Mafia: Wild Wild West

[Safir]

Well, that's what this game is for, huh?  Learning.  Like I said, I doubt this is my kind of game.  But it was fun.

 

Yes, I made oopsies, but who hasn't?  Being my first game and having a role right off the bat, put a lot of preasure on me.  I think I did okay for a first time.  Then again, maybe not.

 

Boyo: Just for the sake of argument, let's say I was lying, that I wasn't the Sherif.  Wouldn't the real Sherif have counter-claimed by now?

[Vemynal]

Ok guys, I'm back from class. i'm going to begin casing my innocents but this could seriously freaking take awhile. Gonna do it tonight though.

[SBoydW]

Wouldn't the real Sherif have counter-claimed by now?

 

Not neccesarilly.  They could have found one of the evils or they may not have.  If they haven't then they for sure won't...

 

Yes, I made oopsies, but who hasn't?  Being my first game and having a role right off the bat, put a lot of preasure on me.  I think I did okay for a first time.  Then again, maybe not.

 

And please don't interpret my questionings as bashing you or how you've played... that's not how I've meant it.... I'm just trying to discern wether you're really a finder who honestly made a couple mistakes or an evil trying to use a fellow evil to make yourself look good.... which some are debating about over about me....

[Vemynal]

Guys, I've been working on this for 2 hours straight and I'm still only half way done. if I don't finish this thing within an hour I think I'm just going to have to finish it tomorrow. At the very absolute latest I'm going to bed by 1:30am. it is 11:13 pm atm I post this.

 

I know you've been waiting a long time for my self-case, plz just have some more patients if I don't have it done by 1:30am my time tonight. I'd get off work at 5pm my time tomorrow and would probably have it done my 7pm my time tomorrow.

 

I can't post it until I can post the whole thing because it has a lot of sensitive information that safir will use against me if I can't present it all at once.

 

Here to hoping i finish this tonight!

[Vemynal]

Here's your novel Nae, hope its a good read (18 pages on microsoft word!!!).

 

Just for the sake of argument, let's say I was lying, that I wasn't the Sherif.  Wouldn't the real Sherif have counter-claimed by now?

gee, you know what Safir, I've been wondering the same thing. You'll notice: Nae, leelou, Thorum, and sboyd have all posted by now. None of them have claimed to be the finer, yet I still claim I'm good your evil. i truly wonder why...

 

wait...no i don't

 

Its because I'm the damn Sherif you guys >.>. Look a few pages back only and you'll notice I had already started hinting at it "Why the

finder would do such and such" & "Oh i think the finder might be doing this because".

 

I was trying to stay alive you guys and not expose myself. If you have to know I never exposed myself because:

Night 1- I inspected Talya. i look for players with links to talya and formulate my master plan which was masterfully wrong on day 2 when we lynch her.

Night 2- i inspect sboyd. Yes I'm almost certain that twitch is evil. and that calyn in evil. But I thought it even more important to find out whether our other experienced player, sboyd, was evil. Look back, since after day 1 i haven't accused him of being evil once. I've brought up 'why can we trust you once or twice, but that was so he would explain himself because 1) I didn't understand and 2) I knew others would think it and wanted him to seem innocent. Call it tough love if you will.

Night 3- In my state of mind for day 3 we almost killed Nae, someone I'm sure is evil. I'm betting money against myself that day 4 we lynch her good. So i figure i should inspect twitchy and confirm he's the second since I started having doubts (if you look back you'll notice that as well). He's also night killed that night and my viewing was completely worthless. Though when you came out and said the whole "i chose sboyd night 2 & twitchy the third night" bit in your post. i actually started cracking up since I had as well. But where I blundered you had planned and prepared. at least now we know why twitchy was night killed. Sboyd you probably left to be your "innocent anchor" in this =/

 

So there you have it. And now I'll die tonight if you don't lynch me today. and I still don't know who the 2nd murderer is. And I'm betting there are 2 more since sboyd, talya, and toy agreed on it in the beginning. Now because you all wanted me to case my innocence I'm gonna get started on that.

 

My case of myself (green is previous and black is current):

3? for 12 people? The black tower ones I'm used to only have like 1 for every 8 or so O.o Then again this aint the BT so I'll go with your guess. Do I have to be sober now!?! awwww /goes all emo as he puts down the rum. I say we kill off an inactive person for day 1 So everyone make sure to post if you read this!

~I over exaggerated here. its actually more 1 in 5 not 8. i proposed killing off an inactive because the 2 serious games I've played at the Black tower had nights that would take 2 or 3 days because someone with night actions was inactive. It pissed everyone off and ruined the game. A day 1 lynch your likely to kill an innocent anyways, I figured it might as well be an inactive player.

 

Well the objective of the killers are to equal us civies so they can't have half the group or else its already game over.

so theoretically lets say the killers=1/4th the total of the group (12 of us, we suspect 3 total killers. Tis my reason for 1/4th).

so thats-3 killers,1 hero,8 civies. 8 of us are useless, were here so the killers have a hard time finding the Hero. 4 of us have a role. That means once 6 people are dead (assuming we find no killers) its game over. Since 2 people die a day thats 3 days in game. 1 of those is lynched (our choice) one of those is murdered (killers choice). That means we have only 3 shots at this before its "GG we dead". So on second thought, i agree with Jackdaw. Lets *NOT* waste our first day.

~i do some math to figure out how many days we have. Find we have 3 chances to lynch and if we don't find a murder we lose. And i withdraw my idea of killing off an inactive.

 

SBoydW, i don't really know you but in the Seanchan game Lillandra was doing exactly what your doing and was the murder. While I agree there likely is an evil player on the murder's team we don't know who it is. I'm not going to vote for you or talya at this time. But why should we trust you?

~I inquire why I should trust Sboyd's judgement. we find out later that he's right.

 

Dorrin wrote: "You know I am kind suspicious of Vemynal since he was the one to suggest killing off the inactive, yet this would probably benefit the mafia more than anyone else? Any thoughts on that anyone?"

 

that's kinda how we've been doing things at the Black Tower so thats why I suggested it XD our last game 1 of the murder's was entirely inactive and this time around one of the asha'men (person who protects someone during the night) is inactive. But if you'd read you'd find I agreed w/ Sboyd that may not be the best idea here. Anyways I say we either lynch Talya or Sboyd first since I agree one might be evil. And it's out best bet for a lynch right out the gate.

~Dorrin asks around about how killing off an inactive would be a mafia thing to do. i explain my comment and point out i've already retracted it. I express agreement that we should test boyd's theory. On himself or Talya. Which i do because again, We weren't sure we could trust him at the time.

 

its more fun when there arnt day time limits. Night i can understand since all that needs to happen then is the hero/seeker/murder's pming the Mod. And Talya brought up a good point. Barm *DOES* know what he's doing. Likely it was a random # generator to decide roles. Hell, even if it wasn't lets consider the fact that Barm made both Sboyd and Talya Civies as to allow us knew folk to learn the trade. Sboyd and Talya would be able to show us what "mere Civies" can contribute and help narrow things down/add to the game. Guys, I think our hunt for Talya/Sboyd might be a bad idea... At least until we sort this out a bit more why doesn't everyone "unvote"

~Again i bring up the night actions thing from the black tower. Talya's comment shakes my confidence in sboyd's idea a bit. I ask everyone to unvote till we figure things out, wouldn't a murder rather have been content with the band wagoning beginning to take place? i start to see the trend that sboyd controls the groups confidences more then talya and start thinking of viewing her during the night since if she's innocent I can build a case to defend her the next day possibly. If she's evil, well you know what happened when i found she was evil.

~You have to my name Dorrin. And in return! Dorrin Cuz I'm just that shallow ^^

This entire bit starting a vote on dorrin. all of it was for goofing off. Read it. How can you not tell I'm trying to be silly? i also forgot to actually add the word "Bold" in the sentance some how. Talya informs him later.

 

Considering there are 5 people up atm and there are 12 people playing I think we should just stick with whose up on the board for now and let the others "get out free" for day one i.e. Don't vote for people not already listed folks. Lets just pick one of us 5.

~I figured that out of the 5 people who have been voted (thats half the starting total) at least one must be a murder. And that we can't move the game along until we finally choose someone. What i was searching for was a collective agreement that someone might be an evil. Not a simple bandwagon for the soul purpose of getting day 1 over with. Mind I only propose this because none of you were willing to unvote and look at things more clearly.

 

Dorrin wrote: Well I would like to protest my innocence and express my desire to not be lynched. And I urge everyone not to jump on the bandwagon to kill me, and I still think Vemynal is evil.

 

O.o your so kind Razz Because of your charming words I shall Unvote come on guys...A band wagon kill? what happened to figuring this thing out? Hell my original vote for Dorrin was just cuz he voted for me.

~ok so Dorrin still calls me evil, he's about to die. and i unvote him because I think the reason I voted for him is stupid (that he voted for me so i voted him). I ask everyone to plz not just bandwagon and to think things over. I'm sorry, but what in this screams out evil to you? since the start i've called for us to calmly think things through. We end up with a senseless bandwagon and something like that tells us nothing.

 

heh, don't worry. All of us cept for Sboyd and Talya have little or no experience. To my knowledge only me, twitch, and toy have a little (played about 2-4 games elsewhere. maybe 1 of which by these rules). I'm saying we shouldn't bandwagon Dorrin because (and Twitch can attest to this) on the BT boards we played this (same rules) and all we did is bandwagon kill. "I declare this person evil!" "I'm not evil, your evil!" "/people vote to kill the less popular of the 2" We didn't kill a single murder Raz. On a fun side note though there were 2 sets of 2 players starting with the same name^^ Me and Val (we both start w/ V) Demi and Desiree (both start with D) mine and Val's name were next to each other and Demi/Desiree's weren't. As a joke I said we should lynch them first because it was suspicious. We didn't vote for them. they were the murder's O.o

~All this is pretty much me 1) being silly 2) pointing out that some of us do have some slight experience. 3) AGAIN! that we "shouldn't bandwagon Dorrin". I then point out the problems of bandwagoning and how in the most resent BT game we lost horribly. i also point out my first post, my first guess i figured out both murderers in that game. it had gotten my confidence in my skills up higher then they really were.

 

I don't really wanna bandwagon vote on Dorrin (i will if I have to but I don't like it =/ )

~4th time! the 4th time i've said "lets not kill him!". Only difference is I admit that I will if I have too. Calyn points out that I'm "actign suspicious". and I certainly was, assuming Dorrin was evil and i was an evil defending him. We know wasn't the case =/

 

geez, I decide not to bandwagon someone and i get threatened =/ People! My reason was a very fickle reason to be voting for Dorrin. Give me a good reason to vote for him and I will. And because 6 already have is not a good reason =/

~Again, *5th TIME!!!* I sya we shouldn't bandwagon him. I'm threatened by Toy and Calyn *does* vote for me.

 

Fine! Whatever! Geez! Dorrin, you have my apologies if your innocent. But I have Calyn whose voting for me since "not voting for you is suspicious" and Toy whose pressuring me because "the day should just end already". I wanted to see if we could case someone considering how many people have voted for someone etc. But the fact is they want blood and I'm going to die if they don't kill you apparently.

~I cave a few posts after because I'm afraid of being lynched. i tried to play the game smart, you all wanted to just rush on. we know how that turns out.

 

Dorrin wrote: Wow, I'm dead because of another person's inability to resist peer pressure. Its highschool all over again.

 

Well it's not like you've been so nice to me either =/ I mean fact is you tried to get a band of people to lynch me, have constantly throughout people voting for you instead have pointed a finger at me, and then in the end I feel bad because all of the votes against your are *purely* bandwagon votes and so unvote you. Leelou-"Random voting: Dorrin" Toy- "things need to get going and Someone has to go" basically he wants day 1 over with. jackdaw- "It's true, someone does have to go" Sboyd- "Alright it seems the votes are begining to congregate so" Amethea- "It seems that a bandwagon has rolled into town, too." Twitch- "Sorry, the first round is always a bugger, and you can't do anything BESIDES a bandwagon pretty much" Me- Because you voted for me! I was the only one who had a good reason to vote for you in the first place! i try to save you from being hung by ending the bandwagon and making people think but then they attacked me! I repeat *I had the only good reason to vote for you: self defense* So don't give me this "oh its high school all over again" crude Edit: And yes I know a couple posts up I said "I had a fickle reason", thats back before I found out everyone voted as a snowballing bandwagon. If you don't like it, deal cuz I'm on the war path atm

~ Proof that I did 3 in class essays:

You can see the scores are: 19, 23.5 and 22.5. This is out of a total possible of 50 each essay.I bombed it as I knew I would. I knew i did horrible after I came home from writing these. I wasn't in a good mood.

So this is where all hell breaks loose. but it takes a bit of explaining I think. You see, I *HATED* high school. I still get mad just thinking about it some times. So this comment "Wow, I'm dead because of another person's inability to resist peer pressure. Its highschool all over again." was REALLY the worst thing you could say to me when i was already pissed the hell off. I have been ridiculed. Girls I liked refused to go out with me because a ton of people spread this rumor around that I was gay (I'm not  >:(). Again with the ridicule. i was never popular and had almost no friends actually at my highschool. Those I made at school were just to give me some company. They were usually the worst with the ridiculing me bit =/. So I went bonkers on him, and I'm sorry for it. it didn't help things that i had been seeing myself as his savior up till that time and then he said that to me. So I go through and look at everyone who voted for him and found that i was the only one with a reason to vote. leelou also kinda had a reason but she didn't say it in her post she voted in, but earlier. That he choose to insult me outta everyone again, infuriated me even more. Sorry but it all the truth. i was pissed as hell, I was fed up, and i was out for blood (behind the scenes I later got in a huge fight with my parents and almost got into a fist fight with my brother. Believe me when I sya I was on a war path).

 

/roar!!! /continues warpath

I had also linked some rather violent pictures with this post. This was just me venting anger. How you can read more into this I'm actually surprised because i wouldn't expect a nub murderer to even do this while he was a murder. It would just be too stupid of a move to make. None the less you all started looking at me over it and fact is I was just pissed off. You notice right after this was when Dorrin posted he was just kidding and I calm down a bit. I even return to my silly self and in a post after his joke about myself a bit.

 

ok, so its thorum, now I should remember it XD Guys...the pic were there for emphasis about how pissy I was last night...Since i need to explain myself apparently; I wake up. check this thread. go to work. check this thread after work. study. check this thread. go to school. check this thread (ok...I'm a addict and I know it now...) Anyways I made my "ok! stop bugging me I'll vote him!" post after spending 3 hours reading some rather "annoyingly detailed" historical essays. Then I went to class and we had a Pop EXAM! based on the essays i couldn't quite understand...Fairly certain when I go to class tonight I'll have tanked it and that was worth about 20% of my grade. My "warpath" was anyone who I came in contact with was "going down" last night >.>

What I just explained above I had already explained here =/. Btw, in my constitutional America's class. exam=lots o in class essay writing.

 

Day1 recap:

So Dorrin has died, despite my continues warning that we shouldn't kill someone without thinking it threw. Talya and Calyyn have both voted for me. Sboyd has been pretty up and in arms over killing talya off the bat. I decide that sboyd, who we know is one of the experienced players here to help us out, might be worth trusting for now and that we should take a good long look at Talya. So as the sheriff I decide too and I discover in the morning that she is indeed evil and that sboyd was right. Immediately the question comes to mind whether he's evil as well and tryign to separate themselves from each other in the beginning. So I decide to view him for night 2.

 

Day2:

Toy died...why kill Toy? I mean, ok, so he accused Sboyd. But I'm sure we can all agree Sboyd's not dumb enough to be so obvious. So is it someone whose trying to pin it on Sboyd? or someone whose trying to make us think that...Sboyd, Talya, can we get your opinions? you are our senior players after all.

~i bolded the part where i tried to hint at his innocence and support his choice of Talya. You'll notice in this post she is an after thought entirely when asking for her opinion. its always after sboyd's. I had to add her in to seem less suspicious and less of a threat to the murderers because i didn't want to be night killed.

 

I kinda agree with Sboyd. Toy dying does make Talya look more evil. I'd still appreciate Talya's point of view on Toy's death. but you've accused me once and said I'm evil a couple of times now =/ How much i really wanna throw my lot with yours I'm not to sure./hides for protection behind Sboyd from scary Talya

~Boyd, thinking back on this...are you blind? geez >.> anyways I pretty openly throw my lot behind sboyd's in this post. I still call for talya to post because I don't wanna seem like I know something other's don't. But again, read the bold.

yeah, I just did a full reread myself and caught a few things that are a bit odd. Thing is, I keep sticking my head out here and you guys keep whacking at it. So reread and see the things for yourself. it takes like 10 minutes to read it all and they all pretty obvious. I'm thinking of doing a list of people and listing possible motives, etc. Sboyd, I've never heard of "casing" before but on the double blind they gathered everything the person has said in the entire thread up into one post and analyzed them and their possibility to be a murder. Since this is a newbie game, why don't you do one and then explain how they are done/why people do them?

~Again, trying to get sboyd to make Talya seem more evil. It wasn't very needed after all since he didn't do one and we killed her but yeah, there was a method to my madness

Don't worry Amethea, that is in fact a purpose to people doing "reviews" (my word for lining the names up since I don't know the real name for it) Thing is its not just innocents that could do these reviews obviously. If an innocent does it then its to gather information into one spot for people to view and then for the innocent player to pull a decision from. A murder doing a review can use that information to make someone innocent look guilty A finder doing a review, who found someone evil, might do a review and while not exposing themselves by saying "I 'viewed' so and so and they are evil" can still put a lot of heavy evidence into someone looking evil. I don't know what a cop would do for that though =/ But yeah, just cause we do reviews doesn't mean we are innocent. Always important to remember that.

In this post i point out: 1) That Amethea shouldn't trust reviews completely. 2) that a murderer doing a review will change things (Talya had done one already), 3) that a *FINDER* doing a review and I quote myself here; "A finder doing a review, who found someone evil, might do a review and while not exposing themselves by saying "I 'viewed' so and so and they are evil" can still put a lot of heavy evidence into someone looking evil.". Especially since In my review that is going to come up I peg onto talya as a murderer and go after her hard core after that. i also had finished examining who I thought was evil. if i died and was revealed to be the finder then players would seek out and kill those 3 or 2 left anyways so i was content with the risk. i still didn't expose myself since I had a chance to live still.

 

My review. info about my review- Green is innocent, Red is Murder, Blue is innocent w/ special role. Purple is unknown (and also marks the beginning of their review)

Alive players

Talya- Sboyd votes to lynch Talya and she says that they shouldn't lynch each other since if both innocent then we lose our experienced players. Says roles are usually randomly selected. Talya accuses me of being evil. Says we should lynch Asrid day 1 if Barm is going to mod kill him. Talya doesn't bandwagon Dorrin. is worried the evils will kill Boyd to set Talya up. Talya votes for me after the 8 votes for Dorrin are in claiming she thinks I'm evil. Day 2 Sboyd votes for Talya off the bat again. Does a quick review on page 14. All together she has been trying to dodge Sboyd's attempts this whole time. Also has expressed interest in my aliment almost as much as Boyd has hers. W/ the exception of Sboyd she seems to clean for my tastes =/

Twitchy- Twitch day 1 votes randomly for Talya and Calyn. Then bandwagons Dorrin. Killers would want to kill off innocents day one. But they also might separate themselves from each other day one. If Calyn or talya is evil Twitchy could be evil and trying to separate himself from them. Or he could be innocent and trying to judge reactions like he said. Which is a decent move for day 1. He then bandwagons Dorrin for day one for no reason (which since all but me had no reason, we can't draw anything from that). He also hasn't posted here since his vote for Dorrin. Trying to lay low?

Calyn Jessand- Day 1 wishes to wait for everyone before voting. has brought up constantly how new she is at the game. She votes for me when I don't vote for Dorrin. Assuming I'm innocent and shes evil she's looking to bump off one civy if she can't the other. Talya seems to be protecting her by always finding her innocent and Talya thinks I'm evil. Sboyd put calyn as 3rd most likely to be evil because she "resisted" his idea of talya being evil (which ties Talya and Calyn even closer together). After toys death calyn says she thought he might be evil and admits being wrong about it. While i can't say Calyn is evil as of yet I'd say its possible Calyn is protecting Talya if the both evil (& visa versa). Or They both think each other is innocent and both are innocent.

Amethea- Aemthea was very hesitant to vote during the day 1. But nothing that wasn't cautious. Sboyd puts her as 2nd on his "evil list" for resisting his idea of Talya being evil. Eventually joins the bandwagon to kill Dorrin and then actively wonders about unvoting Dorrin but doesn't (mainly because barm killed dorrin shortly after).

SboydW- Day 1 wants to lynch Talya, comments that likely since he's innocent Talya is evil. We can't know he's innocent but he seems to be helpful so far. Unvotes to vote for Dorrin as part of the band wagon for day 1. At the beginning of day 2 votes for Talya again. Expresses the belif that me, Calyn and Amethea are possibly evil because we defended Talya.

Safir- active but quiet seemingly. The first day didn't vote for anybody. Remarks how I'm suspicious looking beginning of day 2 (I don't think your alone in your feelings XD)

leelou- 1st vote for Dorrin, because she thinks he might be evil for pointing a finger at me about me being evil. Could me and her be working together as evils? or are we both innocent and think the other is innocent. (Which i just brought up her possibility of being evil so i wonder if she will still think I'm innocent XD).

Vemynal- (guys, i'm going to seriously go after myself here. but don't be afraid to still go after me w/ your own reviews). I express doubt at there being 3 killers, then ask to have an inactive lynched day 1. I eventually vote for Dorrin in what I later claim is self defense. I later unvote for Dorrin before he can be killed when I realize that he's going to die because 2 people band wagoned. I comment how we shouldn't band wagon vote him off and then re-vote for him after a couple hours because Calyn voted for me and Toy seemed ready too. Talya later when online follows this up and votes for me. I also post some rather destructive/violent images later before barm kills Dorrin off. At the beginning of day 2 jackdaw votes for me for no reason and has held the vote. Safir also expresses how I seem suspicious. (ok, i failed at doign this as a 3rd person, someone else can review me if you want and I'll plug it in).

Jackdaw- Seemed almost inactive till day 2. During day 1 he voted in the band wagon for Dorrin but that was it. This guy wants me dead for some reason O.o. Starts off day 2 by voting for me and has held the vote since. then when I do a review he mentions how useless one this early in the game would be. Obviously knows how to play since he was in the double blind. Is he evil and trying to kill me off and to stop me from influencing you guys with my review?

Thorum- Replaces Asrid on bottom of page 7. Takes his role. covered some stuff he though suspicious from his reading of our thread. he then lists talya, me, and Sboyd as most likely to be evil and then votes for Talya.

 

Dead players

Dorrin- Dorrin is lynched by (in order) Leelou, me, Toy, Jackdaw, Sboyd, (at this time I unvote) Amethea, Twitchy, Me again.

Toy and Minion- Toy during day one votes for Sboyd, then Dorrin, then expresses puzzlement at my unvoting Dorrin.

Now for the highly opinionated parts!

The 3 people I think are evil are:

Twitchy

Talya

Calyn

Not particularly in that order.

Think about it, Twitchy randomly votes for Calyn and talya day 1 to establish disconnection. Calyn and talya have so far been reluctant to admit the other could be evil.

Calyn and talya after knowing Dorrin is a goner and knowing he's innocent vote for me to keep some level of suspicion on me.

Twitchy changes his vote from Calyn to Dorrin to help get an innocent killed. Then disappears from the board to "lie low" while calyn and Talya take turn being "actives" who can influence the crowd while keeping twitchy as their safe man.

They also had motive to kill Toy. Toy voted for Sboyd who had voted for Talya and expressed suspicion of Calyn. With twitchy safe under Sboyd's radar they could kill Toy and peg the blame on Sboyd. They couldn't kill Sboyd because he commented that if he died during the night they should kill Talya.

Its still a work in progress but this is my plan =/. I think Talya, Twitchy, and Calyn are all the Mafia!

~I still think that i did a good job with the materials I was given =/. Anyways we were able to kill talya off and i like to think at least that my review helped in that a little. For once I didn't back sboyd up ad go all "he's for sure innocent" because I 1) didn't know he was and 2) The real purpose of this was to get a vote on talya, convince other to vote talya, and list those I thought were evil and if I were killed to lynch next.

 

as to twitchy...Emergency planning much? Likely to keep you innocent looking should Talya ever come under heavy fire you were told to vote on her! Your "game" is an excuse to wait till she's able to pm you tomorrow when she wakes up! And Calyn has defended her as well, why not mention her? While Ameth has too she has been a lot more blunt about it which a murder I think would try to be a bit more sly and keep things from being so noticeable. Isn't it also curious how he asks us to not lynch Talya till he is able to get back tomorrow? Geee, what happens tomorrow?...oh yeah! I leave for the week end and you guys get to influence the group =/

It also gives Talya time to redirect this onto someone else in the mean time!While before i was certain about Talya and "pretty sure" about Twitchy and Calyn. I'm now defiantly sure about Twitchy! I say we knock off those 3 fast!

~Ok, so we know i was dead wrong in this post. You have to admit from what he gave me my conclusions were sound in theory, just not in reality. Twitchy seemed really suspicious for going all "I'm voting for talya but I can't say why right now. I'll tell more later". If i wasn't the finder I probably would have thought him it and taken some pressure off of him about that. But since I was i knew he couldn't be and went after him. it was a mistake, we are now paying for it =/

 

Well, i kinda admit i want Jackdaw to die for voting for me for his reason (that he didn't have one) XD But i'm sure that will pass and for now hold my vote steadily on Talya

I just added this in here to address the issue that I didn't go after jackdaw all those times he went after me. Yes later on i give in and he gets lynched. You have no idea how much I'm regretting that at this time though. A half baked idea of Jackdaw and Safir had been forming at this time. I eventually drop the idea of Safir being evil when I change my vote later and we find Jackdaw to be innocent.

 

*side note* Woot! now I'm actually on this thread at least! thats gotta be like half way done right? plz god? its been 2.5 hours now >.> (god, and on Microsoft word where I'm storing this in case of a crash its just reached 9 pages in length O.o)

 

btw, quick question. I must have missed this when i read over looking for safir's posts. But why did you vote for sboyd in the middle of day 2 if you *knew* i was evil hmm?

 

anyways its Night in the game and at this time I've sent a pm in and asked barm if sboyd is innocent.

 

Seeing as boyd got Talya killed and Talya was evil, it might be a wise decision for the protector to protect Boyd

Since I was going to find out sboyd's role the next day anyways, and if he was innocent they might really go after him. if he was evil then we protected him for one night and I could get him killed the next day anyways. We know now that he's been innocent this whole time.

 

I doubt talya and sboyd were playing the "i'm the perfect innocent, kill off an ally early to establish my innocence" game like damandred did in the last fiddles game. its way to risky

My crappy attempt at trying not to be night killed :D. Which I'm glad to say has worked so far^^. + again: i could just come out "oh he is evil after all" next day if he was. otherwise again it keeps suspicion off him.

 

Your killing vote twitch wasn't a killing vote. You simply gave her the 4th vote that placed her 2 more votes then jackdaw and sboyd. your vote actually hadn't been needed, but thx for admitting you were the last person to vote, and voted after I had accused Talya. I still think yo evil and that you simply were the last vote to try and seem more innocent

Again: Sorry, I screwed up. But I still claim my concerns were legitimate!

 

Day 2 recap: I know talya is evil, I become curious over whether sboyd is evil or good and decide to check him out. in the mean time I figure I'll call him innocent to be less of a likely night kill if he's evil and if he's innocent i help protect him early on.

Talya dies and we find out she was evil.

I propose my plan about twitchy, nae and talya. So far I'm 1 right, 1 wrong and 1 very likely i was wrong.

Safir changes his vote to sboyd for no explained reason. Never noticed this till now, care to explain Safir?

 

Day3 begins!:

hmm ok sboyd, according to my theory Calyn was a murder, since Nae replaced her she should also be a murder.

This way, in case I'm wrong about twitchy (still think I'm right, just less sure of myself) we lynch someone else on my list i though was a murder. sorry Naeann

I discover Sboyd is innocent. He begins by deciding we should lynch Nae. Nae has replaced Calyn whom i thought evil so sine i know he's innocent i agree off the bat. you also notice I'm happy to kill nae instead of tiwtchy because I'm steadily becoming less sure of him.

 

i then make a big post explaining Nae the rules.To get my point across I mention how she can't even trust me. For some reason you guys took more outta that then there was. Can I ask why a murderer would confess in this game?

 

I banter with nae a bit about why she's likely going to be lynched right after joining and explaining how its not my fault.

 

Sboyd unvotes Nae and votes Jackdaw. At this point I'm a bit torn because i really do believe nae is a murderer. But jackdaw is also trying to get me killed for no reason other then "I think he's evil" which seems a bit suspicious and if i can be honest a bit scary. i mean you can't like being voted for after all. The idea of Jackdaw and Safir trying to influence votes against me because they've found out i'm the finder scares the crap outta me. So I decide to check things out and vote jackdaw. if he was evil I would have explained everything that had happened to date and then called for protection for the night. but he was good so I decided i screwed up again and that Safir must be good as well. In this I try to confuse people a bit by talking about how "oh so many of u think I'm evil", "I'm trying to lynch the only person who says I'm innocent". Basically trying to seem a more likely candidate to be lynch the next day so they don't night kill me. Guess it worked to well looking at our current conditions. I also inquire as to where Safir has gone. If the night would take a long time and jackdaw was evil then thats like a sure clue that Safir must be evil. Which it didn't, though that didn't prove his innocents.

 

I end up blowing some steam off on jackdaw as you'll remember. Claiming "oh I thought if I acted weird I would flush out a murderer". yeah, that was a pitiful attempt at me trying to seem not evil while not special. Fact is I've been bumbling my way through this game since the beginning just like Calyn pointed out during day 2. I had to give a reason for knowing talya was evil without beign the finder or evil and a reason for my sloppy playing. Thus we have that horrible post =/

 

2 things sboyd

1) Your making a big mistake

2) Jackdaw is already "dead" and has revealed his role under the fact that Barm's been away all day and told us to move the thread along if he was ever afk for a prolonged period of time

The votes over and we lynched an innocent, that sucks and all but you can't claim "do-overs" so you can do it all over again with a new civy

Even here i tried hinting at my being the finder. Whats the worse thing an innocent can do then kill another civy? kill the finder ( I know, I'm the one who did it in the seanchan game).

its also why I fought so hard the last couple posts against jackdaw. In any event i now knew jackdaw was innocent and by connection assumed Safir was innocent. So I decide that since nae will likely be brought up tomorrow, and that her and twitchy were looking equally guilty that if I inspect twitchy, and he's evil then I come out as the finder and explain "twitchy is evil, I'm the finder" and all that jazz.

 

Jackdaw, why o why do you have to keep coming after me? you've freaking doomed us.

I can count it already-

Sboyd has pretty much declared for me

Safir has voted for me before

Thorum has declared for me

Nae, considering I think her and twitchy are evil will probably go for me

Twitchy will bandwagon me whether he thinks I'm evil or not if I have 3 votes if for nothing else then self protection

I might as well face the music, I'm a dead man walking at this point =/

At this point I'm pretty much expecting it to be an all out me v. Nae for day 4. I decide that if I view twitchy and he's evil then I can com out as the finder and tell everyone he's evil. Nae would have no choice but to back me up in my decision or else confirm my conclusions about her and Twitchy and then strengthen the vote against herself.

 

Already mentioned this nae a few posts back, why in hell would the murder kill me during the night atm?

Right now I'm a sure lynch for day 5, which means if the night kill for nights 4 & 5 go through the murders win.

But then again I'm just restating your plan back to you arn't I nae

I'm trying to give the murderers even less reason to night kill me whiel pushing more suspicion onto nae who i think at this time is evil.

 

nae then calls for me to explain why I think she's evil so I do a mini-case of her with what i have:

DAY 1:

after Sboyd's first vote for Talya on day one:

Calyn: "Okay, you're right, good idea.

I still would like to wait until everyone is present to vote, if that's okay."

Hoping to save her?

Talya, a little later, with Calyn and Sboyd being the two most posters: "Kill off an inactive...higly likely to be innocent and you gain no info."

some later, still Talya: "Calyn...nothing there neither"

Calyn, still day one: "My reluctance to vote for either experienced player stands at this point"

In the end, she jumps on the Dorrin-bandwagon.

DAY 2

"Vemy, you're being so fumbly you're either evil and trying too hard or just innocent and fumbly. I can't decide which. You kinda freaked me out with your emotional displays earlier. I am going to have to think on it harder. (But PS congrats on passing your exams!!!)": Calyn was much more fumbly than me in the start (see her giant switches in the above quote and the one above that as well)

NIGHT 2

"WOW!  WE GOT ONE!!

No thanks to me... I didn't see that one coming either, yikes.  I must have bad instincts."

Obviously trying to be not-knowing

repeats this a couple of times

DAY 3

"If it helps any i changed my mind three times before posting.": just after voting jackdaw; probably knowing it was wrong

"I didn't vote for you... and from reading the threads I'd have good reason to." Nae, voting for people just because they are voting for you is a bad idea, I've done it twice now (Dorrin, Jackdaw) both times were huge mistakes.

NIGHT 3

"How do you know I'll make it that far?  I could die on the night one." Not as afraid as before

"Vemy... thats IF you make it that far... there's still the night killing.  Not worried about that?  *smirks*  You wouldn't be if you were evil." Again, not as afraid of a night kill, almost as if waiting for it.

Now I'll admit Nae that this helped me, your question helped calm me down. I had gotten stuck in a "Lynch Nae! not me!" fervor and that could have lost us the game.

But I still think I have a legitimate case against you so far, at this point one thats even better then the one I have for twitchy.

So i list all my reasons for thinking nae is evil, i find it slightly less then what I thought i had against her and am beginning to wonder whether I have a strong enough case to be truly going after her. I decide to let my pm over twitch's alignment decide things and if she isn't lynched day 4 for siding with twitchy i can view her during night 4 if I'm still alive. a little risky but by this time I've already sent in my pm to barm and i kinda support that plan still.

 

Then twitchy is night killed and i receive a pm that he's innocent. That blew.

So my concept of nae being evil has been shot down, because without twitchy Nae/calyn loses a good bit of her connection to talya. i call for everyone not to kill Nae as i have less on her then i thought i did. and with twitchy being innocent (and dead) I have even less an argument against her then ever. i decide to take things slowly and go threw all the remaining players (i don't actually read sboyd's posts since i know he's innocent, though i do ask him to explain the bit about talya, the big thing everyone is still looking at him funny over)

 

Barm makes a post and in it someone recognizes a murderer. No I know Barm doesn't include actions in his stories. he said so back when he had me and Dorrin going at it. But I decide to sneak a few things in here in case boyd will notice them:

Twitch wasn't an evil...

Nae, I may be wrong about you and believe me when I say I'll be holding off from voting till I can make sense of everything.

To everyone else, plz remember that if we don't kill a murder today then we are done for unless our protector finally gets it right (which is only a 1 in 5 shot)

So while I know everyone is itching to put the rope around my neck, plz at least take some time to view others.

Some good news! It sounds as if the finder found an evil! I doubt barm would have written there just for the show!

Some bad news, now the murderers may claim to be the finder. Which since we only have a day left to tell we can't decide whom to trust.

So while we know who 1 of the murderers is, who do we trust? And now knowing this, will the finder come forward at all? so will only a murder come forward?

Sadly it all come back to our own opinions again >.>

But at least we can suppose this much:

Because of how few people left there are and the murders close to winning, I doubt they will propose one of their own as a murder for today. So if we figure out who the murder is (pretending to be the finder) we can assume that player he votes for is innocent

For the real finder will propose a real murderer. So if we can figure out who the murder pretending to be a finder is we can 1) figure out either both the murders or one of the murders based on who the finder viewed/who the murderers choose to pretend to be the finder

We can figure out who 2 innocents are! 1 of which is rolled and should be protected tonight!

There is yet hope^^

Read the bold. I'm asking people not to kill me off the bat, now thats not hidden, but its still there and important in my opinion.

I even make a comment about not killing me so i can "view" others if we get a murder tonight.

I wanted to be prepared for a murderer to pretend to be the finder for today and planted one of the bolded statements in case he did. I even placed the murderer pretending to be the finder first in my statement as a hint that I'm not coming out as the finder unless i absolutely have to and the murderer has already claimed to be the finder. So again: the murderer pretending to be a finder is mentioned first. because whoever the first admitted finder is and who they propose to be evil will likely be innocent (mind I didn't know at the time that they would propose myself).

 

After barm says i was wrong:

Well I am opposed to editing out things in this thread (other then grammar/spelling) so I'll leave it there.

But i'm gonna edit in a big, "I have been disproved" thing at the top.

Sides, i think it was either Barm or Talya in the seanchan game who explained that exact same thing to me and i found it useful for this game so I'll leave it as a tip for the new guys XD.

I don't want to remove what i've said though I very well could. especially since its one of those posts that makes me look a little iffy. I mention that barm and Talya (good talya by the reference) had even given me the "tip" and that you guys should all read it.

 

Nae, you misunderstand. I'm not trying to to accuse you atm, I'm just saying your still the only person whose on my radar atm. I'm being patient and rereading the thread a couple of times. If others voted for you I don't know whether i'd vote for you. Honestly I'd like to look at everyone and compare. I *STILL* don't freaking have anything on thorum or safir. I know I'm innocent. and Nae I've already "cased" you so while your on my radar I'm not actually looking at you. Right now I'm studying sboyd but can't find anything. He's made 1 right decision off the bat and that was to lynch talya. If her and him set that up in the beginning to make him seem totally innocent then it worked cuz I just don't see it. leelou I haven't looked at yet since I'm still studying sboyd's posts. But if you assume sboyd's innocent. then leelou looks suspicious for voting for him and opposing him this whole time. But if he's evil then she could be the saint whose seen through the issues at hand. leelou, I know I'm askin you this so I *CAN* (and will) case you, but know that I'm walking into it with a blank opinion. I'd just appreciate it if you could explain your posts a little for us.

I bolded the bit about thorum and Safir because I honestly didn't have anything on them at the time. To tell the truth i still don't have anything on Thorum. He really could just believe that I'm evil Safir is good. Something that influenced my decision to come out with my role is his refusal to unvote me till a new finder appears. Fact is i don't like admitting my role cuz it obviously places me in a lot of danger. But I'm admittedly in even more danger atm. Also, the bit about reading sboyd's posts. thats all BS. I was studying leelou that whole time. Thats why I asked her to go over her stuff herself so i could compare what I thought up with what she said and see if I found any errors in motivation. Which like I said later i didn't. Doesn't make her innocent but didn't make her look any more guilty either.

 

leelou says: "I just am at a bit of a loss because his day one suggestion to lynch the other regular player ended up being true that she was Bloodhound gang. That was just a little too convenient.". This is exactly why I'm call sboyd to explain himself right after. To get suspicion off him.

 

great, so I've finished reading through Sboyd's posts (though sboyd if you'd mind clearing up some of your reasons for voting that would help me) And the reason leelou looked suspicious was because she hadn't explained anything. Now that she has i can understand her votes. & like I said before I don't have enough to be going on for sure w/ Nae so I don't wanna vote her till I've seen every angle So Safir, Thorum, I'm gonna be looking into you guys, plz clarify matters if I bring any up (was writing this while leelou posted, then safir posted while I wrote the second bit and found my previous post)

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Do you mean all my reasonings for just day 3 or for this whole thread? I don't have time for the whole game atm cuz, well honestly I shouldn't even be online right now, i should be reading a book for an essay due tomorrow. for day 3 I already explained my reasons on day 2 and i stuck to my guns this whole time up till we found out twitchy was innocent. My reasons can be seen here in my big "review" post. You can skip the first half which is the actual review (read talya, twitchy, and Calyn though to help with my accusations) and then my accusations of talya, twitchy and calyn. its my second post here: http://dragonmount.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17165&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=210

Again, that was BS. I had just finished goign over leelou's posts and decided since i found nothing odd to just come out and say "I'm done with sboyd and leelou" since i was. leelou asks me for an explanation, since I just asked her for one I think it's only fair that I give one and i gave a quick one that wouldn't give away to much about my role and knowing that talya was evil.

 

its at this point that Safir has come out and said that he is the sheriff and this whole bit has begun.

 

In relation to Safir's questions- you don't, in fact you have to assume everyones lying.

Something I was once told though; "The best lie has its foundation in truth".

So with experienced sboyd i've been looking at that. For the rest of you i've been making the assumption that your new and your lies would be a bit less skill full. So I'm lookign for bits that don't fit.

But all the pieces fit, even if they are suspicious. That why were lost =/

The bolded piece is something i added to show anyone who might have noticed my earlier works that I found leelou to be not suspicious.

 

Its kinda funny because I posted this and then took off and didn't come back for a few minutes and didn't notice the whole thorum/safir exchange. Also, at the post where you find the above you'll notice its been recently edited. Thats because I must have accidentally posted that big thing about leelou's questions in there as well for some reason. That's all that was taken out.

 

O.o and now things move along at least

Well then, i know I'm innocent. So likely Safir is evil then and pretending to be the finder. Or he's a civy who thinks I'm evil and is pulling a stunt (not likely).

Why should anyone believe you Safir? i admit that vs. you whose seemed to be an angel this whole game I lack the credibility to make you seem evil. But I know am innocent and now I'm stuck =/

You played a good game Safir, my hats off to you.

Yes, I know if I was evil i'd say this as well. But From the start i claimed he was a false finder.

 

1) so your saying the reasons people should believe you is because your telling the truth? And btw, I covered this already, the real finder might be staying hidden since there *are* two murders left and for all the finder knows were both evil and putting this on to smoke him or her out.

2) Barm never claimed I'm evil. I've claimed I'm evil, but I also said that their was a difference between evil and murderer. i was making a joke about how I'm a rather evil person off the net.

3) According to yourself, u knew I was evil night one. When Day 2 started Jackdaw voted for me off the bat. You waited for awhile and then voted for me half way threw. You didn't "jump on". You made a post finding me suspicious and then going after me in another a day and half later. Oh and btw, why did this "revealment" come out when i stated reading your posts more closely?

Again: I was trying to stay hidden, thankx for forcing me out of hiding.

 

Thorum: "1 will not happen. Normally, if a finder has found an evil and it's endgame, the finder reveals. If safir fake-claims, someone else will claim, since we'll then know safir (or the counter-claimer) is quilty."

 

thats part of my reason that I'm finally admitting, because you guys have left me no choice but to come out unless i want Safir to freaking win.

 

Safir: "The thing is, he's not innocent."

leelou: "I understand that, but there is still another player who has not posted yet since your reveal."

 

feeling the <3 leelou, try to at least stay neutral till my defense plz >.>

 

Sboyd: "Okay one, I didn't. If you look at my posts I only stated it as a theory, it was one that made perfect sense to me so I ran with it and stuck with it and it turned out to be right.... I think I even made a statement not to dissimilar to what you said about it screwing us if I was wrong.  I made it clear that it was a risky theory and it could make or break the game for us if I was wrong.

For two... I was of the thinking that you and twitch were playing a finger pointing game as to throw us off that you two were evil... well when Twitch died and was proved innocent that was kind of thrown out the window... I'm still not to surea bout you though... but I'm thinking twice now.

For three.... I'm not gonna make your case for you.

I do have one question for Safir.  I know you're a newbie at this game, so maybe I'm not thinking newbie enough.... The first day the only reason that Talya wasn't lynched was because she was a "regular" even though most agreed that my theory was fairly solid and one of us (Talya or I the two regulars) was innocent and one was evil... so why did you not view Talya or I the first night?  Usually the finders views who the rest of the crowd thinks is most suspicious, on night one it was Talya and I.... in this case you viewed someone, who at the time, was not seen as to suspicious.

If you could give me your thought patern behind why you viewed vemy that would be greatly helpful in my decission to decide if your claim is true or not."

My bad O.o. Like i've explained here i never actually read your posts, I knew you were innocent  on day 3 so there was no need. Just trying to get people to stop starring at you funny  :-[

 

Safir: "I admit, I thought Talya was innocent.  And Vems actions were strange so I thought I better check him out.  I didn't buy his story about having done poorly on his quiz/test.  That may have been true, but I thought it very weird that he would express his anger so."

I have pics now to prove myself^^ take that!

 

SBoyd: "Not neccesarilly.  They could have found one of the evils or they may not have.  If they haven't then they for sure won't...

And please don't interpret my questionings as bashing you or how you've played... that's not how I've meant it.... I'm just trying to discern wether you're really a finder who honestly made a couple mistakes or an evil trying to use a fellow evil to make yourself look good.... which some are debating about over about me...."

I haven't found an evil, i was planning on staying hidden, sucks to be me i guess.

And @ the bold...again with the impressive neutrality I've seen =/

Why did I just spend 4 hours typing something that you all liekyl won't even read... /sigh

 

And there you have it! its long and scary but its my case of my innocence and my proof of my role as the finder.

 

Take it as you will. its 1:45 here, i stay up later then i said I would to finish this thing.

 

You may now commence with the lynching of me since I can tell your all dying to get at it (can I request you all at least read my case first though? so I didn't waste 4 hour for nothing >.>)

[Thorum]

Congrats on the novel-writing. Too bad I'll have to wait for 12 hours before I'll have time enough to read it all. Sorry.

[Safir]

Okay, Vem, I haven't read all of it yet, but I skimmed through.  Two things, so far.

 

Night 1- I inspected Talya. i look for players with links to talya and formulate my master plan which was masterfully wrong on day 2 when we lynch her.

Night 2- i inspect sboyd. Yes I'm almost certain that twitch is evil. and that calyn in evil. But I thought it even more important to find out whether our other experienced player, sboyd, was evil. Look back, since after day 1 i haven't accused him of being evil once. I've brought up 'why can we trust you once or twice, but that was so he would explain himself because 1) I didn't understand and 2) I knew others would think it and wanted him to seem innocent. Call it tough love if you will.

Night 3- In my state of mind for day 3 we almost killed Nae, someone I'm sure is evil. I'm betting money against myself that day 4 we lynch her good. So i figure i should inspect twitchy and confirm he's the second since I started having doubts (if you look back you'll notice that as well). He's also night killed that night and my viewing was completely worthless. Though when you came out and said the whole "i chose sboyd night 2 & twitchy the third night" bit in your post. i actually started cracking up since I had as well. But where I blundered you had planned and prepared. at least now we know why twitchy was night killed. Sboyd you probably left to be your "innocent anchor" in this =/

 

1) Hmmmm....what a strange coincidence that you claim to have viewed boyd and twitchy the same nights as me...huh...not too good on the imagination there, bucko?

 

Safir: "I admit, I thought Talya was innocent.  And Vems actions were strange so I thought I better check him out.  I didn't buy his story about having done poorly on his quiz/test.  That may have been true, but I thought it very weird that he would express his anger so."

I have pics now to prove myself^^ take that!

 

2) I misworded my post, i meant that I didn't buy that that was the reason for your hissy fits!  Apparantly I was wrong.  ::)

 

Still reading...

[Naeann]

Ok Vemy I read your case for innocence and will add what I think.

 

I didn't want to air my thoughts but.... after I read the whole thread up to my entrance as Calyn's replacement I stated that I changed my vote three times.  Sadly we KNOW that two were innocent now.  But my first choice was Vem.  I then stopped and reread and  by that time he had posted the rules for me.  In reading those I had suspicions that he was the sheriff.  His were the only posts I saw continually trying to sway votes. My doubts on that were I know what I am but he was still accusing me and Twitchy... finding a little later that Twitchy was innocent. No one else fit the criteria I would (as a newbie) consider a sheriff role should have.  Safir certainly hasn't been tying to pull the votes one way or another til his announcement out of the blue.  My first thought on that was he is also a newbie and it's likely Talya and/or the other evil put him up to it.  On my second thought on that... why did you bother?  Vemy or I were a sure lynch for "today" and you were still flying under the radar and now you are highly suspicious.  As it is 7am here and I was up til 2:30 I hope this make sense.

 

 

[Safir]

why bother, Nae?  Because, If we don't kill vem, he wins!  That simple!  Plus, I don't think you are an evil and would hate to lose the game! I seriously went up to my bathroom mirror and was arguing with myself before I made the choice to reveal.  The way Vem was going on, I was sure he was convincing you guys of his innocence.

 

And now he's claiming sherif.  He was more prepared than I was.  He's played BT games (more than 1? I think) and has had more experience.  I don't know what you want me to do to prove that I'm the Sherif.  I am a newb (I don't know about "like you"), this is my first game...EVER!  Don't know how many times I've said that.  Do you get it now that I had no idea what I was doing?

 

*takes an asprin*  sorry people.

[Safir]

Vem: I'm touched that you would take up so much time for us, really I am.  I'm trying to read it, but, knowing your guilty, it's almost hysterical to me.  You planned this whole thing out!  And your partner (if you have one anymore).  Congratulations.

 

Seeing as how you are probably the most convincing, as I be newb, lol, looks like you've won!  Great job!

 

Everyone, give Vemynal a big hand!  Seriously!  Good game!

[Naeann]

I don't know what you mean by (I don't know about "like you")  I believe I've stated more than once this is my first game and also first time even seeing one.  Let's not go on the defensive here.  It's just a game.

[Safir]

I don't know either...i'm still half asleep...

 

I know it's a game.  I'm trying to be a good sportsmanshiper or whatever.

[Safir]

I do think this will be my last game though

 

It's WAY too complicated for my brain.  lol.

 

Plus, it brings out my ugly side, like just previously, which I hate!

[Leelou]

I just want to know if you knew vehm was guilty from day one, why did you vote for Boyd?

[Safir]

What?  No, I knew Vem was guilty from Night 1, not Day 1.  And I don't remember voting Boyd Day 1....I believe my first ever vote was on Vemynal, Day 2...

 

maybe I missed it though?  could you find me a quote?

[Leelou]

I'm here!  Im going to [glow=red,2,300]unvote Vem[/glow], and [glow=red,2,300]vote Boyd[/glow]

[Safir]

Thank you.  It was mostly to throw Vem off of me.  Like I mentioned before, I was nervous and didn't like the idea of being night killed.  Plus it was Day 2 and I didn't know Boyd's alignment and we were voting for one of the regulars (mostly).  Also, I thought Talya innocent.  Oops.

[Leelou]

Yes but if you knew Vehm was guilty from that night, why did you switch your vote and not try to convince us to vote for vehm?

[Safir]

The last think I wanted to do was draw attention to myself like that.  Then if we ended up lynching someone else, I would have been Night Killed, then Vemy would have had some clever thing ready, like: "The murderers are setting me up"  And my death would have done no good to anyone.

 

That's how I saw it, anyways.

[Leelou]

You were the only person who did not vote on day three, why?

[SBoydW]

I want everyone to fully understand that I know the risk of what I am about to do.  If anyone follows along with me on this vote and we are wrong, we lose the game.

 

Safir: I think that there are just to many mistakes in what you have posted.  I know you're a newbie to the game but looking back it seems to me that you made up a story and posted it, but everything  wasn;t right and now you're back peddling trying to cover the mistakes you made.  I do not believe you are the real finder.

 

Vemy:  That was a very convincing case.  Due to my suspiciousness of you being evil there were several points that you brought out that I had missed.

 

I vote [glow=red,2,300]Safir[/glow]

[Safir]

Well...I can't say that I didn't see this coming.

 

Might as well place my vote, for the record.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vemynal[/glow]

[Vemynal]

Safir, read the post. I addressed *Your* pretending to view the same people as I *DID* near the top of my post:

"He's also night killed that night and my viewing was completely worthless. Though when you came out and said the whole "i chose sboyd night 2 & twitchy the third night" bit in your post. i actually started cracking up since I had as well. But where I blundered you had planned and prepared. at least now we know why twitchy was night killed. Sboyd you probably left to be your "innocent anchor" in this =/"

 

Nae to Safir:  "My first thought on that was he is also a newbie and it's likely Talya and/or the other evil put him up to it.  On my second thought on that... why did you bother?  Vemy or I were a sure lynch for "today" and you were still flying under the radar and now you are highly suspicious.  As it is 7am here and I was up til 2:30 I hope this make sense."

 

Safir claims in his next post: "The way Vem was going on, I was sure he was convincing you guys of his innocence."

 

Obviously the murderer's were worried that they might not be able to lynch me today and decided to come out as the finder like in my case I expressed they might. He couldn't go after you Nae because after Jackdaw was all "vem's evil, vem's evil, vem's evil!" everyone pretty much stopped looking at you nae. and the odds of my lynch rose dramatically. Sboyd even tried to unvote and vote for me.

 

Me & leelou to Safir: "I just want to know if you knew vehm was guilty from day one, why did you vote for Boyd?"

Safir: "It was mostly to throw Vem off of me.  Like I mentioned before, I was nervous and didn't like the idea of being night killed.  Plus it was Day 2 and I didn't know Boyd's alignment and we were voting for one of the regulars (mostly).  Also, I thought Talya innocent.  Oops."

shenanigans! Officer Barbrady I call shenanigans! leelou, you had voted for sboyd by this time. Remember what happened on day 3 when Thorum voted jackdaw and then nae, then you, then boyd, then I pilled on? It was at the end of a very long day where people were having difficulty getting full support to lynch someone. Then we all pilled on someone completely opposite. I think that's what he was trying to pull there.

 

 

edit: Safir, no worries, i want to win this game for the innocents but I still play fair. When you and me voted for each other and thorum voted me I did a vote update and put 2 on myself.

 

Safir(2): Vemynal, sboyd,

Vemynal(2): Safir, Thorum

 

with 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

 

non-voters are: Nae & leelou.

[Safir]

Oh, just one last thing:

 

Doesn't anyone else think it's strange that Vemynal posts who he "revealed" and everything is exactly the same except for him viewing Talya on Night 1?

 

Oh, and this was AFTER I revealed and posted who I had viewed, let's not forget.

 

EDIT: Anyways, just wondering if I'm alone out here.  Probably.

 

 

[Leelou]

Vote [glow=red,2,300]Safir[/glow]