[Advanced] Star Wars Thrawn Mafia, Heir To The Empire, Town and 3rd party win

[Tommyrod]

Are you the last scum? I wanna know who it is at least.

[hazelkrs1]

This is getting silly. Am I lock clear yet?

You're literally as far away from LOCK CLEAR as Tommy can be at this stage of the game.

 

Why did you essentially never try pointing out ANYTHING scummy about Hallia or Kronos? You're still top poster here by almost a hundred posts, yet you're willing to COMPLETELY defer on reads for the two players that just happened to flip scum?

 

Why did you try so hard to link TG to townies D2? And why did you cling to the chance of lynching someone other than TG for as long as mafianly possible? (yup, just made that up, and yup, it's awesome lol)

 

Why have you essentially deserted trying to do #work in this game since like D2?

 

Why did you have ZERO reaction to TWO STRAIGHT scum flips?

 

Why are you sooooooo wolfy?

[hazelkrs1]

Are you the last scum? I wanna know who it is at least.

Co Mon Mon.

 

You self-voted once. Do it again.

 

You yourself essentially admitted there's really no realistic scenario where I could be scum this game.

 

YOU'RE the last scum. Do town a favor.

[hazelkrs1]

You know Tommy that you don't have much of a play here right? This vote isn't going to random, I assure you. If I end up having to vote myself to let town see my flip, I will. And then you'll be lynched next, regardless of who you NK.

 

The only reason you'd even be able to get it to that point tho is by manipulating one of your friends (Monk), and using the awful inactivity of another (Poppets). I know you don't want to feel dirty. I would feel dirty, having to rely on that sort of thing lol.

 

As Spike Lee said, do the right thing.

 

[Tommyrod]

It has to be you, right? You instantly cooled on me being scum when I self voted, then started looking for anyone else that could be lynched (Dice, SP), then took it all back when you saw Cory was WTL me in the end. 

[hazelkrs1]

I wanted to see if I was wrong about you cause part of my case was dependant on the fact that you have been so ambivalent for so long, and your explanation seemed like it could have possibly been genuine. Prompted me to make sure on everyone else. And Cory was right, you really are trying to cling to the chances of lynching anyone but yourself today.

 

You start off with a gentle nudge against Cory, something you kind of repeated recently (you literally tried suggesting him and Poppets could be scum together, even tho this was a mathematical impossibility lol). Then you went on me. Once I addressed again how I CAN NOT be scum (cause seriously, there is no realistic way you can peg me as scum considering the aggregate of my behavior this game and my contributions in getting scum lynched as well as scum pushing on me), you then followed me on pretty much every name I brought up, making sure to keep your options open on who you could lynch

 

I on the other hand, did my due diligence. After discussing the possibility of someone being scum, I went back to see if this made sense, and crossed their name off the list again. You just tried your best to keep the suspicion open. This is how you outed yourself.

[Tommyrod]

Like Tina and Turin outed themselves, right? XD

[hazelkrs1]

Be a pal Tommy. You have no angle here left to play.

 

There is no scenario where you come out on top here.

 

/Tony Stark'ed

[Tommyrod]

I think it's my responsibility to perform due diligence here myself and at least protest my death given the fact that I actually am town.

I'm calling you out as the most likely to be scum if I get hammered, so you'll have a big day ahead of you tomorrow if it is fact not you (though it really only makes sense for it to be you since everyone else is cleared somehow).

[dicetosser1]

des i didnt just rely on the claim. As i said some of the things you said yesterday made me sus  the claim just added to that. Youre right i should have checked you but i was lurker wary.

 

As for the name  im actually surprised the last name was included at all. I never thought it a MOD given safe claim  was thinking you picked one you thought would be safe but flubbed the name. As for relying on them...in big theme games like this i do think the charcter gives a certain amount of info. For example claiming Jabba is NEVER gonna get people going "oh! so ure town then for sure!" If the mods going to change that like DPRs Scooby game we would get told.  

[hazelkrs1]

I think it's my responsibility to perform due diligence here myself and at least protest my death given the fact that I actually am town.

 

I'm calling you out as the most likely to be scum if I get hammered, so you'll have a big day ahead of you tomorrow if it is fact not you (though it really only makes sense for it to be you since everyone else is cleared somehow).

I'm cleared as much as Monk, Dice, Poppets and Cory.

 

Again, you have no avenue left.

[Tommyrod]

Monk - Vig

Dice - Cop

SP - Cop Viewed

Cory - Survivor Mason

Des - Dun dun scummmmm

[hazelkrs1]

des i didnt just rely on the claim. As i said some of the things you said yesterday made me sus the claim just added to that. Youre right i should have checked you but i was lurker wary.

 

As for the name im actually surprised the last name was included at all. I never thought it a MOD given safe claim was thinking you picked one you thought would be safe but flubbed the name. As for relying on them...in big theme games like this i do think the charcter gives a certain amount of info. For example claiming Jabba is NEVER gonna get people going "oh! so ure town then for sure!" If the mods going to change that like DPRs Scooby game we would get told.

You should never rely on character claims in big theme games, period. Its completely unreliable, and that practice has led to disaster numerous times for town.

 

Mod can give safe fake claims.

 

Mod can not keep too much to the theme and can mix up roles and characters.

 

Fact is, if character claims could solve the game, then the mod didn't do their job, period. Because that kind of thing is something totally out of Scum's control, who their themed character is. No mod worth their salt will allow the mafia team to be undone by character claims. Basel and Cindy are AMAZING mods. As most on DM are.

 

THIS is why relying on character claims is so foolish. At that point its not a mafia game, it's "Guess who" (remember that game? They recently updated it to make it more politically correct. Sadly, they did not include any vampire werewolf zombie rock stars. My suit with the ACLU is still in progress)

[hazelkrs1]

Monk - Vig

Dice - Cop

SP - Cop Viewed

Cory - Survivor Mason

 

Des - Dun dun scummmmm

How do you know Monk is a Vig? Could be a SK

 

How do you know Dice is Cop? Could be that Pray was town's only investigative role

 

How do you know Puppets isn't a GF or Mirror? Common scum roles here.

 

How do you know Cory is Survivor Mason? Would be the perfect fake claim to fall back on.

 

Your simplistic manner of "clearing" these people is completely flawed. After all, you yourself were completely open to voting just about any number of these people just a number of hours ago.

[Tommyrod]

 

Monk - Vig

Dice - Cop

SP - Cop Viewed

Cory - Survivor Mason

 

Des - Dun dun scummmmm

How do you know Monk is a Vig? Could be a SK

 

How do you know Dice is Cop? Could be that Pray was town's only investigative role

 

How do you know Puppets isn't a GF or Mirror? Common scum roles here.

 

How do you know Cory is Survivor Mason? Would be the perfect fake claim to fall back on.

 

Your simplistic manner of "clearing" these people is completely flawed. After all, you yourself were completely open to voting just about any number of these people just a number of hours ago.

 

 

And then you cleared them all yourself, so by process of elimination, thou art the scum we're looking for

[hazelkrs1]

Here's what the actual list looks like-

 

Monk - was heavily pushed on by scum all game, was usually on outlier lynches unless it was on scum, killed Kronos, and SK is less likely with the other third party element. Not impossible, just highly unlikely

 

Dice - claimed Cop, but more importantly he had an extremely important vote on TG D2, and could have just stuck to voting me but is instead open to reason.

 

Puppets - has lynched every scum, and was early on the lynches as well. Viewed as town by Dice.

 

Despot - been on every scum lynch, was one of the biggest pushers of the TG lynch till Turin started tunneling and seemed scummy, and was an extremely important vote on Hallia yesterday

 

Cory - third party play to a T, hasn't tried misguiding town ever, and if he WAS scum could easily just have switched to me today instead. Stuck to his guns instead cause atm he still wants to win with town

 

 

 

 

And then there's you.

 

Tommy - not remotely cleared by anything really. Fought the TG lynch as hard as he could till the last moments, and spent the entire day linking TG to now-flipped townies in an attempt to make TG look better after lynching the townie first. Ignored Hallia and Kronos the ENTIRE game, using the excuse that he couldn't read them, even tho they were essentially the only two he "couldn't get a read on" out of the entire player pool. Had zero reaction to both scum flips, when both were crucial to town's chances of success going up.

 

There is nothing that clears you, and a WHOLE LOT that makes you look scummy.

 

And you aren't even explaining any of this out bro, you're just lolcatting. Again, do town a favor.

[Tommyrod]

You'll laugh but I'm not scum

Sigh

[hazelkrs1]

 

And then you cleared them all yourself, so by process of elimination, thou art the scum we're looking for

 

Yes, I cleared them all, and showed how I am just as cleared as the rest of them. I cleared them because I am not interested in just trying to stay alive today. I am focused on catching the last scum.

 

You, on the other hand, have been open to lynching literally every single one of them today except for Monk, until I re-cleared them. Your behavior fits EXACTLY that of a scummer trying to stay alive.

 

And you continue to raise no actual defense of yourself. You just say you're town, and that I'm scum. You're better than this bro.

[Tommyrod]

I'm gonna post some GIFs that prove my innocence.

 

[Tommyrod]

Mafia could never post that

[hazelkrs1]

You'll laugh but I'm not scum

 

Sigh

 

You're a scum in apathetic townie's clothing.

 

Honestly, this would all go easier if I just let myself be lynched, letting town see that you really ARE the scum we've been looking for.

 

But I'm too proud for that. I want to show you up @ endgame and get the lynch secured on you.

 

So Tommy, just self-vote. I will literally english bulldog you so hard the entirety of this phase that Turin will start to mistake me for Ithi if you don't.

[hazelkrs1]

I'm gonna post some GIFs that prove my innocence.

 

 

 

 

Mafia could never post that

 

Those aren't spoilered.

 

MODS! We need a modkill here! Stat!

[hazelkrs1]

[hazelkrs1]

Tomcatting really is worth the price of admission to see. I hope to see him roled as scum alot more often

 

[Tommyrod]

 

On the slight chance I wasn't before, I am now LOCK CLEAR