[Basic Mafia] Firefly: Alliance Intervention- Night 2

[Tynaal Consen]

Well played Mafia

[aemonkristen]

I will give the link to the scum board only if all three give permission here on thread.

[csarmi]

Oh I thought that was customary. (saw that in another thread)

[mottlee]

it's fine by me aemon

 

 

lol well that was a fun game. great job everyone.

 

CS - we figured you where more likely to protect either yourself, phelix or tynaal so we decided to go for arlow and hope that you didn't protect him.

[Reyn]

I'm okay with it.

 

I figured Arlow would be the only one the doc would have doubts about being town, hence my vote on killing him; the others were too risky. Also thought about going for Cs thinking he may not have been told yet that he could protect himself :P

 

Great game, I was definitely antsy to the last night activities.

[Reyn]

Also still puzzled as to why you thought 100% I was scum... If you have anything to add to the case you posted against me earlier.

[Tanaus]

Wait.... you made Mal the Finder when you had a "reader"? (psychic)

[Reyn]

Agreeing with tanaus there :P

[csarmi]

Also still puzzled as to why you thought 100% I was scum... If you have anything to add to the case you posted against me earlier.

 

edit: We cased you on the beginning of the second day (what you were doing did not match that of the actions of an experienced player with town alignment). You never recovered after that. Only reason I did not push YOU instead was because I was pissed at Tanaus (for helping scum so much). Also, some townies were quite inactive so it wasn't easy to coordinate/switch targets.

 

Meh, as for Arlow, you really should have known better :))

I did have a reason for giving him as innocent afterall. No other player (except Phelix) was I so sure of the alignment.

I wasn't sure you would try the obvious (going after him). Actually, I was a bit relieved when I rolled 1 (protect the known townies) because it wold have been quite a big decision to go 100% on Arlow. In that case, my NA would have been posted much later, after a reread.

[csarmi]

Reyn: subtle attack on Tina (helps set her up) - why would CS be confirmed. Gives a good reasoning there, but this I find suspicious: 'Did anyone notice that the mafia went after a completely different target, rather than a very important claimed role?' why would the Maffia go after CS? That coming from an experienced player, if I read you right

 

Reyn: nonsense again: that CS is distracting :) good point on having to start consolidating on, however, and that might mean only 1 person right now. Wants to lynch Tina, does vote her then encourages getting stuck on her.

 

(on claim csarmi) Reyn - starts off asking if you got any info, but says that if you didn't get scum that maybe you shouldn't revela them. then with post#110 starts to place doubt on CS being the cop (suggesting it might be a gambit) and highlights the scum chose an inactive. She continues to cast doubt on CS, pointing out a situation "if he was scum" but keeps herself on the fence with a "should we lynch a possible cop" question. + (on Case Tina) Reyn - brings up the possible link between CS & Tina, and casts the first vote. she claims they seem to be working together to get people to believe CS's claim

 

Reyn is the only one right now really pinging me as scum tbh

[Niniel]

Reyn, if you look at the dead thread you will see that the only one that we guessed correctly was you.

[Reyn]

Yea but I still beat you ;)

[Niniel]

You did! :)

[danneric]

i give permission for the mafia thread too. lol that was a good game. i actually thought you guys would lynch me at the end i was sweating badddd. lol and the real reason i changed my play style was because i had nothing to fear from posting what i thought and who i voted for because the mafia couldnt NK me beacuse i was them lol. but still had to be careful. and i was telling the truth i really coudlnt get on the computer until midnight (still cant unfortunatley)

and since the game is over i will right with horrible grammar so thats that.

[Phelix]

Gah... I can point back to the moment it all went wrong. *sigh*

 

If Csarmi hadn't come off so scummy and hadn't claimed my role, I would have done things entirely differently. Looking back at the thread, there are plenty of spots I would have investigated more. You were my red herring, Csarmi... I was so focused on the fact that you had claimed my role, which proved you were scum, that I was using you as a litmus test for everyone else... the people I chose to investigate, the posts I paid the most attention to.

 

Lesson learned... can't let m'self be blinded like that in the future.

 

Though, I will say, Reyn, you played masterfully. I never suspected you until the end... when I began to think Csarmi might not be lying... but by that point, it was too late. Good job! *claps*

[csarmi]

Phelix, you were doing alright.

Only, you always have to focus on both sides.

My mentor told me you need to check out those who support the claimant AND those who preach against him. Dont matter if my claim is false or true. It was also a good idea to assume I was scum and dont view me, I counted on that (one less person to view).

Also, you could have been more active after our claims came out into the open: I mean more open to new ideas + try to get people talk more. At that point, you were supposed to take over entirely and direct the conversation.

You were somewhat unlucky with your findings too.

[Phelix]

By the time I came out as the real finder, we were screwed unless we lynched a Mafia. I hadn't found one, so all I could do was observe what people were saying. I did try to get people to talk, but at a certain point posting just to post doesn't make sense.

 

Deadly was suspicious... but even my Mentor thought Tanaus and Arlow were suspicious too. Then again, she and I both were sure you were Scum.

 

The advice Reyn gave on Day One, right after you came out as the Cop was almost exactly what my mentor told me... so her good advice to the real cop, how she played, and viewed the people playing "with" you... it made it hard to think of her as Scum.

[csarmi]

After we came out both. Did you get convinced I was telling the truth? Did you reconsider the events/evidences just then?

 

We had a good chance to win by the way. 60% to hit a scum blindly and even after we didn't, i had a 50% chance to protect Arlow (which would have been instant victory no matter who you viewed).

[csarmi]

OK... here's what I've been thinking of. CS, your post means one of two things - and I mean no offense by it, its just how it goes -

 

1) You're not doing a very good job playing, or playing your role. However, now that you're out of the closet, your information could be very useful.

 

2) You are an amazing mafia player, trying to dig up the real cop and sacrificing yourself in the process.

 

So here's my suggestion. If there is another claiming Cop, please be silent. My idea is that CS should be able to prove himself over the night period. Investigate someone tonight, and let us know the results. It may not prove your reveal, but it MAY if you get a good scummy result because we can then lynch and see if you are telling the truth. I am willing to put off my vote on you for now in hopes that you might get a revealing answer.

 

The sentence in bold is scummy. Encourages the Cop to post his finding, which is not to be done unless things are getting desperate.

What reason could a Cop have to post his finding day 2? Even if the Cop finds a scum, I'm not sure he should be posting it right away.

[Phelix]

After we came out both. Did you get convinced I was telling the truth? Did you reconsider the events/evidences just then?

 

We had a good chance to win by the way. 60% to hit a scum blindly and even after we didn't, i had a 50% chance to protect Arlow (which would have been instant victory no matter who you viewed).

 

I didn't reconsider until after you said you were the Doc... and even then, I was half sure you were still Scum and were just scrambling not to get lynched. I was almost expecting one of the other players to say they were the Real Doctor. When that didn't happen, I began to think you were being honest... and so I began to consider everyone other than myself, Tynaal, and you... and it did leave us with a decent chance of lynching a Mafia, like I mentioned at the time.

 

OK... here's what I've been thinking of. CS, your post means one of two things - and I mean no offense by it, its just how it goes -

 

1) You're not doing a very good job playing, or playing your role. However, now that you're out of the closet, your information could be very useful.

 

2) You are an amazing mafia player, trying to dig up the real cop and sacrificing yourself in the process.

 

So here's my suggestion. If there is another claiming Cop, please be silent. My idea is that CS should be able to prove himself over the night period. Investigate someone tonight, and let us know the results. It may not prove your reveal, but it MAY if you get a good scummy result because we can then lynch and see if you are telling the truth. I am willing to put off my vote on you for now in hopes that you might get a revealing answer.

 

The sentence in bold is scummy. Encourages the Cop to post his finding, which is not to be done unless things are getting desperate.

What reason could a Cop have to post his finding day 2? Even if the Cop finds a scum, I'm not sure he should be posting it right away.

 

It went along with my thinking entirely. It was scummy for you to announce as the Cop so early, so we needed to make you prove yourself. It made no sense for me, the Real Cop to announce at that time (like Reyn advised) because then it would be my word against yours... until we had proof one way or the other. If I found a Scum we could lynch them and prove my status. If you announced a Scum, we could lynch them and prove you.

 

Because you had claimed so early, you had to prove earlier than a normal Cop would.

[csarmi]

I don't think so. A Cop has to prove himself if challenged, or when it is best for town. That is very unlikely to be on day 2. With the doctor alive, even more so. Even if I was a real Cop AND viewed a scum I wouldn't have tried lynching him right away.

 

I wouldn't want a player with confirmed identity to die.

 

1) whenever he talks, he gives me more information than others

2) as long as we both live, he's already dead. might be useful to save up as a sure lynch. I'd rather face endgame with confirmed players.

[Reyn]

That is smart logic, and when you know that the townies are gonna be so hesitant to kill a claimed cop (even when he acts scummy) then it's worth it to save your views. However I see where Phelix, being the real cop, would want to push proof out of you... And just one or two players making the suggestion can be very persuasive.

 

I have to say I have learned a bit from watching this play through and from the talk here afterwards. My one Blah comment is that I am so sick of being picked to play scum!!! Rofl 80% of the games I have played had me as scum.

[csarmi]

What really ticked me off was when you pushed me AGAIN for information on day 2, then second-guessed yourself:

 

Ah Aemon, this could get confusing but yay for replacements!

 

Well, we've got two dead townies and no scum hits yet. Csarmi, did you get any information back?

 

If you didn't get a scum reveal then perhaps it would be wise to not reveal the name you investigated.

 

I dunno if how it really happened, but you see, that second message is a bit too late. It was better to add it (than leave that first message there), but still rang bells for me loud and clear (and for my mentor too).

 

What did you guys think Phelix was doing? For me it seemed as the real cop but you did not suspect me for a fraud I suppose.

[Reyn]

How is one minute "too late"? Especially when I post from my phone?

[Reyn]

It's just what happens when I hit send before finishing my thought process lol(like this). I'm a slow thinker :P