ever be able to catch him on Day 1, and that I would usually need a few phases to figure out if his progression is pro-town. 2. Please tell me where you got the notion that you are on some magic no-lynch list on Day 1.

 

I don't remember "growing irritated and confrontational" about my townreads. I have grown irritated with certain players, but before last night all I can really remember is me and Verbal hashing some things out and I got frustrated with him at some point, but it passed quickly and we at least understood eachother. IIRC I got tired of explaining my AJ townread, but I was also very transparent at explaining it. I guess I will go through each of these one-by-one.

 

 

Leelou- you cleared her faster than anyone besides Tina. A few took exception to this, and later challenged you on it. You said she was trying to figure things out. When challenged on THAT, you quoted her response to the vig question from Clov. But that post (iirc) came AFTER you had already "cleared" her. Strike 1.

 

 

I responded to this in brief here:

 

 

 

I read about his first three paragraphs and I'm legit done with this. He says I mishandled my clearing of Leelou - first problem is I NEVER CLEARED LEELOU. I said she was > rand to be villa because her snap vote on Tina for drawing attention to herself was more likely to come from a villager. She's been in my green pile (see: light villager) for that and that she seems to be paying attention (ie the vig post that apparently came "after I cleared Leelou")

What blows my goddamn mind about this is that Des keeps crying about how I'm not clearing him, says I'm mishandling Leelou for clearing her WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN RIGHT GODDAMN NEXT TO EACHOTHER ON MY LIGHT VILLA LIST

 

 

but since the onus is on my to provide evidence, here is my progression on Leelou:

 

 

from the hip, not enough that i feel the need to reread ATM

 

no wolves yet, but i got a handful of villagers

 

Andrej
Tina

BFG
Thane

Leelou 

 

everyone else is varying degrees of null i don't feel like arbitrarily sorting out

 

i guess if there's any onus of pressure it would be on Nyn, Verb, Des and Clov as they have enough content and they haven't hit the villager list but a lot of people haven't said much of anything yet so I'm a couple miles away from a vote

 

I will eventually read Clov's soul but he hasn't been too visible yet

 

 

Leelou seem interested in figuring things out, which is something I didn't see at all in her scum game - she was more reactionary

Tina being willing to draw potentially negative attention to herself early is her biggest towntell imo, she's another player I think I can read very well. I misread her in.... Mass Effect? and took a little more time to look over her games awhile ago and I think I understand the way she thinks pretty well

 

3. So, Des, where did I clear Leelou? In fact, IIRC, the only people to take exception to that read were Leelou and you, and I don't remember being "prickly" about it.

 

Onus would be on you to support your own evidence here. My progression on Leelou is about as linear as possible. 4. She put a legitimate (but probably wrong) vote down early which basically cleared out the "we're all friends" page 1 of Day 1. I said she was > rand to be a villager, but nowhere have I ever said she was clear.

 

My later progression, as stated previously, irt to Despot's placement:

 

Meh, go big or go home

 

Still no active howlers, but I feel okay about my greens and great about my blues

 

Nulls are in no real order

 

Tina
Andrej

 

Thane
BFG

Verbal

Lazy

Leelou 

Despo

Clov

Nynaeve

 

 

Pralaya

Mish

RTE
Hallia

Dice

 

Too many villagers not enough wolves ATM, which actually is a super good thing

 

Maybe I'm just the optimist this game and we are all town?

 

So no, I don't really know what to address about this in particular considering it's a fabrication.

 

Will keep going.

 

 

1. Again, I never said it was a mafia tell for you to fake frustration as you put it, which is kinda funny considering you're presupposing that the frustration was faked, nor did I say it was a mafia tell for you to be frustrated. In fact, the only thing I said about you being frustrated is that it seemed more genuine to me, which is actually the OPPOSITE of what you were trying to say I was doing.

 

2. Do you seriously want me to dig through other games to prove this? You HAVE put me in pretty much the same category as Tom before when defending the #Alliance to naysayers. You say it more often about Tommy, but you have said before that I too would be a difficult wolf to catch and would prob need multiple phases to figure that out, and that you wouldn't lynch me Day 1. Kinda surprised you're saying you HAVEN'T said this in fact. Not hurt, cause Idgaf if you want to lynch me D1 or not, but still surprised.

 

3. Here's actually where you FIRST "cleared" (and I'll get to that in a mo) Leelou:

 

Tina and Leelou > rand villas

Rollin rollin rollin

 

 

This came after Leelou's vote on Tina (which imo looked more like a joke vote at the time, 4. and iirc Leelou even said it was a joke vote), and Tina's obviously joke-OMGUS vote on Leelou.

 

Now, personally I don't feel clearing people for putting out the first joke votes of the game is very responsible, or smart to do. This was part of what first made me wary of you while catching up (along with seeing Leelou as a bit scummy).

 

As for me saying you were "clearing" her, co mon mon. Don't play the semantics issue up more than it already has. "Clearing" to me is clearing people from the potential lynch pool for the day. You had her in your POE. You cleared her. End of story.

 

Someone else challenged you about Leelou as well, can't remember who. But you came back and said she seemed like she was figuring stuff out, you didn't make any mention of her earlier vote which you apparently HAD cleared her for. Then when challenged on THAT, you quoted her response to Clov's question about who she would vig.

 

Now, let's just surpass if she really was trying to "figure stuff out" in that post or not (I disagree, but meh). Thing is, SHE WAS PROMPTED FOR A GAMEPLAY POST THERE. Saying someone's response to someone else's prompt seems like them "figuring stuff out" just seems disingenuous to me. If they were genuinely trying to figure stuff out, why did they need to be prompted for a gameplay post?

[Cory Caboose]

You do understand by saying "at least your frustration seems genuine" you are saying that there is the potential that I would fake frustation?

 

I do not understand how you don't get this.

 

1. I don't remember Leelou ever saying it was a joke vote, and lol @ the idea that someone is just "permanently removed" from my lynch pool. During reread, yeah, I can absolutely admit my read on Leelou was pretty thin. I've given reads on players for thinner things - I prefer doing that than having no opinion on a player when I like or do not like a certain post.

 

2. You want to put yourself in the same category as Tom, that's your choice. Me and Tom have it out on Day 1 one more often than ever and the #alliance days are long dead. If I think you are the day's best lynch I will try to lynch you no matter who you are. Tommy tends to never be the day's best lynch.

 

3. I guess we'll get to semantics on "clearing" soon enough.

 

4. On reread I am happy to admit that thru 20 this is my list on Leelou

 

Tina vote

FoS @ Des

FoS @ Thane

Confident can read Verbal

Thinks she should be clear?

+ Paying attention to Mish for potential post restriction

?? FoS @ Me

 

And she's a really thin villager read, but she posts a lot more after this so I'll have more then

 

She was at the bottom of my greens, but the thread up to that point had been pretty damn villagery

 

I don't even know how to deal with you if you think I cleared/removed Leelou from POE ~20 posts in - My initial run of the thread is in realtime and I play as transparent as possible. See every villager game I've ever played of more examples of me poking and prodding throughout the thread, rereading after and coming back with better information

[hazelkrs1]

Cory I take it you're still gonna be up for a while, right?

[Cory Caboose]

Someone else challenged you about Leelou as well, can't remember who. But you came back and said she seemed like she was figuring stuff out, you didn't make any mention of her earlier vote which you apparently HAD cleared her for. Then when challenged on THAT, you quoted her response to Clov's question about who she would vig.

 

First part of this:

 

On page 16, conversing with Clov

 

 

 

 

from the hip, not enough that i feel the need to reread ATM

 

no wolves yet, but i got a handful of villagers

 

Andrej

Tina

BFG

Thane

Leelou 

 

everyone else is varying degrees of null i don't feel like arbitrarily sorting out

 

i guess if there's any onus of pressure it would be on Nyn, Verb, Des and Clov as they have enough content and they haven't hit the villager list but a lot of people haven't said much of anything yet so I'm a couple miles away from a vote

 

I will eventually read Clov's soul but he hasn't been too visible yet

 

Where's the Andre read coming from, and to a lesser degree, BFG and Thane?  You said Tina and Leelou were had an increased chance of town after their voting, but I haven't seen anything that really makes me feel confident in anybody's chances to be town so far.

 

 

I responded on AJ, BFG and Thane, and after (on my own accord) elaborated on my reads on Tina and Leelou

 

Leelou seem interested in figuring things out, which is something I didn't see at all in her scum game - she was more reactionary

Tina being willing to draw potentially negative attention to herself early is her biggest towntell imo, she's another player I think I can read very well. I misread her in.... Mass Effect? and took a little more time to look over her games awhile ago and I think I understand the way she thinks pretty well

 

 

So if you're saying it's suspicious that I didn't mentioned their "early voting", it probably has something to do with it being an elaboration on an exchange I had with Clov when he said "Well, I get you had villager leans on Tina and Leelou for their early voting"

 

are you starting to understand why this is getting under my skin?

[Cory Caboose]

Cory I take it you're still gonna be up for a while, right?

If you have anything, I would ask it now and save the WoTs for later because I need to step away from this game again soon

[hazelkrs1]

Meh just walk away. You're still responding emotionally which isn't really helping anyone. This way I can knock out the audit real quick.

[Cory Caboose]

Trust me, there will never be a point in this game where I will not respond somewhat emotionally when you FoS me for things that didn't happen, are taken out of context, are misrepresentations of situations you weren't even involved in, or are hilariously misconstrued 

 

With someone else, I'd correct them and whistle away. You are above doing that with me, and you know that I'll get volatile with someone if I think they are just saying things to say things.

 

And no, it doesn't make you Mafia, but it makes you irritating to deal with. As I explained to Thugo, I care more about maintaining my equity as a villager (in case I REALLY NEED TO USE IT AND GET PEOPLE TO FOLLOW ME QUICKLY) than I do about "making friends" in a game.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Cory, I'm not trying to fos you for stuff that didn't happen, or misrep you, or snipe at you, or really any of the crap you're accusing me of. I'm clearly stating WHY I'm suspicious of you, but some of those suspicions could come from misunderstandings or me just forgetting crap.

 

Calm down and turn The Narrator off before you come back, and if you do I might just be able to see that you are town after all

[Cory Caboose]

 

Cory, I'm not trying to fos you for stuff that didn't happen, or misrep you, or snipe at you, or really any of the crap you're accusing me of. I'm clearly stating WHY I'm suspicious of you, but some of those suspicions could come from misunderstandings or me just forgetting crap.

 

Calm down and turn The Narrator off before you come back, and if you do I might just be able to see that you are town after all

 

I have a serious response to this written up but I'm not sure you'd like to hear it.

 

I haven't been lethargic at all, so don't know why you think I'm in "Narrator mode" at all; I've been doing a good deal of #werk and I am happy with where I am atm.

 

You are going to have to decide soon if you are working with me or against me.

[Cory Caboose]

The first six words of my srs post are "Stop using that roll eyes gif"

 

I would recommend you at least take that to heart.

[hazelkrs1]

Then stop inducing my eyes to roll

[Cory Caboose]

Keep it to yourself

[hazelkrs1]

WTF IS WRONG WITH MY BROWSER?!?!?!?!?!

 

RAAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEE

[Cory Caboose]

I'm not going to hold this thread hostage or let myself get irate again and I doubt you'd be this bullheaded and stubborn as Mafia when I've given you outs and you know making an enemy of me is not good a thing for you regardless of the situation

 

I am moving on from you unless I see something on my reread but so far I have not given you anything but a few villager tacks

 

But I will be treating you as a hostile villager and I will do my best to drag you to victory kicking and screaming

 

You will either need to decide that I am Mafia and make a case on me that isn't "misunderstandings and crap you've forgotten" and we can get serious or move on and stop sniping me

 

I do not care which you decide

[hazelkrs1]

Keep it to yourself

Hehe made me think of this:

 

http://youtu.be/4A6Bu96ALOw

[hazelkrs1]

I'm not going to hold this thread hostage or let myself get irate again and I doubt you'd be this bullheaded and stubborn as Mafia when I've given you outs and you know making an enemy of me is not good a thing for you regardless of the situation

 

I am moving on from you unless I see something on my reread but so far I have not given you anything but a few villager tacks

 

But I will be treating you as a hostile villager and I will do my best to drag you to victory kicking and screaming

 

You will either need to decide that I am Mafia and make a case on me that isn't "misunderstandings and crap you've forgotten" and we can get serious or move on and stop sniping me

 

I do not care which you decide

If it makes you feel even better I've decided I DO think you're scum

 

[Cory Caboose]

Kicking

 

 

and screaming

 

[hazelkrs1]

</3 @ Chrome

[Cory Caboose]

 

I'm not going to hold this thread hostage or let myself get irate again and I doubt you'd be this bullheaded and stubborn as Mafia when I've given you outs and you know making an enemy of me is not good a thing for you regardless of the situation

 

I am moving on from you unless I see something on my reread but so far I have not given you anything but a few villager tacks

 

But I will be treating you as a hostile villager and I will do my best to drag you to victory kicking and screaming

 

You will either need to decide that I am Mafia and make a case on me that isn't "misunderstandings and crap you've forgotten" and we can get serious or move on and stop sniping me

 

I do not care which you decide

If it makes you feel even better I've decided I DO think you're scum