Taim is a reborn soul

[smr2008]

There are so many threads on him, I decided to start a new one. I'm reading the series again and well, I have believed he has been reborn since reading the series the first time. He shows the same affects as Rand.  There is no POV with Taim. Take away Rand's POV and what do you have?  Two men who can channel hearing voices in his head. LoC Chapter 42, is a good example.  As well as their first meetings.  I believe Taim is one of the previously false Dragons. Probally the second. If he is, imagine what he is telling Taim when infront of Rand. Would also explain how he knows so much.  And just like Rand he manages to fight off the voice and compose himself. Read the chapter again. I was going to post those areas, but you can just read it with this theory in mind.

[Guest Dreadlord]

Personally I cant see how you came up with the theory. Taim is a darkfriend, there is way to much to point to tat-as many others I believe he works for/with Demandred, which explains why he knows so much, and later he starts making decisions for himself

[trakand_01]

Taim is a false dragon but of this era, no other.

 

I think he's just a nasty little darkfriend. Quite dangerous when you tally that up with him having the power, greed and ambition which he does. He's quite possibly Demandred's proxy, which would account for him knowing what he does.

 

Logain will do for him nicely  ;D

[Luckers]

There are so many threads on him, I decided to start a new one. I'm reading the series again and well, I have believed he has been reborn since reading the series the first time. He shows the same affects as Rand.

 

Which effects? I've not as yet seen him struggle with himself, or give any indication of listening to a voice, or any of Rand's symptoms....

 

There is no POV with Taim. Take away Rand's POV and what do you have?  Two men who can channel hearing voices in his head. LoC Chapter 42, is a good example.  As well as their first meetings.

 

In neither of those chapters does Taim display any indications that he is hearing voices... at least that i can see. Have i missed something?

 

I believe Taim is one of the previously false Dragons. Probally the second. If he is, imagine what he is telling Taim when infront of Rand. Would also explain how he knows so much.

 

Yurian Stonebow was strong in the Power, but he wasn't particularily skilled in the Power. Having Yurian as a past life would hardly invest a person with knowledge, nor would he have much to offer in dealing with the real Dragon. As for the others--Roalin Darksbane, the first Dragon, was overwhelmed in less than a year of announcing himself. Guire Amalasan, the third, lasted, but due to the armies he gathered, and the skill he had as a General. He too was overwhelmed when it came to facing Aes Sedai--though like Yurian he managed to win a battle with six Aes Sedai, but again due to strength.

 

And just like Rand he manages to fight off the voice and compose himself. Read the chapter again. I was going to post those areas, but you can just read it with this theory in mind.

 

It would be better that you post it with highlights on the points that you think significant, because having read it i missed any implications--sometimes it takes underlining things for us to get it, lol.

 

Honestly though, i just dont see this being the case.

[Guest Dreadlord]

I agree. When Rand is about to break one of the seals that time Taim tells him he needs to hold on, to try and fight the madness, and when he says it Taim sounds almost sympathetic. From what I have seen Taim isn't that good a liar really, and not once has he showed any symptoms of insanity.

[smr2008]

There are so many threads on him, I decided to start a new one. I'm reading the series again and well, I have believed he has been reborn since reading the series the first time. He shows the same affects as Rand.

 

Which effects? I've not as yet seen him struggle with himself, or give any indication of listening to a voice, or any of Rand's symptoms....

 

There is no POV with Taim. Take away Rand's POV and what do you have?  Two men who can channel hearing voices in his head. LoC Chapter 42, is a good example.  As well as their first meetings.

 

In neither of those chapters does Taim display any indications that he is hearing voices... at least that i can see. Have i missed something?

 

I believe Taim is one of the previously false Dragons. Probally the second. If he is, imagine what he is telling Taim when infront of Rand. Would also explain how he knows so much.

 

Yurian Stonebow was strong in the Power, but he wasn't particularily skilled in the Power. Having Yurian as a past life would hardly invest a person with knowledge, nor would he have much to offer in dealing with the real Dragon. As for the others--Roalin Darksbane, the first Dragon, was overwhelmed in less than a year of announcing himself. Guire Amalasan, the third, lasted, but due to the armies he gathered, and the skill he had as a General. He too was overwhelmed when it came to facing Aes Sedai--though like Yurian he managed to win a battle with six Aes Sedai, but again due to strength.

 

And just like Rand he manages to fight off the voice and compose himself. Read the chapter again. I was going to post those areas, but you can just read it with this theory in mind.

 

It would be better that you post it with highlights on the points that you think significant, because having read it i missed any implications--sometimes it takes underlining things for us to get it, lol.

 

Honestly though, i just dont see this being the case.

 

I would have to disect the chapter, explaining why Taim shook with rage, ect and suddely composing himself. Why he acted this way then all of a sudden another way, listening to Rand. Rand is not insane either, but he acts that way, no matter what someone is saying. If you read the chapter and didn't see Taim doing that, you were not paying attention. Just because Taim could be a soul reborn doesn't mean he couldn't be a Darkfriend, too. He acts this way through out the series. As far as who he was well who knows then, but I believe he thinks he should be the dragon reborn and hears a voice and surpresses it.  Take it like a grain of salt then.

[Guest Dreadlord]

Being the Dragon Reborn doesnt necessarily mean hearing Lews Therins voice, at least not from anyones PoV but Rands-nothing in the prophecies says Rand will hear LTTs voice that I can remember. Taim probably doesnt even know Rand speaks to Lews, unless one of the Forsaken told him. Taim only thought he was the Dragon Reborn when he became a false Dragon, and even that depends on whether or not the Shadow staged his declaration.

[skalors3]

I have always felt that if Taim was anything more than a DF, which I don't believe he is, he would be someone who traveled forward in time through manipulation and knowledge of the portal stones and their associated worlds or otherwise acting as someone else in disguise. 

 

I think the only canon that could support Taim being someone else is his striking similarity of Sammael, or to be more specific, Sammaels relationship with LTT.  When LTT was ranting in Rands head, I believe in COS, he said something like "When have I ever given you less than you deserved?"  LTT was commenting on Sammaels hatred of him.  Sammael on the other hand always opined about how LTT was credited with stuff Sammael (and others) did for him.  It is very similar to the feelings Taim is fostering towards Rand throughout the books.  However, I have always felt that this was RJ's way of showing how similar the two dragons are. 

[Luckers]

I would have to disect the chapter, explaining why Taim shook with rage, ect and suddely composing himself. Why he acted this way then all of a sudden another way, listening to Rand. Rand is not insane either, but he acts that way, no matter what someone is saying.

 

Yes, that is precisely what you would have to do.

 

If you read the chapter and didn't see Taim doing that, you were not paying attention.

 

I quite assure you I was, and I quite assure you that Taim in no way acted or gave any indication of struggling internally with him, or an aleternate facet personality.  I see nothing in that chapter whatsoever that suggests him hearing a voice.

 

So yes, a full disection on your part is what you need to do if you want us to see it--coz im just missing it.

 

Just because Taim could be a soul reborn doesn't mean he couldn't be a Darkfriend, too.

 

But that is just the point, im not seeing this evidence that he could be a soul reborn...?

 

I have always felt that if Taim was anything more than a DF, which I don't believe he is, he would be someone who traveled forward in time through manipulation and knowledge of the portal stones and their associated worlds or otherwise acting as someone else in disguise. 

 

RJ states once that there have been no characters who have been displaced in time other than the Forsaken. It was a response to the Very Old Verin theory, but still....

 

I think the only canon that could support Taim being someone else is his striking similarity of Sammael, or to be more specific, Sammaels relationship with LTT.  When LTT was ranting in Rands head, I believe in COS, he said something like "When have I ever given you less than you deserved?"  LTT was commenting on Sammaels hatred of him.  Sammael on the other hand always opined about how LTT was credited with stuff Sammael (and others) did for him.  It is very similar to the feelings Taim is fostering towards Rand throughout the books.  However, I have always felt that this was RJ's way of showing how similar the two dragons are. 

 

Wasn't that Demandred? It's been a while since i properly perused the Taimendred theories, but i remember that being Demandred that LTT ranted about.

 

Either way i agree with your interpretation about what it means, so its not really an issue--i was just curious.

[Majsju]

But that is just the point, im not seeing this evidence that he could be a soul reborn...?

 

Well, in a world with reincarnation, of course everyone is a soul reborn... ;D

[Luckers]

Except for Elayne of course. She wouldn't put up with anything that wasn't brand-spanking new.

 

After all, who wants some shoddy hand-me-down soul.

[Majsju]

Well, originally Elayne was Ilyena reborn. Then she laid eyes on Rand, and thought "You have got to be kidding me! I am so out of here. Bring me back when my man is in a body with less hay in his hair!"

 

And when Ilyene left the building, Elayne sort of popped out as a brand new soul, to fill the empty shell. ;D

[Luckers]

I can just imagine it. Elayne watches Rand fall of the wall while Ilyena is inside thinking 'what the hell? I was married to that! I really need to stop drinking.'

 

[Majsju]

"Of all the things that could have made it from the 1st Age to the AOL, why oh why did it have to be Las Vegas!?"

[smr2008]

I have always felt that if Taim was anything more than a DF, which I don't believe he is, he would be someone who traveled forward in time through manipulation and knowledge of the portal stones and their associated worlds or otherwise acting as someone else in disguise. 

 

WOW! Yeah that is interesting.

[trakand_01]

aha! so Ilyena took the brain when she left, did she? Left a little homer-esque thing inside.

 

Have you seen the Simpsons episode where we see inside Homer's head when he's supposed to be paying attention.

 

All we hear is "oooh, eeeh, ooh ah-ah, ching, chang, wallawalla bing bang..."