Battle of Two Rivers

[Guire]

After sneak peek I have been thinking about Two Rivers and how that arc will play out.

 

First, show's goals for arc. Female empowerment, defeat dark forces in 2R, advance Perrin to Lord Goldeneyes.

 

Players on the board. From sneak peek and casting notes.

Perrin, Faile, Alanna, Maksim, Marin, Jac AlSeen, Bain, Chiad, Loial, Dain Bornhold, White Cloak soldiers and 2R villagers. Tinkers likely in mix. Possibly Taren Ferry villagers.

 

Missing or unknown on light side. Tam, Abel, Bran, Verin, Tomas, Gaul, Devin Ride village, Watch Hill village, and Perrins companion guard.

 

Dark Forces mix of trollocs, fades, and dark friends possibly led by Padan Fain. Slayer/Lord Luc mia so far.

 

From previous 2 seasons battle scenes I think we will get some lite skirmishes then bulk of dark forces coming down from mountain following road to multiple direct assaults of 2R defenses.  I think previous raid in season 1 killed more 2R villagers than book battle. Possibly leading to building of palisades and defenses around 2R village prior to Perrins return. Female villagers seem completely integrated into defenses.  White cloaks seem to be fighting from ground as part of village defenses in multiple battle scenes. Battle will probably finish with Dark Forces breaching village defenses and some unknown force overwhelming Dark Forces after 2R forces pushes them out of village. From sneak peek I assume Ihvon killed in Tar Valon or early in 2R fighting. If Maksim is killed in 2R battle Alanna may pull an Eldrin and burn herself out ravaging Dark forces.  Not sure otherwise unless White cloak cavalry or Andoran Forces show up and save day.

 

I don't think show arc will have same impact as book for many reasons but wondering how others think how arc will play out or how you want it to go.

 

[Mailman]

  On 3/1/2025 at 2:37 PM, Guire said:

After sneak peek I have been thinking about Two Rivers and how that arc will play out.

 

First, show's goals for arc. Female empowerment, defeat dark forces in 2R, advance Perrin to Lord Goldeneyes.

 

Players on the board. From sneak peek and casting notes.

Perrin, Faile, Alanna, Maksim, Marin, Jac AlSeen, Bain, Chiad, Loial, Dain Bornhold, White Cloak soldiers and 2R villagers. Tinkers likely in mix. Possibly Taren Ferry villagers.

 

Missing or unknown on light side. Tam, Abel, Bran, Verin, Tomas, Gaul, Devin Ride village, Watch Hill village, and Perrins companion guard.

 

Dark Forces mix of trollocs, fades, and dark friends possibly led by Padan Fain. Slayer/Lord Luc mia so far.

 

From previous 2 seasons battle scenes I think we will get some lite skirmishes then bulk of dark forces coming down from mountain following road to multiple direct assaults of 2R defenses.  I think previous raid in season 1 killed more 2R villagers than book battle. Possibly leading to building of palisades and defenses around 2R village prior to Perrins return. Female villagers seem completely integrated into defenses.  White cloaks seem to be fighting from ground as part of village defenses in multiple battle scenes. Battle will probably finish with Dark Forces breaching village defenses and some unknown force overwhelming Dark Forces after 2R forces pushes them out of village. From sneak peek I assume Ihvon killed in Tar Valon or early in 2R fighting. If Maksim is killed in 2R battle Alanna may pull an Eldrin and burn herself out ravaging Dark forces.  Not sure otherwise unless White cloak cavalry or Andoran Forces show up and save day.

 

I don't think show arc will have same impact as book for many reasons but wondering how others think how arc will play out or how you want it to go.

 

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My only thought is if they are going to bring in an outside force I could see them bringing in an Ogier force based on Loial speaking at a steading or them coming to save Loial. I am not that much of a fan of this but if they were to use an outside force to save the day then I could see them doing this.

 

Alanna going super Aes Sedai maybe? Don't like it though.

 

The fact that the whitecloaks are fighting with the 2R seems to indicate a fairly fundamental shift in that dynamic from the book.

[Guire]

We know we are getting Morgase, Galad, Gawain, and Elaida Sedai this season.  Also Faile does not seem to be traveling with Perrin, Aiel, and Loial in sneak peek.  Possibly Morgase sends Galad and Gawain led army to investigate Trolloc activity.  Or Elaida leads tower army.  Or Saildean army searching for Faile pops up.  Elaida could see Tower ignorance of trollocs in south and black sisters sudden appearance as reason to usurp Siuan.  Or Borderland army appearance could advance Perrin and Rands story and possible fall of Stone in next season.

[Mailman]

  On 3/2/2025 at 12:52 AM, Guire said:

We know we are getting Morgase, Galad, Gawain, and Elaida Sedai this season.  Also Faile does not seem to be traveling with Perrin, Aiel, and Loial in sneak peek.  Possibly Morgase sends Galad and Gawain led army to investigate Trolloc activity.  Or Elaida leads tower army.  Or Saildean army searching for Faile pops up.  Elaida could see Tower ignorance of trollocs in south and black sisters sudden appearance as reason to usurp Siuan.  Or Borderland army appearance could advance Perrin and Rands story and possible fall of Stone in next season.

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Thats along way for a borderland army to go and any nations army but Andor would be considered an invasion I would think. 

 

Elaida would have to get at least Hall permission to take an army. Would also assume a green would lead a tower force. If Elaida went i would think it most likely she went with Andoran forces. I doubt Elaida will go to 2R.

 

If Andor were to lift the siege it would impact Perrin becoming lord and the 2R considering itself sovereign. Not that they couldn't do away with that thread just assuming they would want to keep it.

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[MatsLuck]

I wouldn't mind a Tarren Ferry callback at all. I don't hate the Whitecloaks helping out, but I can't see how I'd like them saving the day. I wouldn't be surprised to see wolves involved in some way.

 

At the end of the day, I feel like there might be a "save the day" moment, I just hope it's not an army...I feel like it should be some kind of singular event, but I admittedly don't know how that gets accomplished. I just don't want it to overshadow the TR folk just winning from sheer stubbornness. And if they want to give the whole arc justice, there should be tangible losses on the side of the TR folk.

 

I don't think I've seen anything indicating the Tinkers there, but if we see Aram pick up a sword....I will give them a ton of credit for keeping that close to the vest.

[Guire]

A massive wolf pack plowing into dark forces similar to Watch Hill villagers would probably be my favorite choice.  They need to use more fog of war and less wolf dog close ups to make this work but it would be really satisfying.   I am hoping battle is a little more complex than sneak peak indicates but I don't think that has even been a top ten priority.  I have a bunch of cool ideas how they could make a female centric battle happen but just gonna wait and find out.  The line of village women with shields has been really annoying because it looks so close yet so far.  Fingers crossed they put some thought into it.