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Would Smash have purposely made a weak case on Mynd using info that seems to vet him as not CL as a risky play to eventually draw heat off of Mynd?

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  On 8/22/2011 at 8:48 PM, Smash said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 8:42 PM, John McClane said:

Original Lannisters (4) - should be 2 remaining:

8) Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

 

Converted Lannisters (1):

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

 

So far, we haven't seen any roles on the Lannister team that parallel Smash "watcher" role... and so far, Smash's targets have been very, very convenient.

 

Given the setup, and the fact that survivors can purchase investigative roles - and the amount of survivors, I see no place for an investigative role on either of the family teams. If there is one, and they are out in the open I'd suspect them to be killed or converted very quickly.

 

What has Smash done for us?

 

N1 he watches CTM, but only tell us about it after CTM makes it known in game that he stole from me. Making Smash's N1 result a layup.

 

N2 watched Mynd, and seemed to formulate a case that Mynd is the CL even though Mynd hadn't actually done anything after being watched. Stating that Mynd could have converted in the day, when it was widely known in the game that conversions happen at night. He was selling this case hard, given the holes in it, unsure of why right now...

 

N3 he watches Crusher, Crusher gets killed and he gets no results. Another layup? Seriously 2 out of these 3 "watches" have been busts. Coincidence?

I asked Doggin if investigative roles would be given a result no matter if the player they targeted was killed the same night and he said YES. I've asked Smash about his N3 results repeatedly since then, and Smash has not elaborated. He's apparently sticking to his story that he got no results on Crusher.

 

I asked Doggin if players would lose their investigative powers if they were converted, and he said PAFO.

 

I'm of the opinion that Smash has been converted. If he's really a watcher, Cult would not risk keeping him around to create the wifom so he gets lynched, rather they'd just convert him.

 

I Watched Crusher and my return PM from Kiv Said ....."nothing" The actual word NOTHING and thats all he said. It could mean that Crusher was Killed before I turned in my action, Im not sure, but thats what Kiv said.

 

 

You are a tracker, not a watcher. :rolleyes:

 

Now you are going to claim to have actually gotten a result? I asked Doggin if you'd have gotten something even if Crusher got killed at 2-2:30, and I've been poking at you since to tell us if you got something... you didn't. Then the minute I let that cat out of the bag, you suddenly have a PM to talk about?

 

I'm not buying it.

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7. Night actions will occur instantly, unless otherwise specified. This means that two people night-killing each other will both die (unless one is saved somehow).
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I think the only way my role helps us is if I actully track the CL and we then kill the person he visited. the role is not very powerful at all but like I said I have no problem going with the majority on how the role should be used which might make it a little more useful.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 9:06 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 8:48 PM, Smash said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 8:42 PM, John McClane said:

Original Lannisters (4) - should be 2 remaining:

8) Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

 

Converted Lannisters (1):

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

 

So far, we haven't seen any roles on the Lannister team that parallel Smash "watcher" role... and so far, Smash's targets have been very, very convenient.

 

Given the setup, and the fact that survivors can purchase investigative roles - and the amount of survivors, I see no place for an investigative role on either of the family teams. If there is one, and they are out in the open I'd suspect them to be killed or converted very quickly.

 

What has Smash done for us?

 

N1 he watches CTM, but only tell us about it after CTM makes it known in game that he stole from me. Making Smash's N1 result a layup.

 

N2 watched Mynd, and seemed to formulate a case that Mynd is the CL even though Mynd hadn't actually done anything after being watched. Stating that Mynd could have converted in the day, when it was widely known in the game that conversions happen at night. He was selling this case hard, given the holes in it, unsure of why right now...

 

N3 he watches Crusher, Crusher gets killed and he gets no results. Another layup? Seriously 2 out of these 3 "watches" have been busts. Coincidence?

I asked Doggin if investigative roles would be given a result no matter if the player they targeted was killed the same night and he said YES. I've asked Smash about his N3 results repeatedly since then, and Smash has not elaborated. He's apparently sticking to his story that he got no results on Crusher.

 

I asked Doggin if players would lose their investigative powers if they were converted, and he said PAFO.

 

I'm of the opinion that Smash has been converted. If he's really a watcher, Cult would not risk keeping him around to create the wifom so he gets lynched, rather they'd just convert him.

 

I Watched Crusher and my return PM from Kiv Said ....."nothing" The actual word NOTHING and thats all he said. It could mean that Crusher was Killed before I turned in my action, Im not sure, but thats what Kiv said.

 

 

You are a tracker, not a watcher. :rolleyes:

 

Now you are going to claim to have actually gotten a result? I asked Doggin if you'd have gotten something even if Crusher got killed at 2-2:30, and I've been poking at you since to tell us if you got something... you didn't. Then the minute I let that cat out of the bag, you suddenly have a PM to talk about?

 

I'm not buying it.

 

were you dropped on your head numerous times as a child ?

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:53 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:50 PM, WWWwombat said:

Neither of you are the Cult Leader. Stop this now.

 

Had to do it, so I could come back to it later when we are hunting for converts... Vote Mynd

 

I posted my case in night phase.

 

Did the Ape forget to unvote or did he pull a CTM?

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  On 8/22/2011 at 2:42 PM, John McClane said:

CTM's position on not wanting to hunt BOTH Cult and Lannister combined is a direct contradiction to the Starks win conditions of this game. See below, CTM is basically saying that he is no longer a survivor and that he has pledged Stark. However, he is chiding me for expressing satisfaction with nailing JIF because he was either Lannister or Cult.

 

Starks win when all Lannister House/Bannermen are dead... AND when all Cult is dead. If CTM is Stark he should want to kill both Lannister and Cult, and thus should consider JIF's lynch a success. He shouldn't be downplaying it and advocating that we only hunt cult.

 

Independent survivors actually have the more attainable win condition in all of this, all indie survivors have to do is kill all the Cult.

 

There are still players that have proven to not be survivors. Those are the players that the Starks should be killing at night because only they know if those players are Starks, or cult, or bannermen. We won't want to lynch them during the day because there is a possibility that they'll be Starks and forced to reveal, putting them in a bad spot to be killed.

 

Furthermore, survivors probably shouldn't be shooting cult suspects at night for that very reason, because they may be killing a Stark.

 

The fact that the Ape was saying players should "shoot cult at night" without even thinking of the possibility of shooting a Stark makes me think he either didn't declare Stark, or was converted. Speaking of which...

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:34 PM, John McClane said:

I bought vests and then talked a shit-ton in night phase casing people to try to draw NK attempts and avoid conversion attempts you thickheaded tard. My play completely backs this up.

 

Only Cult converts should want to draw nightkills. Any shot that tries to kill you is a shot that isn't going to kill the cult leader. The cult's main weapon is most likely recruitment and not kills. I'm not even sure if they have any kills. Imo, if you're soaking up kills, the chances are probably much much more likely that they're stark or survivor (all or most of which are probably Stark aligned).

 

You should probably be killed either at night, or 1st thing after the cult leader dies.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 9:12 PM, Sharrow said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 2:42 PM, John McClane said:

CTM's position on not wanting to hunt BOTH Cult and Lannister combined is a direct contradiction to the Starks win conditions of this game. See below, CTM is basically saying that he is no longer a survivor and that he has pledged Stark. However, he is chiding me for expressing satisfaction with nailing JIF because he was either Lannister or Cult.

 

Starks win when all Lannister House/Bannermen are dead... AND when all Cult is dead. If CTM is Stark he should want to kill both Lannister and Cult, and thus should consider JIF's lynch a success. He shouldn't be downplaying it and advocating that we only hunt cult.

 

Independent survivors actually have the more attainable win condition in all of this, all indie survivors have to do is kill all the Cult.

 

There are still players that have proven to not be survivors. Those are the players that the Starks should be killing at night because only they know if those players are Starks, or cult, or bannermen. We won't want to lynch them during the day because there is a possibility that they'll be Starks and forced to reveal, putting them in a bad spot to be killed.

 

Furthermore, survivors probably shouldn't be shooting cult suspects at night for that very reason, because they may be killing a Stark.

 

The fact that the Ape was saying players should "shoot cult at night" without even thinking of the possibility of shooting a Stark makes me think he either didn't declare Stark, or was converted. Speaking of which...

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:34 PM, John McClane said:

I bought vests and then talked a shit-ton in night phase casing people to try to draw NK attempts and avoid conversion attempts you thickheaded tard. My play completely backs this up.

 

Only Cult converts should want to draw nightkills. Any shot that tries to kill you is a shot that isn't going to kill the cult leader. The cult's main weapon is most likely recruitment and not kills. I'm not even sure if they have any kills. Imo, if you're soaking up kills, the chances are probably much much more likely that they're stark or survivor (all or most of which are probably Stark aligned).

 

You should probably be killed either at night, or 1st thing after the cult leader dies.

 

Thank You for making sense :)

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  On 8/22/2011 at 9:12 PM, WWWwombat said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:53 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:50 PM, WWWwombat said:

Neither of you are the Cult Leader. Stop this now.

 

Had to do it, so I could come back to it later when we are hunting for converts... Vote Mynd

 

I posted my case in night phase.

 

Did the Ape forget to unvote or did he pull a CTM?

 

I thought of drawing attention to this too. It could be an honest mistake but it's also exactly the type of voting shenanigans that Mynd likes to indulge in.

Posted
  On 8/22/2011 at 5:40 PM, WWWwombat said:

You know who I think we might wanna take another look at? Sharrow. Dude says that thing about Kivam giving everyone the survivor PM and then later uses survivor info to vet himself. Could be he's a non-survivor who got the survivor PM so he could blend in. I can think of one reason Kivam might want to do that.

 

unvote

Vote: Sharrow

 

That might have been a good way to go before we found out that everyone was not given the PM, when the Lannisters started slipping up.

Posted

Cult Leader is different than Lannisters and Starks and Kivam has more reason to want to protect the Cult Leader. That being said, you are no longer my top suspect. Other people are pinging more and your previous post made sense to me.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 9:15 PM, Hybrid said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 9:12 PM, WWWwombat said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:53 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:50 PM, WWWwombat said:

Neither of you are the Cult Leader. Stop this now.

 

Had to do it, so I could come back to it later when we are hunting for converts... Vote Mynd

 

I posted my case in night phase.

 

Did the Ape forget to unvote or did he pull a CTM?

 

I thought of drawing attention to this too. It could be an honest mistake but it's also exactly the type of voting shenanigans that Mynd likes to indulge in.

 

hybrid ? Im confused it was the APES vote being discussed unless you were making a comparision ...if so could you eplain

Posted
  On 8/22/2011 at 8:56 PM, Smash said:

My goal is to hunt the CL but I think your surest bet on regular CULT would be John McClane. He has not STFU the entire game but was silent half the day on Friday (or thrusday forget which day it was ) and I have a strong feeling he was recruited that day, was probably pissed, and had to reevaluate his position in the game at that point. His bullshit story about work is not flying with me.

 

And just for the Record I have NO PROBLEM investigating what the majority of the players in this game think is a good idea based on what we know. If we dont start killing cult now and stop letting McClane drag us in 900 directions its going to get ugly quick.

 

I've never once lied about RL in a game. The fact that you are casing me because I was onsite with a client, which you know to be part of my job from previous games, is classless.

 

You and CTM started coming at me hard last night when I cased and voted Myndrunner in night phase. At this point, I see that as you two goons trying to protect him.

 

My top 3 are Mynd, Smash and CTM, add in the dude because he's the other one I was pressing in night phase. If you guys want to lynch me to see I'm not bullshit, go for it...

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 9:06 PM, Smash said:

Im not a convert Monkey breath you are the convert and you have offered absoultely nothing to this game other than contradictions and the usual stupidity. I have told you exactly what Kiv stated in My PM's and gave a reason as to why I thought he gave me the info he did. Why would I make that shit up about a dead player ? Stop acting like a fool

 

Show me a contradiction I've made... and while your at it, explain why after you planted the seed in night phase that I was a convert, then you backed off, why you never once commented on CTM's contradictory statements and play.

 

This is a very weak and OMGUS retort you are giving us. I hope other people see through it.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 9:12 PM, WWWwombat said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:53 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:50 PM, WWWwombat said:

Neither of you are the Cult Leader. Stop this now.

 

Had to do it, so I could come back to it later when we are hunting for converts... Vote Mynd

 

I posted my case in night phase.

 

Did the Ape forget to unvote or did he pull a CTM?

 

Pulled a CTM. :biggrin:

Posted
  On 8/22/2011 at 9:19 PM, WWWwombat said:

He's saying Mynd likes to fake forgetting to unvote to draw reactions.

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 9:19 PM, WWWwombat said:

And we were both saying that Ape could be doing that now.

 

Ninja'd by Wombat.

 

Yeah, plus a loony idea that Mynd and McClane could both be cult and Mynd suggested doing that. I didn't speak up in the first place because it doesn't seem to serve any purpose as a cult plan -- there's no deadline, for example.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 9:20 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 8:56 PM, Smash said:

My goal is to hunt the CL but I think your surest bet on regular CULT would be John McClane. He has not STFU the entire game but was silent half the day on Friday (or thrusday forget which day it was ) and I have a strong feeling he was recruited that day, was probably pissed, and had to reevaluate his position in the game at that point. His bullshit story about work is not flying with me.

 

And just for the Record I have NO PROBLEM investigating what the majority of the players in this game think is a good idea based on what we know. If we dont start killing cult now and stop letting McClane drag us in 900 directions its going to get ugly quick.

 

I've never once lied about RL in a game. The fact that you are casing me because I was onsite with a client, which you know to be part of my job from previous games, is classless.

 

You and CTM started coming at me hard last night when I cased and voted Myndrunner in night phase. At this point, I see that as you two goons trying to protect him.

 

My top 3 are Mynd, Smash and CTM, add in the dude because he's the other one I was pressing in night phase. If you guys want to lynch me to see I'm not bullshit, go for it...

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 9:06 PM, Smash said:

Im not a convert Monkey breath you are the convert and you have offered absoultely nothing to this game other than contradictions and the usual stupidity. I have told you exactly what Kiv stated in My PM's and gave a reason as to why I thought he gave me the info he did. Why would I make that shit up about a dead player ? Stop acting like a fool

 

Show me a contradiction I've made... and while your at it, explain why after you planted the seed in night phase that I was a convert, then you backed off, why you never once commented on CTM's contradictory statements and play.

 

This is a very weak and OMGUS retort you are giving us. I hope other people see through it.

 

So your saying CTM and Myself came at you and your response is to OMGUS me into oblivion with a bunch of crap filled posts diluting the game ? You were just telling Mynd how it was scummy to vote me now your after me because I applied a litle pressure ? Keep making it more apparent your were converted, exactly when I said you were. Seems your big Idea of focus on the CL has gone by the wayside makes total sense you would try to do exactly what others have accused you of doing, bring attention to yourself to protect the CL . Keep digging your own grave.

Posted
  On 8/22/2011 at 8:42 PM, John McClane said:

 

Are you one of the last 2 Lannisters?

 

 

I am not a Lannister, Lannister Bannerman, or have anything to do with the Lannisters.

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I just askd Kiv to clarify for me exactly what he meant by saying "nothing" his exact words to me were ....He didn't go anywhere. You saw nothing. Im done now with this subject if you want to carry it further be my guest.

Posted
  On 8/22/2011 at 9:30 PM, JF80 said:
I am not a Lannister, Lannister Bannerman, or have anything to do with the Lannisters.

 

You're still a homo though, right? Need to keep my notes up to date.

Posted
  On 8/22/2011 at 9:12 PM, Sharrow said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 2:42 PM, John McClane said:

CTM's position on not wanting to hunt BOTH Cult and Lannister combined is a direct contradiction to the Starks win conditions of this game. See below, CTM is basically saying that he is no longer a survivor and that he has pledged Stark. However, he is chiding me for expressing satisfaction with nailing JIF because he was either Lannister or Cult.

 

Starks win when all Lannister House/Bannermen are dead... AND when all Cult is dead. If CTM is Stark he should want to kill both Lannister and Cult, and thus should consider JIF's lynch a success. He shouldn't be downplaying it and advocating that we only hunt cult.

 

Independent survivors actually have the more attainable win condition in all of this, all indie survivors have to do is kill all the Cult.

 

There are still players that have proven to not be survivors. Those are the players that the Starks should be killing at night because only they know if those players are Starks, or cult, or bannermen. We won't want to lynch them during the day because there is a possibility that they'll be Starks and forced to reveal, putting them in a bad spot to be killed.

 

Furthermore, survivors probably shouldn't be shooting cult suspects at night for that very reason, because they may be killing a Stark.

 

The fact that the Ape was saying players should "shoot cult at night" without even thinking of the possibility of shooting a Stark makes me think he either didn't declare Stark, or was converted. Speaking of which...

 

  On 8/22/2011 at 3:34 PM, John McClane said:

I bought vests and then talked a shit-ton in night phase casing people to try to draw NK attempts and avoid conversion attempts you thickheaded tard. My play completely backs this up.

 

Only Cult converts should want to draw nightkills. Any shot that tries to kill you is a shot that isn't going to kill the cult leader. The cult's main weapon is most likely recruitment and not kills. I'm not even sure if they have any kills. Imo, if you're soaking up kills, the chances are probably much much more likely that they're stark or survivor (all or most of which are probably Stark aligned).

 

You should probably be killed either at night, or 1st thing after the cult leader dies.

 

I haven't been converted. I haven't declared either. I'm still independent... I wanted to gamble.

 

The game has been broken down and its sort of obvious who the non-survivors are. Doesn't make sense for Cult to convert the ones that are tipping Lannister - so my guess is they are targeting Starks for conversion.

 

My thinking was that at some point in the game, in order to hunt cult we'd have to start killing Starks because of this - so I wanted to make sure that if it comes to it and there is 1 stark and 1 lannister left, I could win with either of them. Doesn't look like I'll last to endgame though.

 

Unvote

Vote The Dude

 

I'm the only one that has pressed him - and the minute I did, it became pertinent for both Smash and CTM to case me as a convert, even though they are both talking about going after the CL, they can't leave alone the case on me as a convert that they are making up as they go. CTM is making things up about me lining up lynches on Crusher, and Smash is lying about not getting results from doggin... yet, I'm their focus.

 

Why am I their focus - when out of the other side of their mouth they are talking about hunting the CL? Its obvious I'm not CL.

 

My guess is the dude or Mynd is the CL. I went after them both in night phase, which is how we find ourselves here with CTM and Smash both pushing me as a convert. Lynch one of the dude or mynd today, NK me if you must, and lynch the other tomorrow. If you find the CL, then lynch CTM and Smash.

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  On 8/14/2011 at 3:35 PM, Kivam said:

 

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2. Absolutely NO out-of-thread communications may be either entirely or partially quoted, screen-capped or in any other way directly provided within the game thread (summaries of PMs for purposes of role reveals is allowed, however).

 

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12. Quoting the Mod/Revealing Mod Pics: You may not quote anything I say in PM. You can’t game the mod. You can’t talk about what I said or may have said in my PM’s. Play your own game.

 

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  On 8/22/2011 at 9:31 PM, Smash said:

I just askd Kiv to clarify for me exactly what he meant by saying "nothing" his exact words to me were ....He didn't go anywhere. You saw nothing. Im done now with this subject if you want to carry it further be my guest.

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