Red on Black?

[A Nightmares Nightmare]

I apologize in advance if this topic has already been discussed, but I was just reading part of the Karaethon Cycle where it said:

 

"Red on black, the dragon's blood will stain the rocks of Shayol Ghul."

 

I had always taken it that the red on black would be his blood on the black rocks, but what if it means red on black, like moridin's colors.

 

Cyndane and Moghedien both are forced to wear servants clothes with those colors on it, and servants clothes usually have their masters colors on them.

 

This would support the whole telepathic-connection-switching-bodies theory.

 

Any thoughts?

[Aviendha]

Hmmmmm....

I've also always assumed that the phrase meant red blood on black rocks but you raise an interesting point. There did seem to be some emphasis on Moridin's colours (though colours in general seem to be a point of focus - a way of differentiating the various Houses etc).

 

But there is still a direct reference to the Dragon. Unless the reference is after the 'suggested' transfer between moridin & rand (another idea that I particularily like, who or where did it originally come from???).

[algspkr]

That is an interesting idea, and may be supported by Morianes constant: "Prophecy rarely means what people think it does" statements when Rand mentioned his impending doom around her.

[A Nightmares Nightmare]

Red on black, the Dragons blood stains the rocks of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow.

 

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man's salvation.

 

 

Hi all. I just got this more complete section of the Prophecy, and have some things to add that might encourage some more debate.

 

As you can see, if the "red on black" means his blood, that means it would be mentioned four times in this short part. It seems like in a foretelling, they wouldn't need to repeat themselves so much. Seeing as how it looks like everything in this prophecy will come true, why would they go about saying this four times.

But if my idea is the real meaning of "red on black" then it is jsut saying:

Moridin, the Dragon's blood stains the rocks of Shayol Ghul.

This would imply that somehow the Dragon is Moridin.

Or maybe that Moridin spills his blood...

[Aviendha]

maybe it's in moridin's body that rand get's close to Shayol Ghul?

[Luckers]

This is a really cool idea... i don't know how much we can acredit RJ with knowing what would be, and something as finicky as this is fairly long shot, but i really like it... especially because it can be read 'red on black, his blood...' as in, its the blood of the one with red on black on him...

[thegreatbabu]

what if this means that moridin is rands blood? maybe the new body that the dark one got for ishy when he died is the other body of slayer. wouldn't that make moridin rands uncle?

[A Nightmares Nightmare]

what if this means that moridin is rands blood? maybe the new body that the dark one got for ishy when he died is the other body of slayer. wouldn't that make moridin rands uncle?

:!: Woah, you just blew my mind. I never even thought of it that way.

... But wouldnt his uncles body be a little rotted? When did he die, or get transformed?

[thegreatbabu]

waybe the dark one can preserve bodies in some way... possibly in something like a stasis box. not sure how it would work, but it would be interesting.

[Guest cwestervelt]

There's one big problem with Moridin having Luc's body. (Isam's too for that matter). Slayer is already using it. When he crosses from Tel'aran'rhiod to the Waking World, he aparently can choose which one he is going to be.

 

From Winter's Heart Chapter 22 "Out of Thin Air"

Isam paced the room, studying by the ever-present light of Tel'aran'rhiod. The bed linens shifted from rumpled to neatly made between one glance and the next. The coverlet changed from flowered to plain dark red to quilted. The ephemeral always changed here, and he barely noticed anymore. He could not use Tel'aran'rhiod the way the Chosen could, but here was where he felt almost free. Here, he could be who he wanted to be. He chuckled at the thought.

 

Stopping beside the bed, he carefully unsheathed the two poisoned daggers and stepped out of the Unseen World into the waking. As he did, he became Luc. It seemed appropriate.

 

A couple of paragraphs later:

 

He always liked to see the people he killed, after if he could not during. He had especially enjoyed those two Aes Sedai in the Stone of Tear. The incredulity on their faces when he appeared out of thin air, the horror when they realized he had not come to save them, were treasured memories. That had been Isam, not him, but the memories were none the less prized for that. Neither of them got to kill an Aes Sedai very often.

 

That's not just multiple-personality disorder that's multiple-body disorder. :lol: When he is in Luc's body, he actually thinks of himself as Luc and he thinks of Isam as a seperate entity.

[dagwall]

All the red and black talk makes me think of Taim and his palace in the Black Tower. Red and black tiles all over the place. Suggestive of Taim being under Ishy's control. I've never been sure which forsaken he follows and that is suggestive to me.