SPIDER COUNTRY - TEAM JAVIER WINS

[hazelkrs1]

Man oh man every time I come back to this game there's always so much insanity to catch up on! So we had a challenge ended by an Executioner it seems, and yet we got no info... Does anyone else think it strange that day ended that way? I'm not used to seeing Executioner roles in games, the one in SG recently worked a lot differently. It seems to me that the execution should have ended the challenge, and that it went back to the normal voting after that. Either way, I'm really sick of these challenges, hopefully EP and Panda only had one-time uses of their abilities, and since Tina was their other teammate it would be great if that was the end of those.

 

Then again, it kind of stands to reason that if javier has a mason team, then fatima would get a mason team too that might have similar abilities. Hmmm... damn the thing is, since we don't know if Leelou was fatima or javier, we don't know if javier has an edge in voting or not. Grrrr this stinks. If we do have a gladiator mason team on our side as well, I would prob hold off on issuing any challenges unless we feel fatima has a pretty clear voting edge, since the challenges also seem to be leading the game astray somewhat.

 

More detailed thoughts to follow.

[hazelkrs1]

Mafia(like christine)always want to find something, anything no matter how far fetched to distract town from hunting them. IF there were a third team they have been very lucky in that after what nine deaths none of them have been hit yet. Very lucky for them. Add to that the fact that the MOD has clearly stated this is a TEAM on TEAM game between the fatimas and the JAVIERS. I say anyone pushing the third party idea without providing proof is more likely than not mafia.

 

So Christine, if you want me to believe there is a third party then go shoot one tonight instead of me. (again)

 

There are lots of ways to have multiple kills. This is a mafia turf war after all. Lots of people are expected to die.

 

You suspect me of being what I've been confirmed not being?

 

L.O.L.

 

Dude you were the one trying to act like you could be a mafia mason team yesterday (or day before yesterday, w/e), and now you're trying to claim that you're confirmed town? Tina never confirmed you or Panda as her teammates, and since you or Panda haven't died, we have mosdef NOT confirmed you as anything. Now, I DO think you're town javier, which is why I wish we had lynched you instead of Peace in the first challenge, but choose a stance man.

 

If you're gonna pretend that you've been confirmed, then actually come out and declare yourself javier, instead of trying to weasle out of the issue like you kept doing the other day.

 

Mafia(like christine)always want to find something, anything no matter how far fetched to distract town from hunting them. IF there were a third team they have been very lucky in that after what nine deaths none of them have been hit yet. Very lucky for them. Add to that the fact that the MOD has clearly stated this is a TEAM on TEAM game between the fatimas and the JAVIERS. I say anyone pushing the third party idea without providing proof is more likely than not mafia.

 

So Christine, if you want me to believe there is a third party then go shoot one tonight instead of me. (again)

 

There are lots of ways to have multiple kills. This is a mafia turf war after all. Lots of people are expected to die.

 

 

*facepalms*

 

You are seriously stupid. Likely only one thing in this game can kill whoever is third party. In Dark Monocle, it had to be Meesh. In Jaws, it had to be a Bomb. Likely, there is only one way for the Spider to die.

 

 

So, who so far has had a modconfirmed near death? Oh, the Ape? Ape is a good case for being 3rd party.

 

 

When this game is over with, Turin, I'm going to shove the fact I was correct right down your throat.

 

What makes you think there is a "Spider" (capitalized)? This is Spider Country, there seem to be plenty of Spiders. For the love of all that is good and holy QUIT trying to compare this game to other DPR games. I doubt he has one set template he uses for every game, so try thinking outside of the box for a second and quit assuming that just because there was a Monocle, and a Shark, that they're HAS to be a Spider. Both of those other games were built around a theme that had a central villain, this one seems to be built around the theme of two competing druglord or mercenary factions or something like that.

 

As for the Ape near death thing, that seemed pretty self-explanatory. His scene seemed to indicate that he WOULD have died, had some action not been there to prevent it. The sad thing is, I honestly think you are mafia, however Fatima aligned obviously, so I should be rooting for your miraculous recovery. Yet I find myself unable to stop wishing that whatever poison is acting it's way through your veins acted much quicker because of your continued obtuseness. Here's to hoping that you really ARE town javier, that way I don't have to feel any more guilt in this game

 

Oh and one more thing, if and when you are proven wrong about the third party thing, will you come back when the game is over and either apologize to Turin or let him shove down your thro... actually I better stop there

 

 

Maybe if you stopped calling others stupid and thought a second you would understand. Peace was lynched as a MAJORITYof the people alive voted for him thanks to the numbers changing when Verb got killed.

 

Leelou's Death is not neccessarily due to the vote at all. There are several possibilities as to why we are not getting a coroner report on Leelou. I am sure that you do not want to be spoon fed so will leave it at that.

 

My guess is that there is a janitor in the game. It seems to fit Occam's Razor as the simplest explanation.

 

I hate when people misuse OR, OR would tell you there is an executioner, not that there is a janitor, now the cause of no info could be an effect of the executioner or a janitor, that we'll find out later.

 

Maybe if you stopped calling others stupid and thought a second you would understand. Peace was lynched as a MAJORITYof the people alive voted for him thanks to the numbers changing when Verb got killed.

 

Leelou's Death is not neccessarily due to the vote at all. There are several possibilities as to why we are not getting a coroner report on Leelou. I am sure that you do not want to be spoon fed so will leave it at that.

 

My guess is that there is a janitor in the game. It seems to fit Occam's Razor as the simplest explanation.

 

I hate when people misuse OR, OR would tell you there is an executioner, not that there is a janitor, now the cause of no info could be an effect of the executioner or a janitor, that we'll find out later.

 

The Janitor role does not kill, thus it is not mentioned in a death scene where information is traditionally given.

 

Kids these days...

 

Didn't read the scene, I was saying that OR would tell us there is an executioner. If Janitor is mentioned in the scene, then the scene would tell us there is a janitor not OR... Old people these days...

 

 

Yet another instance of EP just completely making a fool of himself. Mai God man, will you never learn?!

 

Basel was talking about the LACK OF INFO indicating the existence of a Janitor using Occam's Razor, which WAS part of the scene, which apparently you read when admonishing Basel, but conveniently hadn't read when DPR basically called you out on it. You talk about me having a humbling experience, but man you could use more than a slice of humble pie trust me. Learn to admit when you're wrong.

 

All that being said, I think Occam's Razor honestly is overused in mafia games. It's one thing to use it in basic games, when there shouldn't be too many big surprises, but in a DPR game I really don't think boiling things down to the simplest explanation is that appropriate. Yes, it seems more likely that there is a Janitor than anything else right now, but at this juncture there really could have been several other possible explanations that could also explain the lack of info. In the Dark Monocle game, each guild had some kind of responsibility, and if that guild was wiped out, the game was effected in some way. You never know, there could be some kind of game mechanic that is preventing us from getting coroner reports for a certain time limit or something like that. Or it could possibly be a diff role than Janitor that acts in a diff way. Either way, OR prob didn't need to be thrown out in this circumstance, at least until night has passed and we can see if we get other coroner reports.

 

Didn't read the scene, I was saying that OR would tell us there is an executioner. If Janitor is mentioned in the scene, then the scene would tell us there is a janitor not OR... Old people these days...

 

Travesty.

 

DPR scenes are teh awesome.

 

I agree, they're prob my favorite thing about DPR games. His setups are great, don't get me wrong, but in both games of his I've also been somewhat lost for a while, which isn't particularly fun for someone like me. But the scenes are pretty much always very enjoyable, they def add a certain atmosphere to his games

 

[Gabriel Kross]

I saw what I needed, I did not read the scene it's hard to miss a LEELOU HAS BEEN EXECUTED

[Gabriel Kross]

However please point out where I claimed to have read the scene.

 

Also Despo have you never heard of wifom? You act like it's such an unheard of concept that someone would wifom what team they are on. You're all like OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WON'T GIVE US A STRAIGHT ANSWER!!! I got news for you, this is mafia, get used to it.

[hazelkrs1]

It was still really stupid for you to try and admonish someone for their "incorrect" use of OR if you hadn't even read the scene. Had you even considered that Basel might have been basing what he said on the other clues in the scene? Which looks like it was the case incidentally, what with the body going missing. Seems like you were just trying to jump on your high horse again. Kinda like how you were trying to convince everyone there was a third party, even tho it's pretty much modconfirmed that there isn't. Just eat some humble pie and admit when you're mistaken.

[Gabriel Kross]

Man oh man every time I come back to this game there's always so much insanity to catch up on! So we had a challenge ended by an Executioner it seems, and yet we got no info... Does anyone else think it strange that day ended that way? I'm not used to seeing Executioner roles in games, the one in SG recently worked a lot differently. It seems to me that the execution should have ended the challenge, and that it went back to the normal voting after that. Either way, I'm really sick of these challenges, hopefully EP and Panda only had one-time uses of their abilities, and since Tina was their other teammate it would be great if that was the end of those.

 

Then again, it kind of stands to reason that if javier has a mason team, then fatima would get a mason team too that might have similar abilities. Hmmm... damn the thing is, since we don't know if Leelou was fatima or javier, we don't know if javier has an edge in voting or not. Grrrr this stinks. If we do have a gladiator mason team on our side as well, I would prob hold off on issuing any challenges unless we feel fatima has a pretty clear voting edge, since the challenges also seem to be leading the game astray somewhat.

 

More detailed thoughts to follow.

 

DPR used this in the Jaws game on JN so it's nothing new. The executioner role ends the day from every use I've ever seen of it.

[hazelkrs1]

However please point out where I claimed to have read the scene.

 

Also Despo have you never heard of wifom? You act like it's such an unheard of concept that someone would wifom what team they are on. You're all like OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WON'T GIVE US A STRAIGHT ANSWER!!! I got news for you, this is mafia, get used to it.

 

You said the lack of info, which to me seemed to indicate that you had read the scene. If all you did was read the bolded, meh I guess, but you still shouldn't have tried telling someone off like you did. Face it, you were wrong. Again.

 

As for the wifom, of course I know that's what you were trying to do, and said as much before. My point is, you were contradicting yourself when you then tried coming out and saying your alignment was confirmed (which it wasn't, btw)

[hazelkrs1]

Man oh man every time I come back to this game there's always so much insanity to catch up on! So we had a challenge ended by an Executioner it seems, and yet we got no info... Does anyone else think it strange that day ended that way? I'm not used to seeing Executioner roles in games, the one in SG recently worked a lot differently. It seems to me that the execution should have ended the challenge, and that it went back to the normal voting after that. Either way, I'm really sick of these challenges, hopefully EP and Panda only had one-time uses of their abilities, and since Tina was their other teammate it would be great if that was the end of those.

 

Then again, it kind of stands to reason that if javier has a mason team, then fatima would get a mason team too that might have similar abilities. Hmmm... damn the thing is, since we don't know if Leelou was fatima or javier, we don't know if javier has an edge in voting or not. Grrrr this stinks. If we do have a gladiator mason team on our side as well, I would prob hold off on issuing any challenges unless we feel fatima has a pretty clear voting edge, since the challenges also seem to be leading the game astray somewhat.

 

More detailed thoughts to follow.

 

DPR used this in the Jaws game on JN so it's nothing new. The executioner role ends the day from every use I've ever seen of it.

 

Ah okay. Thanks for that.

[Gabriel Kross]

It was still really stupid for you to try and admonish someone for their "incorrect" use of OR if you hadn't even read the scene. Had you even considered that Basel might have been basing what he said on the other clues in the scene? Which looks like it was the case incidentally, what with the body going missing. Seems like you were just trying to jump on your high horse again. Kinda like how you were trying to convince everyone there was a third party, even tho it's pretty much modconfirmed that there isn't. Just eat some humble pie and admit when you're mistaken.

 

um nope, I'm not mistaken because scene confirmed and OR do not equal the same thing. OR would say there is an executioner, because Leelou was executed. Scene would sugest that there is a janitor based on no info and the details of the scene, no need to use OR.

 

Someone please gut this snake-man already.

[Gabriel Kross]

However please point out where I claimed to have read the scene.

 

Also Despo have you never heard of wifom? You act like it's such an unheard of concept that someone would wifom what team they are on. You're all like OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WON'T GIVE US A STRAIGHT ANSWER!!! I got news for you, this is mafia, get used to it.

 

You said the lack of info, which to me seemed to indicate that you had read the scene. If all you did was read the bolded, meh I guess, but you still shouldn't have tried telling someone off like you did. Face it, you were wrong. Again.

 

As for the wifom, of course I know that's what you were trying to do, and said as much before. My point is, you were contradicting yourself when you then tried coming out and saying your alignment was confirmed (which it wasn't, btw)

 

Oh I ddn't even say that though if you read it I never quite commited to being town Javier in that statement. I haven't commited one way or the other. the entire game I could be the third party for all you know.

[hazelkrs1]

It was still really stupid for you to try and admonish someone for their "incorrect" use of OR if you hadn't even read the scene. Had you even considered that Basel might have been basing what he said on the other clues in the scene? Which looks like it was the case incidentally, what with the body going missing. Seems like you were just trying to jump on your high horse again. Kinda like how you were trying to convince everyone there was a third party, even tho it's pretty much modconfirmed that there isn't. Just eat some humble pie and admit when you're mistaken.

 

um nope, I'm not mistaken because scene confirmed and OR do not equal the same thing. OR would say there is an executioner, because Leelou was executed. Scene would sugest that there is a janitor based on no info and the details of the scene, no need to use OR.

 

Someone please gut this snake-man already.

 

Then YOU sir are completely mistaken about how to use Occam's Razor. It doesn't mean "Look at things in the simplest manner, then make a deduction". Occam's Razor means, that considering ALL info and ALL possibilities, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one. In other words, Basel did it right. He examined all the evidence, thought about various possible explanations, then deduced that the simplest answer was that there was a Janitor. You did it wrong. You looked at one sentence, ignored all other evidence, and considered basically only one possibility.

 

L2P

 

However please point out where I claimed to have read the scene.

 

Also Despo have you never heard of wifom? You act like it's such an unheard of concept that someone would wifom what team they are on. You're all like OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WON'T GIVE US A STRAIGHT ANSWER!!! I got news for you, this is mafia, get used to it.

 

You said the lack of info, which to me seemed to indicate that you had read the scene. If all you did was read the bolded, meh I guess, but you still shouldn't have tried telling someone off like you did. Face it, you were wrong. Again.

 

As for the wifom, of course I know that's what you were trying to do, and said as much before. My point is, you were contradicting yourself when you then tried coming out and saying your alignment was confirmed (which it wasn't, btw)

 

 

EP you are so full of it.

 

And you're not fooling anyone btw.

 

Panda claimed you as his mason partner, you confirmed it. He also claimed Javier town. You said your alignment was "confirmed". You're Javier town, and you're going down.

 

Oh I ddn't even say that though if you read it I never quite commited to being town Javier in that statement. I haven't commited one way or the other. the entire game I could be the third party for all you know.

[Gabriel Kross]

so am I confirmed or aint I? I must be confirmed if you are so adamant about it. So I ask again am I confirmed or not, stop back pedaling I caught you stumbling over yourself on this one.

[hazelkrs1]

Incidentally, Occam's Razor was never intended to be used in a discussion type format as "true" evidence that would help determine which side of an argument is right. It was instead intended to be used by scientists and mathemeticians that were devising theories, for them to attempt to limit how many assumptions they made. It's basically a grandiose way of saying "Keep It Simple, Stupid" (KISS principle). The more complex the system is, and the more assumptions you make, the weaker the foundation for your hypothesis

[Gabriel Kross]

Any scum team kill this Snake man please, Fatima should want him dead because he killed Verb, Javier should want him dead because he wants to kill Javier. Just saying yo

[hazelkrs1]

so am I confirmed or aint I? I must be confirmed if you are so adamant about it. So I ask again am I confirmed or not, stop back pedaling I caught you stumbling over yourself on this one.

 

No. You're not confirmed. Tina was confirmed as being town javier. Unfortunately, it was never confirmed that she was your teammate. Panda has claimed Javier, but we don't know that to be true.

 

So you aren't CONFIRMED.

 

But anyone with a mind capable of reasoning pretty much knows you to be Javier

[Gabriel Kross]

You never heard of spies or double agents? I can wifom this all day please keep blabbering about.

[John Snow]

Any scum team kill this Snake man please, Fatima should want him dead because he killed Verb, Javier should want him dead because he wants to kill Javier. Just saying yo

 

How do you figure that?

[Gabriel Kross]

Someone wasn't paying attention.

 

He appologized about it, he didn't out right say it was him but he basically admitted to it.

[hazelkrs1]

Sorry, was busy with audit and also made some jambalaya.... my Lord it is good. I got my security guard hooked an another dish of mine!

 

Any scum team kill this Snake man please, Fatima should want him dead because he killed Verb, Javier should want him dead because he wants to kill Javier. Just saying yo

 

Assuming everyone listens to you as much this game as they normally do, I think I'll be fine

 

 

You never heard of spies or double agents? I can wifom this all day please keep blabbering about.

 

You can wifom all you want, doesn't mean I or anyone else will start buying it.

 

But if you want to prove me wrong, by all means, vote for yourself in the morning, I'd be glad to join your train.

 

 

Any scum team kill this Snake man please, Fatima should want him dead because he killed Verb, Javier should want him dead because he wants to kill Javier. Just saying yo

 

How do you figure that?

 

Alas, EP is kinda right in this circumstance. Through my own stupidity, I basically uncovered Verb as having a power role. I thought he was the Doc, turns out he was Shadow, which is kinda similar in a way.

 

[Gabriel Kross]

I don't even know what a shadow is tbh, and to lazy to look it up.

 

Also, Des you feel that tingle on the back of your neck? The blood boiling in your veins? You see how your skin is turning pasty white and cool to the touch? Don't worry just let it happen The venom works at it's own speed.

[Gabriel Kross]

DESPOTHERA TOWN FATIMA AND OVERAL SMUG MAFIA PLAYER HAS BEEN BITTEN AND HAS BECOME....

 

EDWARD CULLEN

[Gabriel Kross]

There would have been a picture involved but photobucket said 14.

[hazelkrs1]

I don't even know what a shadow is tbh, and to lazy to look it up.

 

Also, Des you feel that tingle on the back of your neck? The blood boiling in your veins? You see how your skin is turning pasty white and cool to the touch? Don't worry just let it happen The venom works at it's own speed.

 

Kinda like how you were too lazy to read the scene and see that a Janitor was a def possibility? Or how you were too lazy to read the OP from the other threads and see that DPR listed possible alignments, and none of them were third party?

 

 

Here, I'll make it easy for you:

 

ROLES: I get 'em from here - http://wiki.mafiascu...=Category:Roles

 

Except for these:

 

KIDNAPPER - 3 shot vig who chooses the method of death and is awarded a naaaaasty death scene for each.

TORTURER - Once per night, you may choose any player and you will learn their role and alignment, and any information they have gained during the game.

SHADOW - Once per night you target any player. Should any other player target the player you have, their NA will fail.

THIEF - Once per night, you may choose a target and any NA they have will be nulled. Any information they would have gained will be yours.

MIRROR - Any NA used on this player will be used on the sender instead.

TRACER - Once per night, you may target a player. If they are using a NIght Action, you will learn when they have used it through the entire game

 

Oh and btw, I'm already a Vampire Zombie Werewolf Rockstar, so yeah no glittery vamp bs for me. Take your Twilight fanfiction elsewhere

 

[Gabriel Kross]

I still say there is third party here, we'll see once it's over though.

 

And I never said Janitor wasn't a possibility, where did you get that from?

 

 

And that post was in official modly lettering so it must have been a legit post that you are edward cullen

[DPR]

I'll tease a bit when it comes to Occam's Razor: Back in the day, when Kivam used to play a lot, he would run rampant over games using straight forward logic. He was difficult to fool, and given enough time, he could boil most things down to the setup. As such, he represented some of the inspiration I used to develop games.

 

And he wasn't the only one - there was a list of folks that really knew their way around a game, and I wanted to make things a bit more challenging for that kind o player. So I began experimenting with different roles, trap-door setups, etc. The most important thing was to make sure that a game could be figured out if a player looked at it from the right angle, so to speak, hence the concept of balance (for me, having a game where no one could reasonably figure it out was boring - why play?) and the twisting, but not breaking, of logic.

 

In that sense, I try to "game the razor". I try to develop situations where the obvious, logical choice is a trap. I try to make things interesting by throwing out some information and hinting at the rest. Sometimes it works, and sometimes i go back to the drawing board.

 

But, I always make sure that there is a method to the madness - a pattern that can be followed if looked at correctly. Maybe by saying that, it will shed more light on things...

 

Or, maybe not. Either way, there are some bloody delicious scenes on the way.